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Fr. Joseph is, and has been for a number of years, a happily married man. He is now a Catholic priest, just as much a Catholic priest as any of the thousands of Catholic priests who serve in Roman Catholic parishes across the country (and the world!).

What do you mean **(a pilgrim) ** that Fr. Joseph is now a Catholic priest? I thought you said he was a priest and married for a number of years. Well, was he an ordained priest before he was married?

I am talking about the Roman Catholic Church where priest are ordained into the priesthood. They cannot now go and get married.
 
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mikew262:
And should change in my opinion.
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Thank God you are not the pope.
 
Maureen Fiore:
What do you mean **(a pilgrim) **that Fr. Joseph is now a Catholic priest? I thought you said he was a priest and married for a number of years. Well, was he an ordained priest before he was married?

I am talking about the Roman Catholic Church where priest are ordained into the priesthood. They cannot now go and get married.
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Sorry if you misunderstood me, Maureen. Fr. Joseph was not a priest before his marriage. He became a married man first, well before his ordination to the priesthood - and he continues to be a married man now, after his ordination. And, for the record, the Byzantine Catholic Church does hold to the same discipline as the Roman Catholic Church with regard to marriage after ordination - it’s not allowed.

In short, in the Byzantine Catholic Church a married man can become a priest, but a priest cannot become a married man!

With regard to your last paragraph quoted above, there are many Catholics who frequent this forum who are not Roman Catholics; we must be careful not to assume that whatever disciplines the Roman (Latin) Catholic Church subscribes to automatically apply to all members of the Catholic faith… they do not.
 
Maureen Fiore:
Thank God you are not the pope.
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Hopefully, God will give us one someday that will consider it. There is no good reason why priests should not be allowed to marry, if they so desire. There may have to be some restrictions/structure to it like restricted career pathes, but it is certainly do-able.
 
a pilgrim:
Sorry if you misunderstood me, Maureen. Fr. Joseph was not a priest before his marriage. He became a married man first, well before his ordination to the priesthood - and he continues to be a married man now, after his ordination. And, for the record, the Byzantine Catholic Church does hold to the same discipline as the Roman Catholic Church with regard to marriage after ordination - it’s not allowed.

In short, in the Byzantine Catholic Church a married man can become a priest, but a priest cannot become a married man!

With regard to your last paragraph quoted above, there are many Catholics who frequent this forum who are not Roman Catholics; we must be careful not to assume that whatever disciplines the Roman (Latin) Catholic Church subscribes to automatically apply to all members of the Catholic faith… they do not.
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You need to reread my many post on this thread then because I have mentioned that in the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH there are no married priest who have been ordained then married.
 
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mikew262:
Hopefully, God will give us one someday that will consider it. There is no good reason why priests should not be allowed to marry, if they so desire. There may have to be some restrictions/structure to it like restricted career pathes, but it is certainly do-able.
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It would be highly unlikely that this will happen any time soon. Yes, it is a possibility but hopefully not in my lifetime.
 
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Mike_D30:
There’s never been women Priests, that’s a lie. As far as married Priests, there are some today, that go into the priesthood after being married, adn in the Eastern Rite priests marry. Although those going into the preisthood in the Latin rite can’t marry and have children. Although it wasn’t until I believe the 11th century that it was stringently enforced that priests were to remain celibate and not marry. This was done for a couple reasons, to allow men to go off as missionaries without worrying about leaving behind a wife and child, and because the priest can devote all his time and energy to taking care of his flock.
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Yep. It was in the 11th century.
 
Maureen Fiore:
You need to reread my many post on this thread then because I have mentioned that in the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH there are no married priest who have been ordained then married.
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This is a very different statement from the one you made in post #29 where you said this:
The only way we have married priest in the Catholic Church is because they came from a different religion and converted to Catholicism.
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My point is this: We do have married priests in the Catholic Church who did not convert from other religions, contrary to what you said in the quote immediately above.

There is a BIG difference between a priest who wishes to marry and a married man who wishes to become a priest. The first is not allowed by any of the sui iuris Catholic Churches, whereas the second is, in fact, very commonplace in many of the Eastern Catholic Churches… i.e. married Catholic priests.
 
Maureen Fiore:
Yes, for now a true statement. But, it can change because it is not dogma.
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Then why is it almost completely impossible to work around except for the Vaticans approval specifically? I’m pretty sure it is something that is rather set in stone and not going to change. Maybe not dogma, but still something important to the Church. Jesus called for people to be celibate directly, “Those who can live celibately should do so”.
 
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cissellp:
There was an engineer were I work that made a remark under his breath about how in the history of the Catholic church priest were married and some where even women is that true?
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No. There have never been priests in the Catholic Church.

There are still priests that are married in the eastern Catholic rites, like the Byzantines. It has always been a teaching of the Church that a priest can not get married.
 
a pilgrim:
This is a very different statement from the one you made in post #29 where you said this:

My point is this: We do have married priests in the Catholic Church who did not convert from other religions, contrary to what you said in the quote immediately above.

There is a BIG difference between a priest who wishes to marry and a married man who wishes to become a priest. The first is not allowed by any of the sui iuris Catholic Churches, whereas the second is, in fact, very commonplace in many of the Eastern Catholic Churches… i.e. married Catholic priests.
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Yes, in the Eastern Churches there are married priest. BUT NOT IN THE ROMAN LATIN RITE. OK You are wrong and you need to read my post more carefully. Obviously you are not reading them correctly.
 
Maureen Fiore:
Yes, in the Eastern Churches there are married priest. BUT NOT IN THE ROMAN LATIN RITE. OK You are wrong and you need to read my post more carefully. Obviously you are not reading them correctly.
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…or perhaps you are not stating them correctly.

I refer you yet again to this statement of yours…
The only way we have married priest in the Catholic Church is because they came from a different religion and converted to Catholicism.
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…which is simply not true. Clearly the Catholic Church you refer to above, by definition, includes the Eastern Catholic Churches. Now, you may think I’m nit-picking but, as a member of the extreme minority population of Eastern Catholics who frequent this forum, I feel an obligation to point out errors with regard to the praxis of our Church when I spot them. This is, after all, an educational forum and, truth be told, many of my Roman Catholic brethren know little or nothing about the Eastern Catholic Churches - no fault of their own; we represent such a small minority within the Catholic Church that many RCs no doubt go through their entire lifetime without even knowing that we exist! And many who do know of us somehow believe that we’re not “real” Catholics (which we are!). What a wonderful opportunity we have here to share information!

I’m not picking on you, Maureen, just trying to ensure that only much-needed factual information is presented here regarding the Eastern Catholic Churches. This is, after all, exactly what our late Holy Father, John Paul II commanded us Eastern Catholics to do (Orientale Lumen, 1995).
 
a pilgrim:
…or perhaps you are not stating them correctly.

I refer you yet again to this statement of yours…

…which is simply not true. Clearly the Catholic Church you refer to above, by definition, includes the Eastern Catholic Churches. Now, you may think I’m nit-picking but, as a member of the extreme minority population of Eastern Catholics who frequent this forum, I feel an obligation to point out errors with regard to the praxis of our Church when I spot them. This is, after all, an educational forum and, truth be told, many of my Roman Catholic brethren know little or nothing about the Eastern Catholic Churches - no fault of their own; we represent such a small minority within the Catholic Church that many RCs no doubt go through their entire lifetime without even knowing that we exist! And many who do know of us somehow believe that we’re not “real” Catholics (which we are!). What a wonderful opportunity we have here to share information!

I’m not picking on you, Maureen, just trying to ensure that only much-needed factual information is presented here regarding the Eastern Catholic Churches. This is, after all, exactly what our late Holy Father, John Paul II commanded us Eastern Catholics to do (Orientale Lumen, 1995).
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Actually, I find these forums very informative and enjoy them. I understand that we are not from the same Rite. Obviously, I see that you are from the Eastern Catholic Church and I am not. I am not speaking about the Eastern Catholic Church. I hope you understand that now! I do not wish to continue with this dialogue if you continue to feel that I am talking about the entire Catholic Community. I am speaking about the Rite that I am baptised in.
 
Maureen Fiore:
Actually, I find these forums very informative and enjoy them. I understand that we are not from the same Rite. Obviously, I see that you are from the Eastern Catholic Church and I am not. I am not speaking about the Eastern Catholic Church. I hope you understand that now! I do not wish to continue with this dialogue if you continue to feel that I am talking about the entire Catholic Community. I am speaking about the Rite that I am baptised in.
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Glory To Jesus Christ!
I think that pilgrim is merely pointing out that instead of making a blanket statement about Catholic Tradition, you should differentiate that you are refering to the Roman (Latin) Catholic Church. After all we are all Catholic (as you can see I am Ruthenian Catholic). 🙂

God bless you,
Mickey
 
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Mickey:
Glory To Jesus Christ!
I think that pilgrim is merely pointing out that instead of making a blanket statement about Catholic Tradition, you should differentiate that you are refering to the Roman (Latin) Catholic Church. After all we are all Catholic (as you can see I am Ruthenian Catholic). 🙂

God bless you,
Mickey
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I think I did many times over to Pilgrim what do I need to do next draw pictures.lol
Oh, BTW, your introduction was a little surprising. I hope you did not do this in vain?
 
Maureen Fiore:
It would be highly unlikely that this will happen any time soon. Yes, it is a possibility but hopefully not in my lifetime.
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Why do you have such a problem with married priests? The fact that we have some now (came over from a different faith or are in the Eastern Churchs) and assuming they are doing a fine job, shows it’s entirely plausible. :confused:
 
Maureen Fiore:
The only way we have married priest in the Catholic Church is because they came from a different religion and converted to Catholicism. Once a man is ordained into the priesthood they cannot get married if they were not married before.
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Untrue. In the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church married men are ordained to the priesthood all of the time. I am not talking about Eastern Orthodox here; but Catholics who are under the jurisdiction of the Holy Father. Celibacy is only a discipline… not a dogma or doctrine.
 
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mikew262:
Why do you have such a problem with married priests? The fact that we have some now (came over from a different faith or are in the Eastern Churchs) and assuming they are doing a fine job, shows it’s entirely plausible. :confused:
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I don’t have a problem with married priest if the pope decides to change it. But for now there are none in the ROMAN LATIN CATHOLIC CHURCH! OK, are we all clear on that!!!
 
Semper Fi:
Untrue. In the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church married men are ordained to the priesthood all of the time. I am not talking about Eastern Orthodox here; but Catholics who are under the jurisdiction of the Holy Father. Celibacy is only a discipline… not a dogma or doctrine.
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OK, I give up! I am not going to continue with this because you all choose not to read my post thoroughly.
 
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