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I’m very angry. It’s 1:20 AM and outside of my building I hear drunk kids frolicking in their own stupidity. My room mates all got drunk earlier this evening and thankfully left. Unfortunately they left their God-awful rap music playing, and the reason they left was to get more drunk and “hook-up” with women. This place is like hell and I feel beyond isolated. I refuse to partake in the progressive cultural filth that goes on here. I go to a somewhat prestigious University and am pursuing a career in science and dentistry. The cultural idiocy that takes place here is incredibly distracting. Whether it’s the vast encouragement of sexual promiscuity, indulgence, or secularism, there is always some sort of campus event that any Christian should vehemently object. But there is absolutely no human being on this God forsaken campus that has the courage to live their convictions. None. Everyone on campus fits neatly into 1 of 2 categories. Either they partake in whatever they can to make themselves feel pleasured (hedonists), or they don’t partake themselves but possess the post-modern attitude that such actions are acceptable and not contrary to morality. American Universities are pure evil, that’s what I’ve learned these past 2 years. I feel very very very angry. I’ve never felt so alone.
 
I’m . American Universities are pure evil, that’s what I’ve learned these past 2 years. I feel very very very angry. I’ve never felt so alone.
I too would feel angry if my money were going to support this, but don’t judge all schools by this one, and all dorms by this one. Okay you are angry. What are you going to do with that energy? How are you going to change the situation? Staying where you are means approval. you alone have the power to move, change your living situation or even change schools if necessary.
 
There is probably a Cardinal Newman Center near you. Look it up. Go there. Pray. Be reconciled. Experience peace. If not a Newman center, then a nearby parish. It’s important that you feel peace, as our Lord left His peace with us. Been to Adoration? If not, why not?

Try reading a copy of Fr. Jacques Philippe’s Searching for and Maintaining Peace. It is a 110 page book that can change your life - and it certainly sounds like you need a change.

Christ’s peace be with you.
 
I think finding a Newman center would be good, because that would give you a trusted anchor.

But why would you wish that God takes you out of that situation? Would you prefer living among saints? A visit, for real or by imagination, with a saint can help us gain perspective, but don’t we want God to use us for something of His purpose? If yes, then my question is, “are you restricting God to only give you challenges that don’t take you out of your comfort zone?”

Jesus hung around people that are just like the ones you describe. He loved them unconditionally, forgave their sins, and yes, ministered to their needs. He accepted it when they offered kind words and actions to Him.

If you ask God to put you into situations with only like minded people, then what goud is having your own mind except to add one more voice to a unison?

You can say, “but there isn’t any light; I am walking in darkness here, and I don’t like darkness.”

Hello? Has God not put you there? If you’re Catholic, are you not willing to be that light? What hope do those kids have, if you won’t let God place you among them?

Sometimes I think we believe that God only has pristine assignments for us, conducted in a comfortable environment, free from people who aren’t like we wish they were.

You can spend your time longing for God to deliver you from these people. Maybe you have something to offer them that God wants you to give them. Maybe you can learn something from being with them and showing them God’s love, that God wants to teach you. What did Jesus do to sinners? He ate with them, healed them, and washed their feet.

Alan
 
Had exactly the same problem and reaction as you in the past. At a supposedly ‘Catholic’ college.

My great sympathies to you.

Pray and don’t let yourself be swallowed up in the troubles around you. Keep with the God in spiritual reading and prayer and Holy Mass.
 
I think finding a Newman center would be good, because that would give you a trusted anchor.

But why would you wish that God takes you out of that situation? Would you prefer living among saints? A visit, for real or by imagination, with a saint can help us gain perspective, but don’t we want God to use us for something of His purpose? If yes, then my question is, “are you restricting God to only give you challenges that don’t take you out of your comfort zone?”

Jesus hung around people that are just like the ones you describe. He loved them unconditionally, forgave their sins, and yes, ministered to their needs. He accepted it when they offered kind words and actions to Him.

If you ask God to put you into situations with only like minded people, then what goud is having your own mind except to add one more voice to a unison?

You can say, “but there isn’t any light; I am walking in darkness here, and I don’t like darkness.”

Hello? Has God not put you there? If you’re Catholic, are you not willing to be that light? What hope do those kids have, if you won’t let God place you among them?

Sometimes I think we believe that God only has pristine assignments for us, conducted in a comfortable environment, free from people who aren’t like we wish they were.

You can spend your time longing for God to deliver you from these people. Maybe you have something to offer them that God wants you to give them. Maybe you can learn something from being with them and showing them God’s love, that God wants to teach you. What did Jesus do to sinners? He ate with them, healed them, and washed their feet.

Alan
Well said, I’m walking through another kind of darkness at the moment, and I can’t tell you how much I needed to hear that. Thank you, great wisdom.
 
You know, it occurs to me that life in general is more of the same. Maybe a little better because your living environment can be a sanctuary of peace and more private.

Maybe the forms of sin and unholiness change, but often not.

So, here’s your opportunity to be a saint.

If you’re a judgmental sourpuss towards others, you will not attract them to Christ.

How are you going to pick off souls for Christ?

Someone is going to be miserable, sometime, with that lifestyle. Go, find the miserable person, and shine compassion and speak gently.

Grab your nets…let’s go fishing. 👍
 
I was in the exact same situation when I was your age. I went to a Catholic college. Even the Christian bible bangers went out drinking Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. I honestly felt like I was the only one not sleeping around, smoking pot, and getting drunk every weekend. I was miserable in college the entire time I went. ANd guess what- I was not even religious. I did not go to church or practice the faith whatsoever. I just didn’t feel comfortable with immorality- though I never lectured or gave dirty looks to people who did. I really, really like Alan from Wichita’s post. If I had to go back and do it all again, that is how I would view things. Pray, pray, pray for the people around you and be careful, in your frustration, not to suddenly adopt a Pharisee attitude. Hang in there!
 
I had to change my name at the request of a moderator. Thanks for the responses. We have a Newman Campus Ministry but it’s beyond corrupt and I’d rather stay away from it. I attended several events last semester held by this group and they were disgraceful. They had no problem selling ribbons for homosexual equality but refused to even say the word “God” or discuss spirituality at their public events so that they wouldn’t “offend anybody.” Well I’ll tell you what, they offended me!
 
As a college student myself I can definitely sympathize with what you’re going through. I am not a big drinker and feel that drinking for the sole purpose of getting drunk is beyond disgusting. Most of my peers spend every weekend (and often a day or two during the week) getting drunk, sleeping around, starting fights, and damaging property. I won’t lie, every time I see people stumbling drunkenly from one bar to the next I get angry with them and judge them. I am trying very hard not to be so harsh however, because I am sure most of them are just insecure and following the crowd in order to feel some sort of belonging. This doesn’t entirely excuse their actions, but it does put them a little perspective.

In the end though I can offer you no total solution. I can’t tell you how to get them to stop drinking because I don’t know how nor can I tell you how to stop getting upset with them for their behavior because I still get upset also. But keeping that outrage and irritation under control is essential. Do not let their sinful behavior send you into a state of hatefulness that would clearly be offensive to God (remember that anger/wrath is one of the 7 deadly sins).

*During confession once when I told my priest I had been judging people rather harshly lately he suggested that every time I find myself condemning someone in my thoughts or words that I stop and say (or think) “Lord Jesus have mercy on me.” I adjusted this to saying the Jesus Prayer at these times since they are so similar and I enjoy that prayer a great deal, but the point is to remember that you too are a sinner and that your job is not to condemn your brothers and sisters but to help them. *

When I lived on campus, like I’m assuming you do based on your post, I really did feel like I was living in a sort of hell because there was no way to escape all that nonsense. My best advice is to move off campus as soon as you can and to find an apartment that is a bit farther away from the college you attend than most of the other student apartments. This is the route I took and it has made all the difference.

I’m sorry to hear that the Newman Center at your school appears to be spiritually lukewarm. This happens sometimes, not just with Newman Centers, but with regular parishes as well. However, perhaps you could look into attending services at one of the local Catholic parishes instead of the school’s Newman Center? I don’t know how many options you have where you live, but I’ve always lived in an area of the US with a larger than normal Catholic population so I was lucky enough to have more than 5 parishes within 15 minutes of me to choose from when I moved to my current location for school.

Perhaps you could start praying for your roommates and the others who are living this self-destructive lifestyle? I know it’s hard, but Christ did ask us to do good to those who wrong us. Even if your prayers do not help better their lives at least they may prevent you from spending your time full of anger and hate towards these people and instead using that time for speaking to God.
 
Alas I am not alone in my frustration of what the world has turned college into. I am at a Catholic school as well and I completely understand the politically correct campus ministry, which I am upset about. I still do get angry about it on occasion, but I have adopted the motto of lead us not into temptation especially with the sin of pride for myself. I cannot go to any campus ministry masses, luckily we also have a parish on campus that I go to. However, I still find myself avoiding the campus ministry events because of their passive stance, but I stick close to Christ especially in the Eucharist. I go to adoration a couple times a week and if I can’t avoid it a campus ministry mass. I tell myself that He is the same God regardless of how people act towards Him and pray for those who don’t know Him. I completely understand anger and frustration with the lack of moral consciousness on campus, but as people have said yelling and screaming won’t change anything. The answer is always Christ’s love. I know that’s hard to hear when people are blantantly rejecting His love, but we are called to love as He does. Many of my co-workers are the people who I get upset with, but I try and be as loving as possible while still holding onto my beliefs that what they do is not right and sinful. I try and live a life that imitates Christ so that hopefully others may be attracted to it as I was myself two years ago. If it had not been for the love and joy I saw in someone living out their catholic faith then I may still be in the same boat as everyone else. The important thing to do is pray for them and ask Christ how you can be His servant to them. I almost had a couple people who lived that life come to a retreat that changed my life who backed out at the last minute after I had put in a lot of effort into, but instead of being angry as I was I continue to pray for them that they will open their hearts to Christ and see the emptiness that they are filling their life with. To sum up stay close to Christ, pray for peace, pray for them and as Mary told us “do whatever He asks of you”.
 
In the spirit of “how to let God turn evil into good,” I offer the following viewpoint:

What if I use my imagination to try to find why God might have allowed me to be put into a situation where I’m surrounded by fools, many of them drunken fools? http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/2.gif

How can I possibly grow as a Christian without any sorts of guides or role models around me?

For starters, there is the Internet. We’re all here for you, really. Even if it doesn’t sound like it. You may blow off steam, get advice, and seek references to writings of the Church and Saints, as they apply to your situation. There are posters who live to go around and find resources like that to help somebody in situations like yours. 🤓 + :love:

Second, how can you build any physical muscle if you don’t ever challenge it with resistance? In the same way, how can you build spiritual muscle and emotional self-control if you aren’t ever tested? :banghead:

Finally, if you can accept and enjoy the gift of Christ’s peace, regardless of your circumstances, then IMO you will have done the best thing possible to please God. http://bestsmileys.com/gift/3.gif

IMO, you are in a situation to become an emotional and spiritual super-ninja. :cool:

First, stop judging. How do you know it was not in God’s plan for you to witness this scumbag puking his guts out? Did not Christ hang around the same sort of people? http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/4.gif

I have more to say but I forgot it so it must not have been too important. 😛

Alan
 
I’m very angry. It’s 1:20 AM and outside of my building I hear drunk kids frolicking in their own stupidity. My room mates all got drunk earlier this evening and thankfully left. Unfortunately they left their God-awful rap music playing, and the reason they left was to get more drunk and “hook-up” with women. This place is like hell and I feel beyond isolated. I refuse to partake in the progressive cultural filth that goes on here. I go to a somewhat prestigious University and am pursuing a career in science and dentistry. The cultural idiocy that takes place here is incredibly distracting. Whether it’s the vast encouragement of sexual promiscuity, indulgence, or secularism, there is always some sort of campus event that any Christian should vehemently object. But there is absolutely no human being on this God forsaken campus that has the courage to live their convictions. None. Everyone on campus fits neatly into 1 of 2 categories. Either they partake in whatever they can to make themselves feel pleasured (hedonists), or they don’t partake themselves but possess the post-modern attitude that such actions are acceptable and not contrary to morality. American Universities are pure evil, that’s what I’ve learned these past 2 years. I feel very very very angry. I’ve never felt so alone.
sounds awful…pray for these people and for their conversion…put a message on the prayer intentions forum and ask for others to pray too
 
I don’t understand what you mean when you tell me not to judge. Judgement is incredibly important, and if I were not to judge, I’d also be a fool. I judge activities to be sinful, as do all of us, and then decide not to partake in it. We judge every day what is good and what is bad and make decisions accordingly. I have yet to be presented with anything in scripture that tells us to discard our abilities to judge and take up the sort of impulsive care-free attitude that everything is hunky-dory and nothing is wrong with the world.

Are you talking about my generalization of this campus? That’s an observation. I don’t see what’s wrong with that, and as I said it would be impossible for me to be a Christian if I didn’t make such observations. Perhaps I’ve stereotyped the students here and reduced them down to two variations of personalities, but I’ve said nothing about the state of any individual’s soul. I said nothing regarding the fate of these students. I don’t know if they’re going to heaven or hell nor do I really care in all honesty. I’m simply stating the truth, that WHAT THEY DO is evil. Maybe my Catholic high school education was erroneous, but I was taught that we are to condemn the sin.
 
I love college. It’s a thousand times better then that a cursed high school I went too. Everyone is a lot more maturity and alot nicer then they were in high school. College has been a God send to me because middle school and high school were some of the most miserable years of my life.
 
Maybe my Catholic high school education was erroneous, but I was taught that we are to condemn the sin.
I think it is incomplete, and lacks complete confidence that we can take Jesus at His word, without trying to explain why we think it’s situational. I believe I can illustrate that the advice they have given you, though it echoes the predominant Catholic mentality, actually keeps us blinded to the real lesson Christ is offering.

That said, I don’t blame you or anybody else. You’re not judging any more than almost every other Christian I know of does.

However, I challenge myself, and anybody who want to go with me, to see how “radically” we can take Christ’s advice in general, and specifically not to judge.

First, let’s see what Jesus said about judging – when to do it, and under what circumstances…
Matt 7:
1 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
37 "Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.
OK, I don’t see any qualifiers here. He doesn’t say, for example, “judging sins of others is proper and necessary, but judging them as evil people and saying they’re going to hell isn’t.”

That’s really just lip service for, “God, I know that you said not to judge, but I’ve always been taught that I should so I intend to keep doing it, and find a way that your Word doesn’t apply to me in my situation.”

I’m not blaming you at all. We are all victims of this, and it comes naturally as a part of the socialization process. Jesus doesn’t condemn us for it, He knows this is how we’re programmed by the world. He invites us into a world where there is no judgment; a world where there is no condemnation.

In this world, there must either be no sin, or we must not be able to detect it.

That’s because there is no sin unless there is a judgment. (I know this will raise flags, but I can explain context on request.) I can say to a brother, “I’m concerned/bothered/whatever by what you are doing. Can we talk about it?” But I cannot say, “what you’re doing is wrong, and I am here to explain why.” In the first case I’m providing my brother feedback that could help to save his life – mortal or eternal. In the second case I have judged him, and my whole approach to him makes him turn up his defenses so he can’t hear me."

Remember that the only role in society that judges us, that practically none of us have escaped, is the role of teacher. A teacher is thought of as a Good Thing because he can teach you new things. The problem is, the teacher also gets to give out grades, which go on the Permanent Record. So when we allow someone to teach us, we are opening ourselves up for them to judge us – and there are very few people we trust to judge us except for teachers and even then it’s because we can’t avoid it.

So back to the situation at hand. You can say, “Lord, I am concerned about these kids, that they are wasting their lives and risking catastrophic danger.” But you can’t say, “Lord, I am surrounded by sinners. Save me.” At this time I’ll call again upon the Word:
Luke 18:
9 He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.
10 “Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity–greedy, dishonest, adulterous–or even like this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’
13 But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
14 I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
So is Jesus saying that it’s better to be a sinner than a person who does Good Things? Of course not. The way this strikes me is that Jesus is saying, “who are you to say that the other people’s sins are more serious than your own? No matter how many Good Works you do, if you continue to judge – which is opposed to love – you will never hear this lesson.”

One more scripture and then I need to take another break. I think this scripture helps to support what happened in the case of the publican and tax collector. I highlighted a few phrases I think are key:
1 Cor 13:
1 If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,
5 it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
6 it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things,** endures all things.**
I have to go but I’ll check back in a little while. In the meanwhile I ask you consider this: If we are to obey Christ, how radically can we do that, or are we limited by interpretations various humans have placed on us?

Alan
 
These are some ideas I was kicking around earlier today on the subject of judgment.

How is it that Jesus says we shall be judge if we judge? I think I’ve always envisioned that if I judge another person, then God will come back after me and judge me, or through some sort of karma other humans will judge me in a goes-around-comes-around sort of mentality.

I don’t think it works like that. I think it’s more automatic, and is built-in to the Truth to the extent that it isn’t anything God willfully does, but something we do to ourselves.

For example, if we touch a hot stove, and we get an owee, it was the stove who gave us the injury because that’s the nature of the stove. God didn’t come in and say, “you did a stupid thing by touching the stove, therefor I will let you know by inflicting pain on you.”

In the same way, I think the very act of judging puts us, in our minds, in the exact same place as the person we’re judging. That’s how human empathy works. If I imagine some sort of evil and attribute it to a person, then I have still imagined that evil and have therefore experienced it, in a way, as in a dream, but more under our control than a dream.

Science has found that one person, watching another person doing a simple task, has brain activity in the same places as the person actually doing the task. This is empathy. We imagine what it would be like to be the other person, and so we end up having the same experience beyond what any words would have been able to convey.

If I say to a person, “I know that you did it on purpose, just to get back at me,” then I’ve lived that script in my mind, even if on his behalr. Then, you separated yourself from the other person by claiming that on this particular issue, you are not a sinner but he is.

In your mind you’ve been there. Do you wish you could have done it? Don’t really know, doesn’t really matter. The fact is you’ve at least imagined taking a trip through a “spiritual sewer.”

One example is bad language. If I call down another person for using a word I claim is “bad,” then that implies that I already knew the word, and in fact have judged it and by consequence, anyone who uses it.

Oh gee I think I’m just spouting. i’ll wind it up, again. if you can, believe that God can do anything, and that He can use you as an instrument to bring light to a dark place, and that God will guide you through His Spirit toward the kingdom of heaven, and even on earth we can get a nice taste of the peace and joy Jesus gave His life to give us.

Alan
 
I think it is incomplete, and lacks complete confidence that we can take Jesus at His word, without trying to explain why we think it’s situational. I believe I can illustrate that the advice they have given you, though it echoes the predominant Catholic mentality, actually keeps us blinded to the real lesson Christ is offering.

That said, I don’t blame you or anybody else. You’re not judging any more than almost every other Christian I know of does.

However, I challenge myself, and anybody who want to go with me, to see how “radically” we can take Christ’s advice in general, and specifically not to judge.

First, let’s see what Jesus said about judging – when to do it, and under what circumstances…

OK, I don’t see any qualifiers here. He doesn’t say, for example, “judging sins of others is proper and necessary, but judging them as evil people and saying they’re going to hell isn’t.”

That’s really just lip service for, “God, I know that you said not to judge, but I’ve always been taught that I should so I intend to keep doing it, and find a way that your Word doesn’t apply to me in my situation.”

I’m not blaming you at all. We are all victims of this, and it comes naturally as a part of the socialization process. Jesus doesn’t condemn us for it, He knows this is how we’re programmed by the world. He invites us into a world where there is no judgment; a world where there is no condemnation.

In this world, there must either be no sin, or we must not be able to detect it.

That’s because there is no sin unless there is a judgment. (I know this will raise flags, but I can explain context on request.) I can say to a brother, “I’m concerned/bothered/whatever by what you are doing. Can we talk about it?” But I cannot say, “what you’re doing is wrong, and I am here to explain why.” In the first case I’m providing my brother feedback that could help to save his life – mortal or eternal. In the second case I have judged him, and my whole approach to him makes him turn up his defenses so he can’t hear me."

Remember that the only role in society that judges us, that practically none of us have escaped, is the role of teacher. A teacher is thought of as a Good Thing because he can teach you new things. The problem is, the teacher also gets to give out grades, which go on the Permanent Record. So when we allow someone to teach us, we are opening ourselves up for them to judge us – and there are very few people we trust to judge us except for teachers and even then it’s because we can’t avoid it.

So back to the situation at hand. You can say, “Lord, I am concerned about these kids, that they are wasting their lives and risking catastrophic danger.” But you can’t say, “Lord, I am surrounded by sinners. Save me.” At this time I’ll call again upon the Word:

So is Jesus saying that it’s better to be a sinner than a person who does Good Things? Of course not. The way this strikes me is that Jesus is saying, “who are you to say that the other people’s sins are more serious than your own? No matter how many Good Works you do, if you continue to judge – which is opposed to love – you will never hear this lesson.”

One more scripture and then I need to take another break. I think this scripture helps to support what happened in the case of the publican and tax collector. I highlighted a few phrases I think are key:

I have to go but I’ll check back in a little while. In the meanwhile I ask you consider this: If we are to obey Christ, how radically can we do that, or are we limited by interpretations various humans have placed on us?

Alan
I think you’re completely eliminating the role of context in scripture. The footnotes in my New American Bible even say, regarding Matthew 7:1, “This is not a prohibition against recognizing the faults of others, which would be hardly compatible with vv 5 and 6.”

And I wasn’t saying that my sins were any less serious. That does not prohibit me from recognizing what is evil and what is not. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with such a fundamentalist interpretation of this. You offer good advice nonetheless (And with that I just made a judgement).
 
I think you’re completely eliminating the role of context in scripture. The footnotes in my New American Bible even say, regarding Matthew 7:1, “This is not a prohibition against recognizing the faults of others, which would be hardly compatible with vv 5 and 6.”

And I wasn’t saying that my sins were any less serious. That does not prohibit me from recognizing what is evil and what is not. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with such a fundamentalist interpretation of this. You offer good advice nonetheless (And with that I just made a judgement).
Thank you for trying to understand. I guess you just got lucky … After 10 years of intense searching, praying, and studying, with guidance from a Spiritual Director, and in that time being completely healed of a severe psychosis that the doctors would say would be problematic for me the rest of my life, many, many things have started coming together all of a sudden and I’m experiencing peace and joy that transcends any other experience I’d had before, and it is, independent of my ****** life circumstances. I am still surrounded by jerks and fools, but suddenly I’ve given up control, and therefore my responsibility, to put labels on them. I just love them and when I must deal with them in contexts that used to stress me out, I no longer let it disturb my peace. I’m doing my best to contain my enthusiasm and direct my comments toward the issue being asked about. If I don’t, I apologize.

If I see my brother doing something I believe to be harmful, then it is up to me to notice that, and if possible, try to convey to my brother that he might change something. Just don’t call it a sin. And I’m saying it is impossible for humans to make a right judgment of another human, taking into account what’s in his heart.

So I can say, “I feel hurt when you did that,” but don’t say, “you sinned against me.”

In the first, I am communicating a feeling I have to another person. In the second, I have judged.

I’d like to see anywhere, other than as implied by footnotes that as far as I know are not considered inspired by God, but are man’s interpretations, where Jesus said we have any responsibility whatsoever to judge anything as good or evil, except our own motives. Not other people’s outward acts.
1 Cor 10:
23 “Everything is lawful,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is lawful,” but not everything builds up.
24 No one should seek his own advantage, but that of his neighbor.
25 Eat anything sold in the market, without raising questions on grounds of conscience,
26 for “the earth and its fullness are the Lord’s.”
27 If an unbeliever invites you and you want to go, eat whatever is placed before you, without raising questions on grounds of conscience.
28 But if someone says to you, “This was offered in sacrifice,” do not eat it on account of the one who called attention to it and on account of conscience;
29 I mean not your own conscience, but the other’s. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else’s conscience?
30 If I partake thankfully, why am I reviled for that over which I give thanks?
31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God.
32 Avoid giving offense, whether to Jews or Greeks or the church of God,
33 just as I try to please everyone in every way, not seeking my own benefit but that of the many, that they may be saved.
Alan
 
And I wasn’t saying that my sins were any less serious. That does not prohibit me from recognizing what is evil and what is not. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with such a fundamentalist interpretation of this. You offer good advice nonetheless (And with that I just made a judgement).
Ouch! I have had some conversations with fundies that would make your blood curdle. :bigyikes:

If I’m coming across like a fundie, then help me. What did I say, and how did it make you feel or what seemed inaccurate about it? I thought I took a shower and washed off all traces of fundies. I guess I must have swallowed some of it. 😉

Alan
 
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