I don't want to make Confirmation

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I’m happy to hear you followed through. My second daughter didn’t want to be Confirmed at one point too. She had lots of doubts and even picked St. Joseph as the patron saint of doubters as her Confirmation saint. In the end we went through the Creed together and she felt that she did believe the “big” things and did get Confirmed. Fast forward five years now and she is in college and very happy she was Confirmed. She said she felt confident the gifts of the Spirit has helped her. She attends Mass regularly and practices the faith.

Think more about it and continue to go to the classes if possible. You never know how you might feel when the time comes. There are so many hard decisions to make the teen years, I don’t envy you at all.
 
Good for you for meeting with the priest. That’s a good sign of maturity.

I would still highly encourage you to learn your faith and the majesty and beauty of it. People literally were fed to lions, crucified or burned alive for the faith, and those people went willingly to their violent deaths because of the majesty and truth of the faith.

I would encourage you not to just throw away such a precious gift.

God bless!
 
Well, we had the meeting with the pastor last week.
I can’t say I agree with your reasoning for not getting confirmed, but I have to admit that it’s cool that you were willing to sit down with your pastor and talk about it. 👍
I just can’t be a godparent.
If there’s one big take-away from this meeting, make sure you remember that one. Years from now, somebody – a friend, a sibling, a cousin, a relative of your wife – is gonna want you to be the godfather to their baby. You’re gonna want it then, too – since it’s a good thing, and it’s something that says that those parents think you’re exactly the right kind of person who will be a good role model for their child. But, when the parish says, “I’m sorry, you’re not confirmed; you can’t be a godfather,” please remember what your pastor told you. Don’t claim that you were never told this; don’t holler about how unfair the Church is and how it’s only about ‘rules’. Just remember that, in order to be a good role model for a Catholic child, you have to be able to demonstrate that you follow the Church’s teachings.

(And yeah, I’ve had this discussion with many who have come to my parish, wanting to be a godparent, but who got all ticked off when they were reminded that they weren’t confirmed (or married in the Church) and therefore couldn’t be a godparent. Those are never fun discussions…)
 
I am wondering about one thing. Are there any churches where you have to be confirmed to be married? When my parents and I had the meeting with our pastor, he said you could still be married in the Catholic Church if you are not confirmed. You just can’t be a godparent. I don’t know if he just meant at our church or everywhere. This is something that I could be thinking about 10 or 15 years from now. Honestly, if it were my decision though, I would rather just be married by a justice of the peace. I don’t want to have to go through all that Pre Cana [edited].
 
I am wondering about one thing. Are there any churches where you have to be confirmed to be married? When my parents and I had the meeting with our pastor, he said you could still be married in the Catholic Church if you are not confirmed. You just can’t be a godparent. I don’t know if he just meant at our church or everywhere. This is something that I could be thinking about 10 or 15 years from now. Honestly, if it were my decision though, I would rather just be married by a justice of the peace. I don’t want to have to go through all that Pre Cana [edited].
Most dioceses require one person to be a confirmed Catholic. My husband was no religion when we married. We married in the Church but couldn’t have a mass (husband couldn’t receive communion). He also didn’t want to go through that “pre cana garbage.” OP, don’t feel like the choice you are making now is Unbreakable and lifelong. My husband is now is very faithful Catholic, despite an earlier attitude very similair to yours. God bless.
 
Believe me, this is lifelong and unbreakable. In fact, if I ever have a family, my number one goal is to raise my kids with no religious upbringing at all, No baptism, no church, no religious education, nothing. That is just to show my parents how stupid and pointless all that religion and church [edited] is.
 
Believe me, this is lifelong and unbreakable. In fact, if I ever have a family, my number one goal is to raise my kids with no religious upbringing at all, No baptism, no church, no religious education, nothing. That is just to show my parents how stupid and pointless all that religion and church [edited] is.
Your reason for raising children without religion is just to spite your parents? Really?

You’ve got a lot of growing up to do.
 
Believe me, this is lifelong and unbreakable. In fact, if I ever have a family, my number one goal is to raise my kids with no religious upbringing at all, No baptism, no church, no religious education, nothing. That is just to show my parents how stupid and pointless all that religion and church [edited] is.
Do you have any idea what it means to be raised with no religious upbringing? Because I do - I was raised without religion and without faith. I’m not sure words are adequate to really explain the difference between my life before I found my faith and my life after, but I can tell you, my faith has only helped me. I am stronger and happier and better because I was told I was allowed to have a faith. I was told there is someone who loves me for who I am, even with my flaws and weaknesses, and whose love is endless and unconditional. I don’t think I really knew what love was until I found faith - I never understood I could be loved without having to earn it.

When I read your posts, I am often reminded of advice I was given once - when faced with a decision, be sure to ACT and not REACT. Acting is making a deliberate choice based on forethought and consideration and information. Reacting is simply acting instinctively based on circumstances. I think that sometimes, especially when we are making that transition from teenager to adult, that we are so convinced that we need to show everyone that we know how to run our own lives that we take a position and hold it steadfast. When I read your posts, you speak in absolutes - I will do this, I don’t want that. You are really REACTING and not ACTING based on your current circumstances.

Have you given yourself permission to be confused and unsure and just admit that maybe you don’t know exactly what to do? Sometimes we need that in our lives - we need a chance to say, “I need time to work this out,” and then go take the steps needed work it out. Figure out the root cause of what you are feeling and how to address it. Then ACT.
 
Most dioceses require one person to be a confirmed Catholic.
No, this is not true. In order for a priest or deacon to perform a marriage ceremony, one of the spouses must be Catholic – but being a Catholic who has received the sacrament of confirmation is not a requirement (although it’s something that is to be done if it can be done “without grave inconvenience”).
My husband was no religion when we married. We married in the Church but couldn’t have a mass (husband couldn’t receive communion).
The fact that one spouse is unable to receive communion is not the reason that a Mass wasn’t a possibility for you. The reason was that he was unbaptized; the marriage of a Catholic and an unbaptized person must be a wedding service (not a nuptial Mass). It is possible for a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic Christian to have a wedding Mass, even though the non-Catholic is unable to receive communion.

Sorry for nit-picking, but it’s important to represent accurately what the Church teaches and does. 😉
 
I am wondering about one thing. Are there any churches where you have to be confirmed to be married? When my parents and I had the meeting with our pastor, he said you could still be married in the Catholic Church if you are not confirmed. You just can’t be a godparent. I don’t know if he just meant at our church or everywhere.
No, he meant “in the Catholic Church”, not just “in this parish.”

Lack of confirmation does not disqualify you from being married in the Church – although a conscientious pastor will attempt to find out whether it’s a possibility for you.
 
Believe me, this is lifelong and unbreakable. In fact, if I ever have a family, my number one goal is to raise my kids with no religious upbringing at all, No baptism, no church, no religious education, nothing. That is just to show my parents how stupid and pointless all that religion and church [edited] is.
As the mother of five, four teens so far, I have heard all that before. Time will tell. I will continue to pray for you, and your parents. I often wonder how you are dealing with your pending adulthood. It is abundantly clear that you are scared and you are taking it out on those who love you the most. That includes both your parents and the church. Don’t worry, your parents and God will still love you. Growing up is really hard on all.
 
No, this is not true. In order for a priest or deacon to perform a marriage ceremony, one of the spouses must be Catholic – but being a Catholic who has received the sacrament of confirmation is not a requirement (although it’s something that is to be done if it can be done “without grave inconvenience”).

The fact that one spouse is unable to receive communion is not the reason that a Mass wasn’t a possibility for you. The reason was that he was unbaptized; the marriage of a Catholic and an unbaptized person must be a wedding service (not a nuptial Mass). It is possible for a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic Christian to have a wedding Mass, even though the non-Catholic is unable to receive communion.

Sorry for nit-picking, but it’s important to represent accurately what the Church teaches and does. 😉
Well, I had to give proof of my confirmation plus two character witnesses, both who were present at my confirmation.

From what I understand, every diocese has different requirements.

And, yes, it wasn’t my husband’s lack of communion- it was his lack of all sacrament that prevented a mass. I misspoke. 😊
 
Well, I had to give proof of my confirmation plus two character witnesses, both who were present at my confirmation.
Perhaps your confirmation wasn’t recorded in your baptismal register?

And, the ‘two character witnesses’ sounds like “freedom to marry” paperwork.
From what I understand, every diocese has different requirements.
To be precise, every diocese might have its particular way of implementing the requirements… but the requirements do not vary from diocese to diocese.

(For instance, in my diocese, it’s sufficient to conduct the ‘freedom to marry’ questionnaire over the phone. In other dioceses, a priest must witness the person signing the questionnaire in person, and then send it to to his diocesan chancery (for them to seal and forward back to the originating diocese). The requirements are the same – receipt of an affidavit of freedom to marry – but the processes implemented differ.)
 
I am wondering about one thing. Are there any churches where you have to be confirmed to be married? When my parents and I had the meeting with our pastor, he said you could still be married in the Catholic Church if you are not confirmed. You just can’t be a godparent. I don’t know if he just meant at our church or everywhere. This is something that I could be thinking about 10 or 15 years from now. Honestly, if it were my decision though, I would rather just be married by a justice of the peace. I don’t want to have to go through all that Pre Cana [edited].
Well then you’re definitely not ready for marriage then. Marriage is work, sometimes hard work. And if you’re unwilling to spend a couple weeks or weekends (at a comfortable conference room or retreat center with snacks and meals) working on preparation for your marriage, then you’re going to have serious troubles in your marriage.
 
Believe me, this is lifelong and unbreakable. In fact, if I ever have a family, my number one goal is to raise my kids with no religious upbringing at all, No baptism, no church, no religious education, nothing. That is just to show my parents how stupid and pointless all that religion and church [edited] is.
You’re going to raise your children and build a family based on a level of spite and anger towards your parents?

Really?!?!

I realize you are young and the emotions and thinking of teenagers is confusing and muddled, but really, that’s a ridiculous assertion.

The funny thing is, when we begin to grow up, and have to start dealing with actual life problems, and run into hardships, we start to understand what our parents were going through. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to have to hear someone scream and yell at someone, calling them stupid and every name in the book, all while living under YOUR roof and being protected from the harsh realities of life?

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.” - Mark Twain
 
Hello. I don’t know if this is the right site to discuss this or not. I am almost 16. I was raised Catholic and am a sophomore at a Catholic High School. Before that, I was in public school. I am supposed to be confirmed in October. I don’t want to go through with it. I just don’t believe in Catholicism. I wouldn’t say I’m an atheist. I do believe in God. I just don’t believe in organized religion. My mother mentioned my confirmation to me a few days ago. How do I tell her I don’t want to go through with it? I know that this is going to cause a big argument. I have been dragged to church every Sunday since I was 4, which I hate. My parents know I hate it, but don’t care.
Were I you, I would expect to have to go through the classes, realizing that it will be up to me and me alone whether or not I ever actually finish the sacraments of initiation into the Catholic Church. It’s right there with having to take math classes and English classes and getting ready for college. Nobody can make you succeed in college, but your parents have a duty to give you the opportunity.

My general rule is that while my children alone could decide whether or not they would be confirmed–this is not my rule, but the rule of the Church, and I would not have had the power to overrule it if I had wanted to–but it was their obligation to go through classes preparing them for confirmation. Why? Because most of us have a lazy streak, and we’ll lower our principles so as not to inconvenience it. As a parent, it is my duty to see that my children have the opportunity to practice the faith. I may not allow them to avoid opportunities they ought to have because they are too lazy to work for them and I am too lazy or too soft-hearted to force them to do what it is their duty to do. (As Catholics, those of us who are believers have a positive duty to seek the sacraments of initiation for ourselves and for our children.)

For instance, there are a lot of reasons to hate church. Not wanting to give up any time pleasing ourselves for the purpose of learning how to do well by others, from the least to the greatest? That’s a poor reason. It is a lazy reason. It is a self-centered reason. It may not be your reason, but it is the reason that most 4 year olds have to not like church. Four year olds want to be doing what* they *like all of the time. In the defense of the 4 year old, he or she usually does not see the good that can come from what is taught at church. That person is too young to understand the concept of having a duty towards God or neighbor. Most either like church because it happens to please or dislikes church because it doesn’t happen to please, and that’s that.

I am going to question your assertion that you “believe in God” but do not “believe” in “organized” religion. The question this naturally brings up is a) if no one told you about God, how do you define this Being you believe in and b) what, if anything, does this “belief” demand of you? When you say you believe there is a Divine Being but do not sign on for any formulaic definition of what that means or implies, you do have to hold yourself to definition that is real and actually makes God the one who is worshiped and served and the “believer” into the one who worships and serves, and not the other way around.

I mean this:* You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble*. (James 2:19)

Now, I do believe that what the Church teaches is in fact correct, so in that sense I do believe it is objectively incorrect to dismiss what the Church teaches as anything other than factual. Having said that, you have learned during your schooling to ask questions about all the facts you’ve ever learned. Everyone in our times has. This is so you will not just repeat the facts back like a parrot who can make the right sounds and yet has no understanding. In that sense, questioning is far better than “belief” that is merely parrot talk.

What I will caution you is this: Do not believe the parrot talk of the self-religious, either, and do not believe every motto that comes out of your own head. Question your own definitions of who God is and what a relationship with your Maker demands of you just as strenuously as you have questioned everyone else’s definition of God. Don’t just question the “organized” definitions. Question the “informal” ones, too. Otherwise, you will find yourself in a very sloppy sort of “belief” that will not amount to anything because it will not guide you, will not challenge you, and will not do anything for you or anyone else except allow you to do whatever you want to please yourself as if you were an atheist. Well, if it quacks like an atheist and walks like an atheist and does not one more iota in the service of God than an atheist, it is just like an atheist, except with some comfortable self-conning added in for the sake of the warm fuzzy self-congratulations.

Take the classes with an open mind. If you honestly decide you cannot in good conscience ask your bishop to confer the sacrament of Confirmation on you when you have finished, you will have done your duty. Your parents will not be able to force you to be confirmed. Neither your pastor nor your bishop will allow it, because it must be your decision. Once you have gone through the preparation, however, your parents will not have much to do to force the issue later. You will have done your part.
 
Believe me, this is lifelong and unbreakable. In fact, if I ever have a family, my number one goal is to raise my kids with no religious upbringing at all, No baptism, no church, no religious education, nothing. That is just to show my parents how stupid and pointless all that religion and church [edited] is.
What is that supposed to “show” your parents, exactly? :rolleyes:

Your parents brought you up in the hope that you would believe just what they do, and probably what their parents taught them and their parents’ parents taught them before that. They are attempting to hand on a religious patrimony, albeit not in a way that worked very well with you. You are planning to bring your children up to believe just what you do, but not what their grandparents did. You will have proven exactly nothing. Well, if it is really your “number one goal,” you will have shown you are one champion at holding a grudge. That’s about it, though. No one is going to hold you up as some paragon of the religious-but-not-affiliated, because that chip on your shoulder is such a huge confounding variable.

I’d give about 50-50 odds that your children will choose a religion to practice as a way to get out from under that oppressive hatred of religion that they grew up with.

Don’t believe me? William J. Murray III, son of the unfortunate Madalyn Murray O’Hair, is only one of the most famous examples. Others are far less shocking and usually far less contentious, but run along similar lines. Let’s just say that what you’re feeling right now is a train that does run in both directions. Don’t tell yourself that it can’t, OK?
 
I lapsed before confirmation, similar to the path you are contemplating. So, if anything, I’m on your side. I do hope it is ok to offer the advice that using words like [edited] regarding any other folks religion is not a good way to win hearts and minds.

I’m right now trying to decide how to teach a moral code to my own daughter. Would you please share, for my benefit, what led to your current disdain with organized religion? My apologies if you already have - I got through page 4 and tl;dr’ed.

Speaking of hearts and minds, everyone here castigating the OP regarding her maturity level are not sowing anything good either. My hope/prayer for y’all is that you aren’t being fitted with millstones for driving away a child. This isn’t intended toward those of you simply suggesting amicable compromise.
 
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