I enjoy the Novus Ordo Mass ...

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XtusVictor said:
Your post illustrates why we should not use the language of “NO” Mass. It is properly either the mass of Paul VI or the OF. Please lets get past this ideologized language.
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While I understand where you’re coming from, Novus Ordo literally means “New Order”. The Mass of Paul VI is 40 years old, while the Mass of Pius V is 500. I do not see how calling the Pauline Mass “Novus Ordo” can be offensive. It in no way means to be offensive. In fact, my diocesan bishop wrote a letter back to me recently and he referred to the Ordinary Form as the Novus Ordo.
 
BritishCatholic said:
While I understand where you’re coming from, Novus Ordo literally means “New Order”. The Mass of Paul VI is 40 years old, while the Mass of Pius V is 500. I do not see how calling the Pauline Mass “Novus Ordo” can be offensive. It in no way means to be offensive. In fact, my diocesan bishop wrote a letter back to me recently and he referred to the Ordinary Form as the Novus Ordo.
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Well, it is a term popularized by its opponents for one thing. And the expression NO Mass is code for “no mass.” As with other masses it ought to bear the name of the pope our council which formulated it or it should bear the name that the pope has used for it, OF.
 
XtusVictor said:
Your post illustrates why we should not use the language of “NO” Mass. It is properly either the mass of Paul VI or the OF. Please lets get past this ideologized language.
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I don’t think that will solve the problem though.

In music there is a clear distinction between a composition and a performance of it and the quality of each - a poor composition can be given a stellar performance and a brilliant composition an execrable one.

The term NO (or OF or whatever) to me means the “composition” and the composition is not at fault for poor performances (unless manifestly unsuited to the kinds of performers it will likely be given to - too complex, too technically demanding, too risky, whatever).

A lot of others seem to think the same way, given their reactions to folks who blast “the NO” and all who attend it when it’s clear that what is under attack is a bad performance, or the attacker is blaming the composition for the performance, or is uncapable of separating the two in his/her mind.

We don’t seem to have a term for the “performance” as distinct from the “composition” and I don’t see how using “Pauline Mass” or “the OF” will fix that.
 
Guitar said:
I don’t think that will solve the problem though.

In music there is a clear distinction between a composition and a performance of it and the quality of each - a poor composition can be given a stellar performance and a brilliant composition an execrable one.

The term NO (or OF or whatever) to me means the “composition” and the composition is not at fault for poor performances (unless manifestly unsuited to the kinds of performers it will likely be given to - too complex, too technically demanding, too risky, whatever).

A lot of others seem to think the same way, given their reactions to folks who blast “the NO” and all who attend it when it’s clear that what is under attack is a bad performance, or the attacker is blaming the composition for the performance, or is uncapable of separating the two in his/her mind.

We don’t seem to have a term for the “performance” as distinct from the “composition” and I don’t see how using “Pauline Mass” or “the OF” will fix that.
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Well, you and I are in agreement on that. I just find that most ppl who use the term NO Mass blame the composition for the performance.
 
benedictgal said:
When I was driving to College Station (business trip), I heard Fleetwood Mac’s “Tusk”. It dawned on me that “They’ll Know We are Christians” sounds exactly like that song. You could even sing “They’ll Know…” to the beat of “Tusk”, as the rhythm is virtually the same.
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Benedictgal, I wouldn’t go too far down that path. You might scare yourself to death. :eek:

There are a lot of totally unrelated bits of music with common underlying structures that can be superimposed with or without a bit of tweaking. This in itself isn’t a measure of quality or indication of “native genre”. It simply means that Western music has conventions.

I often joke at weddings that we’ve been asked to play “Bach’s slip jig in G”. (“Jesu, Joy”) Nothing sacred about slip jigs, they’re more at home in the pub or at the feis.

Any text with an 86.86 metre can be sung to The Animal’s “House of the Rising Sun” … Amazing Grace … O God, We Give Ourselves Today … Come Holy Ghost, Creator, Come!

I could go on …

😛

(That said, I was refusing to sing/play TKWACBOL even when I was about 12 years of age, which was probably just a smidgeon after its heyday.)
 
Guitar said:
Benedictgal, I wouldn’t go too far down that path. You might scare yourself to death. :eek:

There are a lot of totally unrelated bits of music with common underlying structures that can be superimposed with or without a bit of tweaking. This in itself isn’t a measure of quality or genre. It simply means that Western music has conventions.

Any text with an 86.86 metre, for example, can be sung to The Animal’s “House of the Rising Sun” … Amazing Grace … O God, We Give Ourselves Today … Come Holy Ghost, Creator, Come!

😛

(That said, I was refusing to sing/play TKWACBOL even when I was about 12 years of age, which was probably just a smidgeon after its heyday.)
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It is old news that you can sing Amazing Grace to the tune of Gilligan’s Isle. So I tried Come Holy Ghost and it can be done with a bit of effort… coming soon to a mass near you;)
 
XtusVictor said:
It is old news that you can sing Amazing Grace to the tune of Gilligan’s Isle. So I tried Come Holy Ghost and it can be done with a bit of effort… coming soon to a mass near you;)
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Only tangentially related, you can with a little effort, sing the Ukrainian National Anthem to ***“I Think I Love You” ***by the Partridge Family. I would advise against it, unless you yourself are Ukrainian, though!
 
PatienceAndLove said:
I am praying that DH gets into UNL Law, I so want to experience and truly truly reverent OF.
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Well, the St. Thomas Aquinas Newman Center at UN-L is a hotbed of…reverent Masses and dynamic and thoroughly orthodox faith life for students.

Now, we’ll have to convert you from being (I presume) Penn State fans to Husker fans, but that’s for another thread…🙂
 
Only tangentially related, you can with a little effort, sing the Ukrainian National Anthem to “I Think I Love You” by the Partridge Family. I would advise against it, unless you yourself are Ukrainian, though!
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Our chorus was lucky enough to discover this past semester that “Glory and Priase to Our God” is simply a slower version of “Piano Man”!
 
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