I got a Protestant bible for my birthday.

[MarianCatholic]

If you don’t feel comfortable burning a Bible, even though it is heretical one, that’s fine. But you should at least keep it from passing into somebody else’s hands, and bury it. It is a sin for Catholics to read Protestant literature or to circulate it. The only time we as Catholics are permitted to read anything Protestant is when we are doing some necessary research. In fact, Catholics are prohibited from having heretical literature in their homes; if they keep heretical books in their home for more than 30 days after being aware that it is prohibited in the home under pain of excommunication, then they get automatically excommunicated. This is the traditional teaching of the Church. God bless you.

Ok, is this still the official teaching even after V2?
If that’s so I find it really strange that The Catholic Church in my country cooperates with the biggest Lutheran bible manufacture nationwide.
But then again the bibles they produce has been well known as good translations by everyone, and I mean everyone. Even the orthodox use it so if one look past the missing books Im pretty sure it’s a more than acceptable bible to use.

I think that with the blessings of several of our bishops Im good to go when it comes to reading it
Also I think it’s used in the Holy Mass as well.
Mhm, Ready can you be a lamb and show me any link to the canon law you’re referring to?

Yours in Jesus and Mary
-MarianCatholic

 

[ready]

If you don’t feel comfortable burning a Bible, even though it is heretical one, that’s fine. But you should at least keep it from passing into somebody else’s hands, and bury it. It is a sin for Catholics to read Protestant literature or to circulate it. The only time we as Catholics are permitted to read anything Protestant is when we are doing some necessary research. In fact, Catholics are prohibited from having heretical literature in their homes; if they keep heretical books in their home for more than 30 days after being aware that it is prohibited in the home under pain of excommunication, then they get automatically excommunicated. This is the traditional teaching of the Church. God bless you.

To all those who have responded to my other post,

I forgot to add that a person is only permitted to have heretical books in his library for the purpose of research and with special permission of his Bishop. I am a traditional Catholic, so I take seriously the traditional teaching of the Church. A very learned traditional priest told me about the automatic excommunication incurred by keeping heretical books after 30days in ones home. I can ask him for his source and get back to you. About V2 – who knows – I only know that that council must be examined. Please let us not go off topic and discuss V2 – I will not discuss that Council on this thread. I have given you the traditional teaching of the Church, and will try to find the source of this information for you from my priest. God bless you.

 

[agnes_therese]

You can’t read it. Bury it or burn it, don’t let it get into anyone else’s hands. You should purchase St. Jerome’s translation of the Bible, the Douay-Rheims Bible. God bless you.

While the D-R may be your preference, it’s not the only Catholic Bible. Catholics are free to choose others.

 

[agnes_therese]

A very learned traditional priest told me about the automatic excommunication incurred by keeping heretical books after 30days in ones home. I can ask him for his source and get back to you.

Please do. That does not sound credible, and is not included in the list from canon law given here:
catholic.com/quickquestions/apart-from-abortion-are-there-other-sins-that-incur-automatic-excommunication
It would also make it impossible for many Catholic scholars and educators to do their work.

 

[ready]

While the D-R may be your preference, it’s not the only Catholic Bible. Catholics are free to choose others.

The only reason it is my preference is because it is uncorrupted and safe to read. The Old English Douay-Rheims is the first translated Bible into English, translated by St. Jerome. The new version of the Douay-Rheims is the closest in translation to this Bible, and so this is the Bible translation that is best for Catholics to read, it was used in the holy Mass until V2. The later versions of the Bible have some bad translations and very bad footnotes, though they have been “approved” post-V2. People should do their souls the great favor of reading only the Douay-Rheims version of the Bible. God bless you.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

To all those who have responded to my other post,

I forgot to add that a person is only permitted to have heretical books in his library for the purpose of research and with special permission of his Bishop. I am a traditional Catholic, so I take seriously the traditional teaching of the Church. A very learned traditional priest told me about the automatic excommunication incurred by keeping heretical books after 30days in ones home. I can ask him for his source and get back to you. About V2 – who knows – I only know that that council must be examined. Please let us not go off topic and discuss V2 – I will not discuss that Council on this thread. I have given you the traditional teaching of the Church, and will try to find the source of this information for you from my priest. God bless you.

Most of us do. However, things such as when the legal penalty of excommunication are applied and similar are not matters of Chruch teaching, in the sense of unchangeable doctrine, but of Church discipline - rules made to govern the faithful at a particular time and in particular circumstances.

Traditional teachings and practices are awesome. But regardless of how much we like them, laws which no longer apply simply no longer apply. And if there is any current law such as you claim, my research fails to find it.

That is where my disagreement lies. You appear to be confusing teaching and law. Automatic excommunication and the like isn’t about doctrine or Vatican II, but is simply about which laws are in force and which aren’t - traditionalist or not, laws can and are changed. Teachings can never develop in a way that contradict past teachings, but such disciplinary laws can be made and discarded as the Church authorities see fit.

So absolutely, please ask for the source. But keep in mind that we’re talking about a mater of law, so if this source is a document from hundreds of years ago, then it may no longer apply, because while any Church teachings from hundreds of years ago are true forever, only current law applies now.

 

[ready]

Most of us do. However, things such as when the legal penalty of excommunication are applied and similar are not matters of Chruch teaching, in the sense of unchangeable doctrine, but of Church discipline - rules made to govern the faithful at a particular time and in particular circumstances.

Traditional teachings and practices are awesome. But regardless of how much we like them, laws which no longer apply simply no longer apply. And if there is any current law such as you claim, my research fails to find it.

That is where my disagreement lies. You appear to be confusing teaching and law. Automatic excommunication and the like isn’t about doctrine or Vatican II, but is simply about which laws are in force and which aren’t - traditionalist or not, laws can and are changed. Teachings can never develop in a way that contradict past teachings, but such disciplinary laws can be made and discarded as the Church authorities see fit.

So absolutely, please ask for the source. But keep in mind that we’re talking about a mater of law, so if this source is a document from hundreds of years ago, then it may no longer apply.

Yes, when I was referring to Church teaching I did not mean doctrinal teaching, I just meant what is taught via the Church’s disciplinary laws. I don’t doubt that the tradition which I speak of (which must have come from the 1917 Code of Canon Law) may have been effected by the new code of canon law instituted by JPII. But I am a traditionalist and adhere to the traditions before V2, this is why I specified in my post that what I was stating is traditional. God bless you.

 

[agnes_therese]

Yes, when I was referring to Church teaching I did not mean doctrinal teaching, I just meant what is taught via the Church’s disciplinary laws. I don’t doubt that the tradition which I speak of (which must have come from the 1917 Code of Canon Law) may have been effected by the new code of canon law instituted by JPII. But I am a traditionalist and adhere to the traditions before V2, this is why I specified in my post that what I was stating is traditional. God bless you.

You can certainly say “I wouldn’t have that junk in my house.” But to say possessing it incurs automatic excommunication, when that’s not the case, is not fair, just, or moral. I believe all three of those concepts are very “traditional.”

 

[Bradthecatholic]

The only reason it is my preference is because it is uncorrupted and safe to read. The Old English Douay-Rheims is the first translated Bible into English, translated by St. Jerome. The new version of the Douay-Rheims is the closest in translation to this Bible, and so this is the Bible translation that is best for Catholics to read, it was used in the holy Mass until V2. The later versions of the Bible have some bad translations and very bad footnotes, though they have been “approved” post-V2. People should do their souls the great favor of reading only the Douay-Rheims version of the Bible. God bless you.

Are you one of those Douay-Rheims onlyist? I’m sure it has some of it’s mistakes as all English Bibles do. Besides, the manuscripts the Latin Vulgate was translated from could have had errors. The KJV was translated from the Texctus Receptus and those manuscripts have a few extra verses that others don’t. So, the manuscripts that it translated from could have minor errors as well. Any manuscript could, even if it is in the original Greek. So The Douay-Rheims is not perfect. People who believe in Douay-Rheims onlyism only present the same arguments as those who believe in KJV onlyism.

 

[ready]

Are you one of those Douay-Rheims onlyist? I’m sure it has some of it’s mistakes as all English Bibles do. Besides, the manuscripts the Latin Vulgate was translated from could have had errors. The KJV was translated from the Texctus Receptus and those manuscripts have a few extra verses that others don’t. So, the manuscripts that it translated from could have minor errors as well. Any manuscript could, even if it is in the original Greek. So The Douay-Rheims is not perfect. People who believe in Douay-Rheims onlyism only present the same arguments as those who believe in KJV onlyism.

Because the Church before V2 used the Douay-Rheims in the holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and not any other translation, I read it with confidence. I trust the footnotes of the Douay-Rheims more than I do the later translations of the Bible because I have heard very bad things about the footnotes of newer translations. God bless you.

 

[ready]

You can certainly say “I wouldn’t have that junk in my house.” But to say possessing it incurs automatic excommunication, when that’s not the case, is not fair, just, or moral. I believe all three of those concepts are very “traditional.”

It is the case for me and for any other traditional Catholic who adheres to the traditions of the Church. I told you that what I said about heretical books is the* traditional *teaching of the Church, so I have done nothing immoral, unjust or unfair, like you say. I can not discuss this matter further in order to avoid breaking CAF rules. I will provide the source (probably canon law) for the info I have given, if the traditional priest I know gets back in touch with me. God bless you.

 

[agnes_therese]

It is the case for me and for any other traditional Catholic who adheres to the traditions of the Church. I told you that what I said about heretical books is the* traditional *teaching of the Church, so I have done nothing immoral, unjust or unfair, like you say. I can not discuss this matter further in order to avoid breaking CAF rules. I will provide the source (probably canon law) for the info I have given, if the traditional priest I know gets back in touch with me. God bless you.

But canon law isn’t a case of “for me.” Either it’s canon law or it’s not. And in this case, it’s not. It’s simply your opinion and preference. And you have every right to those; what you don’t have a right to do is to misrepresent current canon law. I’m sorry you feel that you should be able to do so.

 

[po18guy]

It Is a gift from a beloved family member, who gave it with a pure heart. Of course I would keep it and treasure it.

However.

The Deuterocanonical books have been used by Catholic and Orthodox since, oh, about 0033, give or take a few years. Despite what those outside of these ancient Churches say, they are defined as scripture. Period.

Of note: Lutheran theologian Jaroslav Pelikan saw such a connection between the Deuterocanonical books and Christianity that he included them along with the New Testament in his book on Christianity in the series on world religions.

The spoiler here is that he was also on the path to conversion to Orthodoxy, so those books were then necessary. Once receptive of the graces of the Sacraments, I am certain that he no longer considered them “apocrypha.”

The point remains that the Deuterocanon are clearly prophetic and anticipatory of Christ. They might be considered as the “missing link” between the Testaments.

 

[MarianCatholic]

But canon law isn’t a case of “for me.” Either it’s canon law or it’s not. And in this case, it’s not. It’s simply your opinion and preference. And you have every right to those; what you don’t have a right to do is to misrepresent current canon law. I’m sorry you feel that you should be able to do so.

This sceptisism/ hostility Towards the consil actually reminds me alot of the Le Febreists who also have huge issues accepting V2 and the church after St Pope JP2.
While they left our church and claim the holy chair is empty I am happy that others with similar issues stay faithful to Rome, but its important to bear in mind that if one gives advices to others one has to refer to either your own preferances or canon law or both.
To say something is canon law that isnt are indeed immoral and may even be heretical.

Yours in Jesus and Mary

• MarianCatholic

 

[ready]

When I say that it is the traditional teaching of the Church that keeping heretical books in ones home bears the penalty of excommunication, it is also because traditionally there was an Index of Forbidden Books issued by the Holy See, and keeping any of these books in ones home meant automatic excommunication. V2 may have done away with the Index, but these books are no less dangerous. It is a sin to read any literature contrary to the Catholic faith, that is, it is a sin to read heretical books that can endanger one’s Catholic faith. God bless you.

 

[JRRTFAN]

Read it. And supplement with Apocrypha if it floats your boat.

The LCMS recent put put a version with notes.

cph.org/p-19305-the-apocrypha-the-lutheran-edition-with-notes.aspx

No offence but whatever the LCMS published, unless it’s a repudiation of Protestantism, would be less than valuable to a Catholic. Acceptance or rejection of the Deuterocanon, the Apocrypha is a different set of books, is not a matter of floating one’s boat in the Church Christ founded. It’s a matter of infallible dogma. The concept of accepting what “floats your boat” as the summit of Christian thought and practice is precisely what gave us the LCMS and that communion’s separation from other Lutheran communities. Rather intellectually appalling actually.

 

[MarianCatholic]

When I say that it is the traditional teaching of the Church that keeping heretical books in ones home bears the penalty of excommunication, it is also because traditionally there was an Index of Forbidden Books issued by the Holy See, and keeping any of these books in ones home meant automatic excommunication. V2 may have done away with the Index, but these books are no less dangerous. ** It is a sin to read any literature contrary to the Catholic faith, that is, it is a sin to read heretical books that can endanger one’s Catholic faith. ** God bless you.

The bolded text I do agree with even though I don’t necessarily consider Protestantic bibles to qualify as such material that could endanger ones Catholic faith.

Yours in Jesus and Mary
-MarianCatholic

 

[NiceMarmot]

This sceptisism/ hostility Towards the consil actually reminds me alot of the Le Febreists who also have huge issues accepting V2 and the church after St Pope JP2.
While they left our church and claim the holy chair is empty I am happy that others with similar issues stay faithful to Rome, but its important to bear in mind that if one gives advices to others one has to refer to either your own preferances or canon law or both.
To say something is canon law that isnt are indeed immoral and may even be heretical.

Yours in Jesus and Mary

• MarianCatholic

You are mis-informed. Willfully passing along this mis-information about ‘LeFevbreists’ is bearing false witness. I do hope it is not willful.

They did not leave the church. They know that Pope Francis is the Pope.

That being said, the rest of your post is correct and I assume you are talking about the SSPX when using the term ‘LeFevbreists’.

 

[MarianCatholic]

You are mis-informed. Willfully passing along this mis-information about ‘LeFevbreists’ is bearing false witness. I do hope it is not willful.

They did not leave the church. They know that Pope Francis is the Pope.

That being said, the rest of your post is correct and I assume you are talking about the SSPX when using the term ‘LeFevbreists’.

Yes my fault, I was indeed talking about SSPX.
Thanks for clarifying my post I, It wasn’t my intention at all to lie.
Again sorry it was an honest mistake

Yours in Jesus and Mary
-MarianCatholic

 

[NiceMarmot]

Yes my fault, I was indeed talking about SSPX.
Thanks for clarifying my post I, It wasn’t my intention at all to lie.
Again sorry it was an honest mistake

Yours in Jesus and Mary
-MarianCatholic

Quite all right! Thank you for the acknowledgement…
I am not an SSPX’er, but do symathise with them and pray for the Holy Ghost to work through the church and have the barriers that keep us apart to be torn down!