I have found the last straw

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underacloud said:
Glad to hear you are exploring other options. Remember it’s ultimately your choice and simply seeing a secular gyno doesn’t lock you in to that either.

I still think you may benefit from calling the National Catholic Bioethics Center to discuss. So far you have allowed a poorly informed deacon and well meaning but misguided lay Catholics to fill your head with needless guilt and misinformation. Many people on this forum have tried to correct this situation, but hearing it for yourself from people trained in the Catholic ethics of these sorts of medical scenarios may offer you the confidence to make good medical choices with a clear conscience.
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This. 👍👍

There are a number of well-meaning, but sadly misinformed Catholics who don’t understand Catholic moral teaching. There is nothing immoral about women (or men) taking pills that contain hormones. What the church says is that taking any action (whatever that may be) with the intention of making a sexual act incapable of procreation, is immoral.

Undergoing medical treatment (or, heck, even being too sedentary, or drinking alcohol) is not immoral merely because such action may reduce the likelihood of conception.

I know people have already mentioned this, but well-intentioned Catholics seem to have this fundamental misunderstanding that estrogen/progesterone pills = evil, and it’s just not true.

*As a side note, there are legitimate medical discussions about whether taking these pills, apart from being used as a contraceptive, represent the best medical decision and are the best option in all case. But, those discussions are medical discussions best had with one’s doctor, and not questions of moral Catholic teaching.
 
phillylawyer said:
This. 👍👍

There are a number of well-meaning, but sadly misinformed Catholics who don’t understand Catholic moral teaching. There is nothing immoral about women (or men) taking pills that contain hormones. What the church says is that taking any action (whatever that may be) with the intention of making a sexual act incapable of procreation, is immoral.

Undergoing medical treatment (or, heck, even being too sedentary, or drinking alcohol) is not immoral merely because such action may reduce the likelihood of conception.

I know people have already mentioned this, but well-intentioned Catholics seem to have this fundamental misunderstanding that estrogen/progesterone pills = evil, and it’s just not true.

*As a side note, there are legitimate medical discussions about whether taking these pills, apart from being used as a contraceptive, represent the best medical decision and are the best option in all case. But, those discussions are medical discussions best had with one’s doctor, and not questions of moral Catholic teaching.
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:clapping: 👍
 
phillylawyer said:
Undergoing medical treatment (or, heck, even being too sedentary, or drinking alcohol) is not immoral merely because such action may reduce the likelihood of conception.
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…or her drinking too much coffee, or her being under stress, her sleep deprivation, his wearing tight underwear, his biking, his spending too much time in the jacuzzi, their using standard lubricants, etc. Or even her breastfeeding.

There’s virtually an unlimited list of things in normal life that diminish fertility.
 
Xantippe said:
…or her drinking too much coffee, or her being under stress, her sleep deprivation, his wearing tight underwear, his biking, his spending too much time in the jacuzzi, their using standard lubricants, etc. Or even her breastfeeding.

There’s virtually an unlimited list of things in normal life that diminish fertility.
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Yes. This.

Now, a lot more people do take hormonal pills with the intention of reducing fertility than, say, wearing tight underwear (I mean, I assume that’s the case, although I do admit to not actually being read up on the data regarding the number of people who wear tight underwear with explicitly contraceptive purposes).

So, it’s understandable why people more closely associate hormonal pills with contraception than hanging out in the jacuzzi. But, that doesn’t change the underlying moral principal taught by Mother Church.
 
My condition itself significantly reduces my fertility, and also significantly increases my chances of miscarriage. :o
 
I will pray a Rosary for your husband’s conversion
to the Catholic faith, it worked in MY case!!

Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is w/ you,
blessed are you among women,
blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners, now
and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
My condition itself significantly reduces my fertility, and also significantly increases my chances of miscarriage. :o
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Well, then* obviously* it’s a sinful condition to have! Get rid of it at once! Clearly, it’s only there because you have a contraceptive mindset! 😛

(Needless to say, I’m being extremely sarcastic here.)

OP, I hope your appointment goes well, and that you find relief! 🙂
 
I truly hope you are able to find some relief .

I read some of these posts though and I hope you don’t get the wrong impression. Catholics can’t take BC pills and continue having sex. It would be dangerous to your children. Also taking the pill for your health is never a good idea, you may go from the frying pan and into the flame.

Good luck in finding healing and health!
 
sherimarie said:
I truly hope you are able to find some relief .

I read some of these posts though and I hope you don’t get the wrong impression. Catholics can’t take BC pills and continue having sex. It would be dangerous to your children. Also taking the pill for your health is never a good idea, you may go from the frying pan and into the flame.

Good luck in finding healing and health!
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My body is already in flames because I tried everything else BEFORE hormones and it messed me up big time.

Thanks but no thanks.
 
sherimarie said:
Thanks, for what??
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I’m just saying that I’ve heard your advice from others before and I’m choosing not to take it. It’s an opinion some pious Catholics hold (which you are certainly entitled to hold ;)) but it is only an opinion. Not official Church teaching.

I really do thank you for your kindness in praying for me and your well wishes! That was very sweet of you! 🙂
 
Haven’t you ever read Humane Vitae??? Must have missed the 70s (not an entirely bad thing).

The problem with the pill is the abortifaciant action it could impose on a newly conceived life. You wouldn’t want to put your children in any direct danger, of course. It is also harmful to your long term health, (breast cancer etc)

Intent has nothing to do w/ something that is evil at it’s core. I’m sorry you have the wrong impression. Please don’t give other people the idea that the BC pill has some kind of health benefit that is ok for Catholic families.
 
sherimarie said:
Haven’t you ever read Humane Vitae??? Must have missed the 70s (not an entirely bad thing).

The problem with the pill is the abortifaciant action it could impose on a newly conceived life. You wouldn’t want to put your children in any direct danger, of course. It is also harmful to your long term health, (breast cancer etc)

Intent has nothing to do w/ something that is evil at it’s core. I’m sorry you have the wrong impression. Please don’t give other people the idea that the BC pill has some kind of health benefit that is ok for Catholic families.
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I was just looking at the Wikipedia article and it contains the following quote from Humanae vitae:

“…the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result therefrom — provided such impediment is not directly intended.”

It is morally allowable for the OP (who has suffered and is suffering a great deal) to pursue conventional medical treatment using hormones.
 
sherimarie said:
Haven’t you ever read Humane Vitae??? Must have missed the 70s (not an entirely bad thing).

The problem with the pill is the abortifaciant action it could impose on a newly conceived life. You wouldn’t want to put your children in any direct danger, of course. It is also harmful to your long term health, (breast cancer etc)

Intent has nothing to do w/ something that is evil at it’s core. I’m sorry you have the wrong impression. Please don’t give other people the idea that the BC pill has some kind of health benefit that is ok for Catholic families.
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Here we go again…:rolleyes:

Is there any doubt to the followers of this and my other threads why I’ve been driven to insanity over this? :o

Just FYI…Father Vincent Serpa from Catholic Answers (as well as several other apologists) have stated otherwise:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=4618
 
Xantippe said:
I was just looking at the Wikipedia article and it contains the following quote from Humanae vitae:

“…the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result therefrom — provided such impediment is not directly intended.”

It is morally allowable for the OP (who has suffered and is suffering a great deal) to pursue conventional medical treatment using hormones.
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:hug1: Thanks! 🙂
 
But you certainly don’t think it is ok to go ahead and have sex while using the pill to get “better”?
 
sherimarie said:
But you certainly don’t think it is ok to go ahead and have sex while using the pill to get “better”?
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What are you basing your views on?

You have yet to give an authoritative source for your views.

If the OP has any doubts as to what course of treatment to follow, she should consult the National Catholic Bioethics Center.
 
sherimarie said:
But you certainly don’t think it is ok to go ahead and have sex while using the pill to get “better”?
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Yes ma’am, I do. If the good apologists of CA say it’s okay, then I trust it’s okay. 👍

Also, I notice you put “better” in quotes. I went to a Church approved NaPro doctor to get a surgery to get “better” and I came out worse than when I went in. :rolleyes: I’m now practically bedridden and mostly homebound due to the sheer magnitude of pain. If that is better, then I’m in trouble. 🤷
 
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