I just watched my last ER episode last night

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I’ve been watching it from the get go. I did take a brief break when they were deep into Cari discovering her gay identity. I remember one episode that year when it opened with five couples in bed (talking). None were married and two of them were women. :eek:

Now another unmarried cast member is pregnant–I counted seven unmarried pregnancies among the main cast.

Last night, Abby and a 15 year old rape victim were both trying to decided about an abortion. Lots of “choice” words were thrown about. The Catholic doctor (yes, the promiscuous one who doesn’t practice his faith) eventually talks the devoutly Christian rape victim into have the miscarriage. Surprisingly, her devout parents were protrayed as trully kind people (though,obviously very misguided). He also performed the abortion immediately without counsellling and without informing the parents. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

NBC has turned into abortion and gay rights propaganda central. I am boycotting it, for sure.!!!
 
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… and without informing the parents. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

NBC has turned into abortion and gay rights propaganda central. I am boycotting it, for sure.!!!
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The 15 y/o is considered an “emancipated minor” and her parents permission is not needed.
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Another reason I do not visit the Broadcast channels except for sports.

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I was hoping someone would start a post about this episode. I too was bothered by it. I think that Luca - being portrayed as a Catholic is such a joke because he is the male character who gets around the most… who HASN’T he slept with on that show? But now he’s the token “Catholic?” :confused: I did appreciate the way they protrayed the parents… not as total nut cases, but rather as people trying their best to serve God despite the circumstances. And what’s with that Nela? Butting in to the 15 year old’s life when she obviously has very loving parents to guide her? My biggest gripe though was with Abby… should I keep the baby… should I kill it? When she was sitting on the bench & Luca came up and said something to the effect of, "Oh you did what you had to do… (kill my baby) but WE can still be together (ie: still have sex outside of marrage). Gag. And then we’re supposed to be all happy when she annouces that SUPRISE she “just couldn’t do it.” Yeah right… she looked oh so happy (not) !! Just what every precious baby needs… a mother who chickens out on killing her so she gets to live. Blah. Where’s the vomit smiley when I need it?

I agree that NBC puts out garbage.
 
Right about in the middle of it I thought “I can’t watch this show anymore.” It made me sad because I have always liked the show.
My 13 year old son made me proud, though. He applauded when the show portrayed the parents as kind and supportive and not willing to talk about abortion. And when Luca gave the girl the stuff to make her miscarry, my son walked out of the room and said I can’t watch this garbage anymore.
 
In real life there is a specially trained designated person who deals with all rape victims in the ER. I doubt if the doctor would be that person. Also, an ER doc would not be performing any abortions. At most, a morning after pill would be offered, which is not the same as a surgical abortion procedure. ER docs do not perform abortions.

ER is a very unrealistic show. Also, most hanky panky in hospitals occur in surgery, not the ER. :rolleyes: Everyone knows that. 😉
 
Luca, the doc from Croatia – isn’t he the one who was the only one spared in that massacre in the Congo, because the guys doing the massacring mistook him for a priest?

And didn’t they mistake him for a priest because one of the local women put a necklace with a cross around his neck?

Would have been nice if the writers of the show had built on that, and had it so that Luca “took the hint” from that Congo situation and turned himself into a devoutly practicing Catholic.

But being that this is network TV we’re talking about, I know that I’m deluding myself here.
 
Luca was the one who did this?! :banghead: He was the one who supposedly “changed” after taking care of the dying Bishop. He was so angry at God because his wife and children died in Croatia and he talked to the Bishop and the Bishop gave him absolution.

Then, he turned into a major jerk after going to the Congo.

Oh, and there was an episode where he convinced a mother of a preemie to let the baby die(24 weeker) because his attitude was that the millions of dollars that it would cost to save the baby could be better spent.
 
I have some questions
  1. How long was the time frame from the rape and the pill the girl took?
  2. If its within a certain amount of time, I am under the belief the Church allows this because there is in effect NO PREGANCY to terminate.
I didnt watch the show, thats why I ask. I just dont like the words miscarry on purpose and abortion when there may not have been one. I beleive the church allows for a very short window of time to take a pill that prevents conception in cases of rape… was this show within hours of the rape or days and weeks? It makes a huge difference in how this is viewed and debated upon

Even then, I cant see a parent forcing even a 15 year old minor to carry a child born of rape. Its impossible to impose that sort of will upon the psyche of a child if they are adamantly against carrying. I mean I would try and talk my kid into carrying and then putting up for adoption if she didnt want it, but I cant see imposing my will to force her to carry. What then if she retaliates? Are you gonna throw her out if she does something to induce an abortion in an unsafe way? Sorry, even certain aspects of abortion arent black and white.
 
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Troy7:
I have some questions
  1. How long was the time frame from the rape and the pill the girl took?
  2. If its within a certain amount of time, I am under the belief the Church allows this because there is in effect NO PREGANCY to terminate.
I didnt watch the show, thats why I ask. I just dont like the words miscarry on purpose and abortion when there may not have been one. I beleive the church allows for a very short window of time to take a pill that prevents conception in cases of rape… was this show within hours of the rape or days and weeks? It makes a huge difference in how this is viewed and debated upon

Even then, I cant see a parent forcing even a 15 year old minor to carry a child born of rape. Its impossible to impose that sort of will upon the psyche of a child if they are adamantly against carrying. I mean I would try and talk my kid into carrying and then putting up for adoption if she didnt want it, but I cant see imposing my will to force her to carry. What then if she retaliates? Are you gonna throw her out if she does something to induce an abortion in an unsafe way? Sorry, even certain aspects of abortion arent black and white.
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  1. She didn’t get a pill. The doctor inserted something that made the opening of the cervix larger. I don’t know if it was left in place. Doctor said this may induce miscarriage the next day. They used the medical term, but I forget it. Seven weeks from rape.
  2. The OB doctor showed the girl a heartbeat on the sonogram.
  3. The girl said to the doctors she did not want the pregnancy. The parents said to the doctors that she did. The doctor asked the girl and she said she didn’t. The attending doctor took another doctor off the case when she was obviously pushing termination. Then he asked the girl what she wanted.
  4. I watched a TIVO copy of the show one hour ago. I thought it was a good show.
 
I bailed when Carrie “discovered” that she was a lesbian in one of the most unconvincing and unrealistic sequences ever filmed in a medium whose hallmark is unconvincing and unrealistic fantasy.
 
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Troy7:
I have some questions
  1. How long was the time frame from the rape and the pill the girl took?
  2. If its within a certain amount of time, I am under the belief the Church allows this because there is in effect NO PREGANCY to terminate.
I didnt watch the show, thats why I ask. I just dont like the words miscarry on purpose and abortion when there may not have been one. I beleive the church allows for a very short window of time to take a pill that prevents conception in cases of rape… was this show within hours of the rape or days and weeks? It makes a huge difference in how this is viewed and debated upon

Even then, I cant see a parent forcing even a 15 year old minor to carry a child born of rape. Its impossible to impose that sort of will upon the psyche of a child if they are adamantly against carrying. I mean I would try and talk my kid into carrying and then putting up for adoption if she didnt want it, but I cant see imposing my will to force her to carry. What then if she retaliates? Are you gonna throw her out if she does something to induce an abortion in an unsafe way? Sorry, even certain aspects of abortion arent black and white.
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In this case, there had been an ultrasound that clearly showed a baby…

Why punish the baby for what someone else has done? The baby has every right to live…
 
So have I…I watched a DVR copy about thirty minutes ago, and was simply disgusted…I haven’t watched this show for a very long time…Just happened to copy this one. My last, that’s for sure!
 
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Troy7:
I have some questions
  1. How long was the time frame from the rape and the pill the girl took?
  2. If its within a certain amount of time, I am under the belief the Church allows this because there is in effect NO PREGANCY to terminate.
I didnt watch the show, thats why I ask. I just dont like the words miscarry on purpose and abortion when there may not have been one. I beleive the church allows for a very short window of time to take a pill that prevents conception in cases of rape… was this show within hours of the rape or days and weeks? It makes a huge difference in how this is viewed and debated upon

Even then, I cant see a parent forcing even a 15 year old minor to carry a child born of rape. Its impossible to impose that sort of will upon the psyche of a child if they are adamantly against carrying. I mean I would try and talk my kid into carrying and then putting up for adoption if she didnt want it, but I cant see imposing my will to force her to carry. What then if she retaliates? Are you gonna throw her out if she does something to induce an abortion in an unsafe way? Sorry, even certain aspects of abortion arent black and white.
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abortion is wrong in any case.
 
Initially the girl didn’t even consider having an abortion. When it was suggested as an option, she said, “No… that would be going against God.” Her parents were very supportive of her & said that together they’d get through it. Later, when Luca asked if she wanted to have the baby - of course she said no. She was only 15… no suprise there… but he’s the one who convinced her that she should insert this “thing” in her body to cause a miscarrage. When she asked him, “But is it is a sin?” He lied and said, “well it’s the medical way we have of giving God a 2nd chance.” Uhhh… sorry… God isn’t the one killing the baby… the medicine inserted into her body is. What’s so ridiculous to me -as the mother of a child just 2 years younger than that girl - without her parents’ permission couldn’t get a tattoo… she couldn’t get her ears pierced - couldn’t go see an R rated movie - and here in Chicago she’d have to be home before curfew which is 10 (I believe) on a school night. Yet she can make the snap decision to terminate the life of her child with the assistance of a doctor who just heard the parents say the exact opposite. We’re talking a 15 year old… that is THEIR CHILD. Since when do parents have no rights?

Pathetic.
 
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Initially the girl didn’t even consider having an abortion. When it was suggested as an option, she said, “No… that would be going against God.” Her parents were very supportive of her & said that together they’d get through it. Later, when Luca asked if she wanted to have the baby - of course she said no. She was only 15… no suprise there… but he’s the one who convinced her that she should insert this “thing” in her body to cause a miscarrage. When she asked him, “But is it is a sin?” He lied and said, “well it’s the medical way we have of giving God a 2nd chance.” Uhhh… sorry… God isn’t the one killing the baby… the medicine inserted into her body is. What’s so ridiculous to me -as the mother of a child just 2 years younger than that girl - without her parents’ permission couldn’t get a tattoo… she couldn’t get her ears pierced - couldn’t go see an R rated movie - and here in Chicago she’d have to be home before curfew which is 10 (I believe) on a school night. Yet she can make the snap decision to terminate the life of her child with the assistance of a doctor who just heard the parents say the exact opposite. We’re talking a 15 year old… that is THEIR CHILD. Since when do parents have no rights?

Pathetic.
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Since the state legislature enacted the law.
 
Remember, too, that the young teen had just been told she was pregnant. And, she revealed the rape for the first time. She had no counselling to help her make a decision. She was ambivalent and in shock. The show protrayed the Doctors rescuing her from her parents–inducing the abortion quickly before she could fall under their influence and care.

The show clearly identified Luca as Catholic. This made me flinch since he was so clearly not living a Catholic lifestyle. When Nela challenges him on his Catholicism affecting his judgement, he has this ephipany and goes in and talks the young girl into an immediate abortion.

As for the girl being an emancipated minor by virtue of her pregnancy, the show regularly ignores the law to advance whatever “virtue” they are promoting. If the law would have been to inform the parents, the doctors would have lied. It is seen as a virtue to ignore the law if it interferes with the care of a patient.

I remember one episode where a harried mother of five (the kids were wild brats) and her health was suffering from caring for such a big family-- was talked into an abortion and rushed upstairs for one. The husband showed up figured out what was going on and ran to talk to his wife. She had all ready had the abortion. Then, the woman told the doctor it was okay, her husband forgave her and they would try for another soon. I think the message here was that anyone who has a big family is nuts. Your kids will ruin your health and be out of control.

I liked the show much better when it was not commenting negatively on traditional values and did not feature so much sleeping around of its staff.
 
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Remember, too, that the young teen had just been told she was pregnant. And, she revealed the rape for the first time. She had no counselling to help her make a decision. She was ambivalent and in shock. The show protrayed the Doctors rescuing her from her parents–inducing the abortion quickly before she could fall under their influence and care.

The show clearly identified Luca as Catholic. This made me flinch since he was so clearly not living a Catholic lifestyle. When Nela challenges him on his Catholicism affecting his judgement, he has this ephipany and goes in and talks the young girl into an immediate abortion.

As for the girl being an emancipated minor by virtue of her pregnancy, the show regularly ignores the law to advance whatever “virtue” they are promoting. If the law would have been to inform the parents, the doctors would have lied. It is seen as a virtue to ignore the law if it interferes with the care of a patient.

I remember one episode where a harried mother of five (the kids were wild brats) and her health was suffering from caring for such a big family-- was talked into an abortion and rushed upstairs for one. The husband showed up figured out what was going on and ran to talk to his wife. She had all ready had the abortion. Then, the woman told the doctor it was okay, her husband forgave her and they would try for another soon. I think the message here was that anyone who has a big family is nuts. Your kids will ruin your health and be out of control.

I liked the show much better when it was not commenting negatively on traditional values and did not feature so much sleeping around of its staff.
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Excellent post …very well stated 👍
 
JMJ Theresa:
I remember one episode where a harried mother of five (the kids were wild brats) and her health was suffering from caring for such a big family-- was talked into an abortion and rushed upstairs for one. The husband showed up figured out what was going on and ran to talk to his wife. She had all ready had the abortion. Then, the woman told the doctor it was okay, her husband forgave her and they would try for another soon. I think the message here was that anyone who has a big family is nuts. Your kids will ruin your health and be out of control.

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I remember that episode. In the first scene in which the woman appeared, Abby the nurse made some snide comment to her about the fact that she had lots of kids.

I don’t remember what exactly the comment was – but it was pretty snide. Something like “no wonder you’re so sick” or something.

It was terrible. It was implying, very much implying, that (as you said) having kids is somehow bad for your health.

I used to Net-chat with a woman in Iowa who had six kids. The unwarranted, snide, and sometimes nasty comments she heard from people (which she wrote me about) were just awful. Perhaps shows like that “ER” episode help put people into that mentality, where they think that having many kids is something bad or undesirable.
 
JMJ Theresa:
Remember, too, that the young teen had just been told she was pregnant. And, she revealed the rape for the first time. She had no counselling to help her make a decision. She was ambivalent and in shock. The show protrayed the Doctors rescuing her from her parents–inducing the abortion quickly before she could fall under their influence and care.

The show clearly identified Luca as Catholic. This made me flinch since he was so clearly not living a Catholic lifestyle. When Nela challenges him on his Catholicism affecting his judgement, he has this ephipany and goes in and talks the young girl into an immediate abortion.

As for the girl being an emancipated minor by virtue of her pregnancy, the show regularly ignores the law to advance whatever “virtue” they are promoting. If the law would have been to inform the parents, the doctors would have lied. It is seen as a virtue to ignore the law if it interferes with the care of a patient.

I remember one episode where a harried mother of five (the kids were wild brats) and her health was suffering from caring for such a big family-- was talked into an abortion and rushed upstairs for one. The husband showed up figured out what was going on and ran to talk to his wife. She had all ready had the abortion. Then, the woman told the doctor it was okay, her husband forgave her and they would try for another soon. I think the message here was that anyone who has a big family is nuts. Your kids will ruin your health and be out of control.

I liked the show much better when it was not commenting negatively on traditional values and did not feature so much sleeping around of its staff.
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Luca did not talk the girl into an abortion. He asked her what she wanted. The famale Indian doctor was trying to talk the girl into an abortion. He removed her from the case.
 
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