I have a hard time respecting my husabnd

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buffalo:
I guess because I am not politically correct. 🙂

I would submit that no healthy woman never nags, demeans or disrespects her husband.
I enjoyed this debate it showed me that Della is not necessarily right. Her statements struck irrational hopeless fear in my heart when I read them. I did deal with it, but it was helpful to read Buffalo’s rebuttal. 👍

Okay I guess we are all clinically damaged. Jesus did come to us because we are sick right? All we need to do is admit that we are sick and seek help. Well it is an on going process.

I would hope that people on this forum would pray before they write so as to be an instrument of God rather than that other guy the devil.
 
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buffalo:
Expressing anger can come in many forms including but not limited to violence. Verbal abuse can be even more hurtful than physical abuse.
Tell that to the grieving parents of a woman who has been killed by her husband or the woman in the hospital recovering from serious bodily injuries caused by a violent man. And no, I’m not being overly dramatic to make a point, these scenarios are all to common when a man responds with violence not mere words.

My sister endured years of verbal abuse from an alcoholic husband, and it was hard and painful but she certainly never equated it with be hit or grabbed or slapped or thrown across the room. That is true violence, not just someone being verbal, although that isn’t right or right to live with and ought to be corrected.
 
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marcsababa:
Okay I guess we are all clinically damaged. Jesus did come to us because we are sick right? All we need to do is admit that we are sick and seek help. Well it is an on going process.
That would be my advice to you. When my wife and I taught marriage prep we had a list of rules for fighting. I will try to find it.

We also received a similar list when we attended engaged encounter. They are now so ingrained in us, we rarely violate them. We both had to see the good in these rules.

A few that come to mind:
  1. Never argue in the past
  2. Don’t ever call names
  3. Don’t hit below the belt
  4. Try and stay close and even hold each others hands
  5. Use “I” words -never “you” words.
 
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Della:
Tell that to the grieving parents of a woman who has been killed by her husband or the woman in the hospital recovering from serious bodily injuries caused by a violent man. And no, I’m not being overly dramatic to make a point, these scenarios are all to common when a man responds with violence not mere words.

My sister endured years of verbal abuse from an alcoholic husband, and it was hard and painful but she certainly never equated it with be hit or grabbed or slapped or thrown across the room. That is true violence, not just someone being verbal, although that isn’t right or right to live with and ought to be corrected.
Psychiatrists may disagree. Some verbal abuse can be worse than physical death. Words are not mere.

Now della, I submit you are automatically stereotyping abuse. You advocate zero tolerance and in that is not bad in itself. And the authorities advocate the same which is a better safe than sorry approach.

However, each case should be judged on its own merits. marcsababa has to judge her situation as she is the only one that can. If her self-esteem is gone and her husband wielding and suppressing it, I would agree that this is dangerous.

It doesn’t sound like it by her posts. Only she can answer.
 
Everbody’s take on violence, “just hit below the belt”…“women cause men to get mad”, out of this, that…“men have problems”, this that…only goes to show that there are not many true men left today who exhibit true Godly character. This is my opinion. For only by example do men and women know and learn to be Godly men and women. If we have not have such an example growing up, it is nearly impossible to achieve this, with God’s help only, we can break the mold and start our families off on a new path. But with all the negative influences today, it is only one with a VERY strong character who will break the mold and soar on in Godliness, Holiness and setting the pace for our children, and our grandchildren, etc., Are we ready to break the mold and be examples?

If we women, want to choose less than this, well, this is all we deserve then, I suppose, a less than 100% man, well, someone far less, in character, perhaps a 20% man. IMO, young women reading this, it is far better to remain single than to settle for this. But as I said, birds of a feather flock together. We all have gotten what we have attracted. The type of woman or man we exhibited is the type of man/woman we got, in marriage, I do believe. If we didn’t have strong convictions, well, look at our lives? This is true. it takes a queen to get a king. Despite, let’s plug away, be faithful to our vows and be queens and kings to our grandkids. Let’s show how we’ve stuck it out, have chosen to NOT be another divorce statistic, always thinking of me, me, me, the “I deserve better” phenomena. It’s never too late. Let’s start with us, shall we?
 
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marcsababa:
I enjoyed this debate it showed me that Della is not necessarily right. Her statements struck irrational hopeless fear in my heart when I read them. I did deal with it, but it was helpful to read Buffalo’s rebuttal. 👍
But I’m not wrong. What I have written is the plain, simple truth supported by professional resources–I have not just expressed my opinions.

As for hopeless fear–I am truly puzzled at that reaction. There is hope, and I said so. The hope is in getting help where and when it is needed, as it is in this situation, and which you have said you are in the process of getting. Your husband can be helped–he just needs to get the help he needs to do it, as well as prayer, of course.
Okay I guess we are all clinically damaged. Jesus did come to us because we are sick right? All we need to do is admit that we are sick and seek help. Well it is an on going process.
There is a vast difference between having a few hang ups and beating, hitting, grabbing, pushing, etc., and we all know it. No one gets tossed into jail for nagging or for yelling unless they threaten violence or disturb the peace. Violence is physical not merely verbal, although verbal abuse is often the precursor to violence.
I would hope that people on this forum would pray before they write so as to be an instrument of God rather than that other guy the devil.
I have prayed before writing, and I have written the truth. Simply telling things as the are is not being used by the devil just because it is unpleasant to hear. I take no offense, though because I realize how deeply you are being affected by the unhappy situation in which you find yourself and about which you asked for our advise. You and your family have my prayers.
 
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sparkle:
it takes a queen to get a king.
👍 Yes, what a great saying!!! I will review my program of life and see how I can work being a queen into it somehow. Mary is our Queen and she is our role model for women!!!

As Buffalo pointed out I am not crushed. I am a sinful worrier about my material security and I am making choices together with my husband that inhibit me from being able to contribute financially. This is something I have to deal with. It causes much of my frustration. If I did not choose to be a stay at home mum I could contribute to our material security but I would have little energy left to keep the home hearth warm. As it stands with my little people all at home it will be a while before I can even work from home and accomplish my other duties.

I get very upset when I speak to women who stick their little babies in day care and say that they have to work cause of lack of money and that they could not be fulfilled staying at home. Then they say well you would probably not understand this. I feel like screaming: And I have a masters degree and a deep desire to do research for pro life organizations!!! DO you think I have no wordly ambitions? I put my family first. My pride is wrong of course, but it does hurt to be looked at as an ambitionless stay at home cop out.

However, apart from that I am not a crushed, apathetic person. I have a pretty good opinion of myself in general. 😉 I know I have serious flaws that I need to work on, but I do not think that God made a bad thing when he made me.
 
marcsababa said:
👍 Mary is our Queen and she is our role model for women!!!
As Buffalo pointed out I am not crushed. I am a sinful worrier about my material security and I am making choices together with my husband that inhibit me from being able to contribute financially.

Friend: You are a queen for making your home and children #1.!!! Don’t let the world and women’s libbers (even on this forum) persuade you otherwise!!!
A woman’s place is in the home, IMO. And I have an upper level education degree too. What matters is that we are the best mom possible, and that means our work is in the home with our children.

Amen!!! Now put on your crown, I see it and so does God, make yourself a nice cup of tea and know you’re getting it right!

God Bless You~~
 
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Della:
As for hopeless fear–I am truly puzzled at that reaction. There is hope, and I said so.
I think that it was not your post but another post that really used strong words against men who would express their anger in a physical manner. I don’t think of my husband as despicable lowest of the low scum. (well not usually 😛 )

I guess I really hate to hear the expression: You need help. I know we both do need help and (name removed by moderator)ut from a good advisor. We are both going to make sure we get it. But I hate to think of our situation as grossly unusual. I think every marriage has its problems, and I dislike hearing: Well NORMAL marriages don’t have YOUR problems. Or better yet: MY marriage doesn’t have YOUR problem.

One guy I know blamed his divorce from his wife on the fact that they never argued. One day she was just gone. No arguing, no discussion, just over. WOW.

I thank you for being understanding and not being offended. Yes I am deeply in this, but I do see the light and have received a lot of good council from people here (including yourself Della).

I think I will ask my husband if he wants to read through these posts. It might help him when he goes to see his advisor. He is making his apointment today and is working near our church for the next little while so everything seems to be set for his “getting help”
 
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marcsababa:
I think that it was not your post but another post that really used strong words against men who would express their anger in a physical manner. I don’t think of my husband as despicable lowest of the low scum. (well not usually 😛 )
Yikes! I missed that post, and glad I did!
I guess I really hate to hear the expression: You need help. I know we both do need help and (name removed by moderator)ut from a good advisor. We are both going to make sure we get it. But I hate to think of our situation as grossly unusual. I think every marriage has its problems, and I dislike hearing: Well NORMAL marriages don’t have YOUR problems. Or better yet: MY marriage doesn’t have YOUR problem.
Yes, that kind of judgment of others doesn’t help anyone, does it? No marriage is perfect (except Mary and Joseph 😉 ), but sometimes things can get beyond our control, which is when we need help. Yes?
One guy I know blamed his divorce from his wife on the fact that they never argued. One day she was just gone. No arguing, no discussion, just over. WOW.
It was all one-sided, then, wasn’t it? I’d have left too if I was never allowed to speak my piece, if that’s what happened in that case.
I thank you for being understanding and not being offended. Yes I am deeply in this, but I do see the light and have received a lot of good council from people here (including yourself Della).
Well, I figured you must be answering more than one person and I understand how stressed we can become when under a strain. I’ve lived through a few stressful situations in my life too. I guess by the time a person reaches 57 she’s bound to have. 🙂
I think I will ask my husband if he wants to read through these posts. It might help him when he goes to see his advisor. He is making his apointment today and is working near our church for the next little while so everything seems to be set for his “getting help”
It might be helpful to him to read comments from those who can be objective. Of course, a good counselor will also be objective, something I hope he’s prepared for. My sister’s lastest guy and she were having some serious disagreements about things between them and sought counseling. They both came away with tools to deal with their differences and are working on them and are much happier with each other now and neither one of them is a loony or anything like that. They just had things they had to work out. Your hubby isn’t a loony, either, but needs help to deal with his temper because becoming violent is a very serious thing. You are both very wise to be going to someone to nip this thing in the bud so you can have a long happy life together with your children. 👍
 
My husband was what would be considered abusive the first three or so years of our marriage. Verbally mostly, but there was once that he pushed me into a wall, and another that he grabbed my arm so hard he left bruises, another time he called me a whore and actually yanked the refrigerator from the wall and I though he was going to throw it on me. Yes he is very strong, and yes I have a long memory.😉

Looking back, I see how horrid I was too. I am not excusing his behavior, nor saying that I CAUSED it. But I did CONTRIBUTE to it. Nagging … trying to force dialogue … refusing to let things “drop”, even when he begged me.:o One time I threw ice cold water on his head when he had to get up early for work the next day, because he went to sleep to avoid discussing something with me. That is abusive too.

Anyway’s here is what worked for us. I had a ZERO tolerance for abuse AND a 100% commitment to our marriage. I realized how much my behavior “contibuted” to his actions, and that if I wanted him to change, I needed to help him … by changing myself. I kept my high standards for him, but focused instead on how am I helping or hindering him in acheiving his potential, and am I acheiving my own? There was one point of seperation at my request that lasted three months. This seperation was NEVER intended as anything but something to HELP, not end our marriage.

To be honest (from your posts) it sounds like you have the BASIS for a good marriage, now it is time to work out the kinks and get there … however the Holy Spirit inspires you two to do that. Keep praying!!

God will most probably not erase your problems, but He has promised to see you through them unto VICTORY.

I am still not sure exactly when my husband changed from a hostile angry man to the gentle loving husband and father, I now have. Nor when I changed from the shrieking, nagging, hysterical wife to the woman he refers to as “his best friend in the world.” But here are some practical solutions that helped me to be a better wife.

My husband and I have wonderful communication, but this has been something that has come from time and effort. Looking back, my husband was incapable of communicating then, the way he does now. I helped him by giving him a lot of space … leaving out a lot of emotional hysterics.

If there was something I really wanted him to HEAR, I would write it in a letter. (BTW, do not have him read it with you around, that defeats the purpose.) Then I would stick it in his lunch box, or leave it on his dashboard. When he read it, his defenses were down, because I wasn’t there, he had no choice but to HEAR. This worked VERY VERY well … but keep the letters loving and truthful … do not use them as weapons, and do not overuse.

In fact they worked so well, that even though it has been years since I have written one, they are STILL effective. In fact, if I try to talk with my husband about something and he shows any of his old unwillingness (communication blockers), I just say calmly and lovingly , “well hon, I’m not going to keep frustrating myself trying to get you to listen, so I’ll just write you a letter.”:whistle: He ALWAYS responds, “No … No letter … I’ll listen.” And he does.

I worked hard on my own spiritual life. I offered up sacrifices for my husband, said a daily rosary for us and did a novena to St. Joseph for over six months!! I learned to ask for help from God, than to not interrupt Him with my big mouth. I learned how to love even when it seemd I was not being loved very well in return. I learned to love for God instead of for myself. It was not easy, and sometimes it seemed we were going backwards. But somehow through all of our stumbling, our marriage grew and prospered and I cannot believe the marriage I am blessed with right now.

Thank you, Jesus.
 
Reading this thread gave me the urge to respond. Well, for starters, I am a husband. I lost my wife’s respect because of something similar to the original post. While it is true men would often feel down after a wife’s nagging, it more so because of being stubborn. I have come to realize that my wife is not nagging me but correcting me. I know now that she wants only the best for me or for us. If there is someone who will point out our weaknesses, it is our spouse. I am determined, more than ever, to regain my wife’s respect. In fact, I have to work double time because I can sense my children are losing their respect for me too. Violence or physical abuse is not my cup of tea. Often, my pride will get in the way of my wife’s correction. Please pray for me that I succeed in this regard. I love my wife and children such that I am prepared to move heaven and earth to earn their respect. :cool:
 
I thought that this thread was inactive and that I had spent enough time here. However I am grateful I checked and I saw your posts that gave so much hope.

I trully appreciate the warnings and the encouragment of the other posts to get help for both of us.

I am grateful to be able to read in Ana’s post of a husband who did change as his wife changed. I also am impressed with Olegna. I assumed that my husband would make similar statements. Dr. Laura’s book “The Proper care and feeding of husbands” indicates that most men are made that way. They will want to move heaven and earth for their families. It is up to the wives to support them in that and to trust in them.

The time for a break for us is not now, though I have gone to see my parents to visit and felt that it was therapeutic to have that distance between us.

I want to be in a good state of mind and with my husband when we have our fourth baby. Anyday now…
 
Wow. So much pain in all of today’s posts from wives. My heart is truely breaking to the point that I may not be able to read the forum for a couple of days. But, I do want to put my 2 cents in here. Not about the abuse… you have a lot of feed back on that. Some I agree with and some I don’t.

First, (o.k…yea, I’ll touch on the abuse) I came from an abusive background and prior to becoming a Christian I lived with an abusive boyfriend. Actually, I wound up in E.R. because of him. I thankfully, did not have the sacrament of marriage holding me to him. Not that it was right, I’m not saying that, but I’m glad I had an oportunity to get away.

Second, when I did receive Christ in my life and married in the Church, I married a man that I treated the same way, bad or good, he never raised his voice at me. What does that say? It was obviously the sicko I was living with was at fault, not me, regardless of what he said the next day. With that said… let me get to the point:

When I first married over 15 years ago, I spent the first 5 or so years telling my hubby what a crappy provider he was. Why didn’t he keep the yard up, my daddy did. Why don’t you spend more time with the kids, my daddy did. Why don’t you buy me a bigger house, my daddy did. Why? Why? Why? … you get the picture. It was awful! He loved me through all the distasteful nagging without ever retaliating. He just continued doing the best he could. The biggest problem I had is that he made so little money, why couldn’t he get a better job. Now, 15 years later, his job, though still not paying a lot, has given him stability. All my other friends won’t have the pension he will have when he retires. Our insurance is incredible. He now has 5 weeks off a year to spend with our family or cash in to pay the credit cards. He also has 4 paid “free days”. Not sick days, just days he can play with his family or take me somewhere nice. His patience with me taught me love and humility. Thankfully, I stopped nagging about 9 to 10 years ago even though he still can’t buy me the bigger house. But he did put up the white picket fence I wanted even though he had to teach himself to do it…this from a man that didn’t know which end of a hammer to hold when we got married is quite an accomplishment. Then when I wanted a flag in our front yard, he worked his rear off to put a proper pole up… right before the 4th of July. There are numerous other things that I could brag about, but the one thing I’m sure about is this: Once I stopped nagging, he WANTED to do these things for me. As he told my oldest son when he asked his daddy why he was killing himself in the yard raising that flag pole for me, “Son, I love your mom, that’s why I’m putting this dang thing up!”

Point being, stop nagging. It may take a few years, but eventually he’ll start doing things on his own… maybe.
 
wannabesaved said:
“Son, I love your mom, that’s why I’m putting this dang thing up!”

Point being, stop nagging. It may take a few years, but eventually he’ll start doing things on his own… maybe.

Yes, yes I hear you.

I love what your husband said to your son.

Thank you
 
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buffalo:
I guess because I am not politically correct. 🙂

If a man makes a mistake and strikes his wife one time and never again, I would not lable him unhealthy. A mistake is not automatically unhealthy. It is a mistake.
No Buffalo, it is not not a mistake, it is a crime. A felony to be exact. If the victim wanted to prosecute, he would be charged. This is the law. My mother-in-law used to work for a battered women’s shelter.
 
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snoopy:
No Buffalo, it is not not a mistake, it is a crime. A felony to be exact. If the victim wanted to prosecute, he would be charged. This is the law. My mother-in-law used to work for a battered women’s shelter.
A crime can be a mistake. A life of crime can be a mistake and forgiven in the end.
 
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buffalo:
A crime can be a mistake.
You will still be in a heap of trouble!!! And rightfully so. It’s still a crime, even if you made a mistake in committing it.
 
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snoopy:
You will still be in a heap of trouble!!! And rightfully so. It’s still a crime, even if you made a mistake in committing it.
If someone presses charges.
 
I submit there is a difference between battered women and men, and a spouse who has made a mistake.
 
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