I just watched my last ER episode last night

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Ortho:
Luca did not talk the girl into an abortion. He asked her what she wanted. The famale Indian doctor was trying to talk the girl into an abortion. He removed her from the case.
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He may not have talked her into it… but he did sort of hand it to her on a silver platter. Earlier, when he quoted the Bible verse from Genesis she asked him if he were a Christian… he said yes. Then later… when he asked her if she wanted to have the baby and she said no… he right away offered that “thing” to cause miscarrage. She asked if it was a sin and he said, “NO… it’s the medical way of giving God a second chance.” What a load of garbage. So here’s this 15 year old girl… listening to her “Chrisitan” doctor & accepting that what she’s doing isn’t “going against God” which is what she previously felt. Also… Luca said, “The baby will just fall out” - making it sound even more natural… :nope:

When she said she didn’t want the baby - and I doubt very many 15 year olds would say they want to have a baby - he could’ve said, "Your parents will help you get through this… talk to your Pastor… there are organizations in place to help you… etc. etc. Rather than… OK… take this… and the baby will fall out. Because once the baby is dead - it’s dead.
 
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Troy7:
  1. If its within a certain amount of time, I am under the belief the Church allows this because there is in effect NO PREGANCY to terminate.
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This part of your question was not sufficiently answered.

The morning-after pill works the same way as the pill in general. It’s just a very high-hormone version and there are 2 or 3 given.

This is how it works:
  • it may prevent ovulation
  • if ovulation has already occurred or ovulation occurrs in spite of the hormones, the lining of the uterus is changed, hardened, and flushed.
  • the above prevents implantation, and if implantation occurrs, the embryo is flushed out of the body, thus it is an abortion.
Therefore, the morning after pill, commonly known as “Plan B” is NOT allowed under Catholic moral teaching.
 
Troy7,

And I wanted to add one more thing… she was given pictures of her baby that were taken from the ultra sound. There was no question that she was pregnant already.
 
carol marie:
He may not have talked her into it… but he did sort of hand it to her on a silver platter. Earlier, when he quoted the Bible verse from Genesis she asked him if he were a Christian… he said yes. Then later… when he asked her if she wanted to have the baby and she said no… he right away offered that “thing” to cause miscarrage. She asked if it was a sin and he said, “NO… it’s the medical way of giving God a second chance.” What a load of garbage. So here’s this 15 year old girl… listening to her “Chrisitan” doctor & accepting that what she’s doing isn’t “going against God” which is what she previously felt. Also… Luca said, “The baby will just fall out” - making it sound even more natural… :nope:

When she said she didn’t want the baby - and I doubt very many 15 year olds would say they want to have a baby - he could’ve said, "Your parents will help you get through this… talk to your Pastor… there are organizations in place to help you… etc. etc. Rather than… OK… take this… and the baby will fall out. Because once the baby is dead - it’s dead.
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He could have done everything you say. The theme of the show was choice. Both a 15 year-old and a 37 year were faced with the same choice.
 
NBC and ER could redeem themselves by having the girl return to the ER in an upcoming episode after a drug overdose or suicide attempt. It could be brought out that she became depressed after the abortion and felt so guilty about it she turned to self-destructive behavior.

This would be better and more accurate reality.
 
ARGHHHH!

I was SO mad! I’ve never missed a show and have never been more mad.
I could see Luca as a fallen Catholic. We all have spiritual battles - and he certainly has his disfunctional share. Didn’t agree with it and as usual wondered, "Why oh why is it always a Catholic and not some other denomination?!"
I could see that this girl had some tough choices to make.
I completely agreed 100% with the parents.
I completely agreed 100% with the poor girl too. I have enough compassion to understand how hard and terrifying her situation and emotions must have been. Who here would be thrilled to be pregnant in her shoes? BUT this was a very shaken and brave girl. She made it very clear that although she didn’t want the baby - she DID want to do the right thing. Even it meant having the baby. She was in shock and should have recieved couseling, which I think her parents (who she trusted) would have helped get. These things were denied her.
You know I got really angry when Luca LIED to this girl! He tells her the thing he will insert into her vagina will cause her “fetus to fall out” and it will look and feel like a miscarriage. She asks him, “Is that a sin?” And he says something like, "It gives God a chance to rethink this."
**Was I the only person leaning out of their chair shouting, “He’s going straight to hell!” when Luca said that?!:mad: **
Then he encourages her to lie to her parents. She asks what she should say to her parents and he tells her they’ll just think it’s a miscarriage and to let them continue thinking that.
He was giving her a form of abortion. Period. It he had told her what he was doing was a form of abortion, that young girl would have said no and he knew it. He purposely manipulated her emotions. Where’s her “choice” in that? Where’s the “informed consent” in that?
As for Abby and Luca, I think they are 2 prime idiots that deserve each other.
 
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DeniseR:
NBC and ER could redeem themselves by having the girl return to the ER in an upcoming episode after a drug overdose or suicide attempt. It could be brought out that she became depressed after the abortion and felt so guilty about it she turned to self-destructive behavior.

This would be better and more accurate reality.
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I suppose they could also have her return as a well adjusted and happy candy-striper.
 
Wow, you guys are pretty into this show! :eek: I mean, you’re talking like these are real people…
 
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spiritblows:
Wow, you guys are pretty into this show! :eek: I mean, you’re talking like these are real people…
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The issue is not the characters in the show, or even the show by itself. It’s just part of a larger issue, the pushing of a secular-humanist and anti-religious agenda in our popular culture.

It’s not just on ER.
 
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Ortho:
He could have done everything you say. The theme of the show was choice. Both a 15 year-old and a 37 year were faced with the same choice.
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There was also a third person involved. A very young one. But that person apparently didn’t have any choice at all.
 
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DeniseR:
NBC and ER could redeem themselves by having the girl return to the ER in an upcoming episode after a drug overdose or suicide attempt. It could be brought out that she became depressed after the abortion and felt so guilty about it she turned to self-destructive behavior.

This would be better and more accurate reality.
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Or let her reside in a state where her parents can force her to carry to term against her will. They could then do an episode where the deep depression causes her to jump off a 5 story building. Luka can be in the hospital room telling her parents that she probably won’t make it thru the night when the Police come in to arrest her for the murder of her unborn child…

Hmmmm the ER story possibilities are endless.
 
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spiritblows:
Wow, you guys are pretty into this show! :eek: I mean, you’re talking like these are real people…
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:rotfl: Naw. I know they aren’t real people.
But the point of theatre & literature in whatever form is to make the characters “come alive” and be believable!
**I think what bothers many, or at least myself, is that this scenario was all too easy to picture in real life. This really wasn’t too crazy a skit to imagine happening in reality - if only it were.😦 **
 
Rob’s Wife said:
:rotfl: Naw. I know they aren’t real people.
But the point of theatre & literature in whatever form is to make the characters “come alive” and be believable!
**I think what bothers many, or at least myself, is that this scenario was all too easy to picture in real life. This really wasn’t too crazy a skit to imagine happening in reality - if only it were.😦 **
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Dear Rob’s wife,
No, I don’t think this scenario is one that you would find happening in any ER, anywhere. Morning after Pill, yes, that is standard procedure. Dialation of cervix, nope, not done in any ER, anywhere. That is in no way an emergency procedure, and would not be offered.

As far as TV promoting the liberal agenda, well that’s another story. Yes, it sounds like ER is doing that without much restraint.
 
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Bella3502:
Or let her reside in a state where her parents can force her to carry to term against her will. They could then do an episode where the deep depression causes her to jump off a 5 story building. Luka can be in the hospital room telling her parents that she probably won’t make it thru the night when the Police come in to arrest her for the murder of her unborn child…

Hmmmm the ER story possibilities are endless.
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Yeah, the pro-aborts really love dramatic scenarios like that. It’s one of the overemotional ways they try to justify the annual slaughter of one and a half million unborn American babies.
 
I quit watchin it when Cari came out and was arguing with a family member who did not approve and said “You shouldn’t be dissappointed in me, you should be dissappointed in the limitations of your religion” AArrgghh.
 
Little Mary:
I quit watchin it when Cari came out and was arguing with a family member who did not approve and said “You shouldn’t be dissappointed in me, you should be dissappointed in the limitations of your religion” AArrgghh.
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That’s what you call ‘lame dialogue’ :rolleyes:

You know what show I thought was well written? Golden Girls! Now that was one cleverly written show! 😃
 
Julia E:
Yeah, the pro-aborts really love dramatic scenarios like that. It’s one of the overemotional ways they try to justify the annual slaughter of one and a half million unborn American babies.
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:clapping: Well said.
 
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Bella3502:
Or let her reside in a state where her parents can force her to carry to term against her will. They could then do an episode where the deep depression causes her to jump off a 5 story building. Luka can be in the hospital room telling her parents that she probably won’t make it thru the night when the Police come in to arrest her for the murder of her unborn child…

Hmmmm the ER story possibilities are endless.
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**You will NEVER see them have a woman commit suicide because she has had an abortion!!!Why?Because they are ignored!:mad: **
 
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spiritblows:
Dear Rob’s wife,
No, I don’t think this scenario is one that you would find happening in any ER, anywhere. Morning after Pill, yes, that is standard procedure. Dialation of cervix, nope, not done in any ER, anywhere. That is in no way an emergency procedure, and would not be offered.

As far as TV promoting the liberal agenda, well that’s another story. Yes, it sounds like ER is doing that without much restraint.
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Hmmm, I beg to differ based on family experience.
I think on the one hand you would be right because this was not an “emergency” situation - the girl didn’t go in for rape, she went in for stomache pains. The rape happened approx. over a month before she went into the ER - big difference.
However, for cases of immediate rape treatment - they do a “cocktail” deal in here. They do a D & C, rape kit, offer morning after pill, or give a weeks worth of high-dose birth control pills. NO ONE except investigators and medical staff are permitted to be with the victim until the entire procedure is over and the patient is ready to be discharged with recommendations on counseling.
 
Dear Rob’s wife,
I cannot see how a D and C would be indicated immediately after a rape. The morning after pill can prevent a pregnancy, but a D and C would only be indicated if the pregnancy was already implanted in the uterine wall, which as you probably know doesn’t occur immediately. I’m sure you know that fertilization occurs in the fallopian tube.

I’ll have to look into this. I know a woman who is a PA who does the rape protocol for an ER, and I’ll ask her what they do there.
 
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