I just watched my last ER episode last night

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spiritblows:
Dear Rob’s wife,
I cannot see how a D and C would be indicated immediately after a rape. The morning after pill can prevent a pregnancy, but a D and C would only be indicated if the pregnancy was already implanted in the uterine wall, which as you probably know doesn’t occur immediately. I’m sure you know that fertilization occurs in the fallopian tube.

I’ll have to look into this. I know a woman who is a PA who does the rape protocol for an ER, and I’ll ask her what they do there.
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:yup: **I know. I didn’t think a D&C made sense either and said so. The dr. said it was to assure the patient had no concerns about a pregnancy whatsoever - in other words no question about “is this my dh’s or the rapists”? Now you and I know things don’t work that way, but apparently this is not done for medical reasons - it’s done for the patient’s “psychological health.” It appears the vast majority of men and women do NOT understand the details of early pregnancy and thus have these unneccessary worries. Rather than educate a patient during a tramatic time - this method is deemed better or easier on the patient.😦 **
 
Oh, I see the reasoning. How awful. It must be terrible to be raped. A lot of men would have a big problem with their wives being raped, then them getting pregnant, etc, not knowing who the father of the baby is.

Actually, I think pressure from men probably contributes to a lot of abortions in the world, if not most of them. Really, I just don’t know what to say except I feel sorry for these women. Ugh, I can’t imagine how awful it must be to be raped. 😦
 
Julia E:
Yeah, the pro-aborts really love dramatic scenarios like that. It’s one of the overemotional ways they try to justify the annual slaughter of one and a half million unborn American babies.
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I’d say emotion runs very strong for both pro-aborts and anti-aborts.
 
Rob’s Wife said:
Hmmm, I beg to differ based on family experience.
I think on the one hand you would be right because this was not an “emergency” situation - the girl didn’t go in for rape, she went in for stomache pains. The rape happened approx. over a month before she went into the ER - big difference.
However, for cases of immediate rape treatment - they do a “cocktail” deal in here. They do a D & C, rape kit, offer morning after pill, or give a weeks worth of high-dose birth control pills. NO ONE except investigators and medical staff are permitted to be with the victim until the entire procedure is over and the patient is ready to be discharged with recommendations on counseling.
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Would parents of a 15-year-old be allowed to be with the victim prior to the patient being ready for discharge?
 
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Ortho:
Would parents of a 15-year-old be allowed to be with the victim prior to the patient being ready for discharge?
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No. In the case of our family it was a 13 year old and her mother during a break-in. They were seperated from each other even.
 
Rob’s Wife said:
No. In the case of our family it was a 13 year old and her mother during a break-in. They were seperated from each other even.
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So, if my 13 year old was raped, the ER would perform these abortive (“preventive”) procedures without my consent and wouldn’t allow me any where near her until after they were done??? :eek:
 
Little Mary:
So, if my 13 year old was raped, the ER would perform these abortive (“preventive”) procedures without my consent and wouldn’t allow me any where near her until after they were done??? :eek:
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I don’t know the answer to that… but I do know that when my friend took her 14 year old daughter to her pediatrician for a check-up they asked the Mom to step out of the room. The doctor said she needed to “respect” her daughter’s privacy… the Mom left the room - sort of angry… but she didn’t want to make a big scene. Afterwards, her daughter said the doctor asked her if she was sexually active and would she like to be put on BIRTH CONTROL.? This is a girl who has vowed not to kiss a boy until she is married !!!
 
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So, if my 13 year old was raped, the ER would perform these abortive (“preventive”) procedures without my consent and wouldn’t allow me any where near her until after they were done??? :eek:
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carol marie:
I don’t know the answer to that… but I do know that when my friend took her 14 year old daughter to her pediatrician for a check-up they asked the Mom to step out of the room. The doctor said she needed to “respect” her daughter’s privacy… the Mom left the room - sort of angry… but she didn’t want to make a big scene. Afterwards, her daughter said the doctor asked her if she was sexually active and would she like to be put on BIRTH CONTROL.? This is a girl who has vowed not to kiss a boy until she is married !!!
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In a nutshell… yes. The drs./hospitals say the minor doesn’t need you there for support or to clarify things (like translating medical jargon or to ask questions) because there is the dr. is right there and if the dr. is not the same gender, a nurse is supposed to be present too.
What’s worse is they may not tell you anything that went on during that time because it is protected as patient/dr. confidence.
 
carol marie:
I don’t know the answer to that… but I do know that when my friend took her 14 year old daughter to her pediatrician for a check-up they asked the Mom to step out of the room. The doctor said she needed to “respect” her daughter’s privacy… the Mom left the room - sort of angry… but she didn’t want to make a big scene. Afterwards, her daughter said the doctor asked her if she was sexually active and would she like to be put on BIRTH CONTROL.? This is a girl who has vowed not to kiss a boy until she is married !!!
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I think my daughters won’t be getting any checkups when they’re teenagers! :eek: What’s the world come to??? :eek:
 
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Troy7:
I have some questions
  1. How long was the time frame from the rape and the pill the girl took?
  2. If its within a certain amount of time, I am under the belief the Church allows this because there is in effect NO PREGANCY to terminate.
I didnt watch the show, thats why I ask. I just dont like the words miscarry on purpose and abortion when there may not have been one. I beleive the church allows for a very short window of time to take a pill that prevents conception in cases of rape… was this show within hours of the rape or days and weeks? It makes a huge difference in how this is viewed and debated upon

Even then, I cant see a parent forcing even a 15 year old minor to carry a child born of rape. Its impossible to impose that sort of will upon the psyche of a child if they are adamantly against carrying. I mean I would try and talk my kid into carrying and then putting up for adoption if she didnt want it, but I cant see imposing my will to force her to carry. What then if she retaliates? Are you gonna throw her out if she does something to induce an abortion in an unsafe way? Sorry, even certain aspects of abortion arent black and white.
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She was not given a morning after pill but a laminaria was inserted, by the Catholic Doctor, to cause an intentional miscarriage. The girl was portrayed as emotional and unsure as to what she wanted to do. She was changing her mind throughout the show. A parent must give medical consent for everything except an abortion? The girl was not informed of the dangers inherent in the abortion procedure, that she would need a D &C after the “miscarriage”
 
Rob’s Wife said:
In a nutshell… yes. The drs./hospitals say the minor doesn’t need you there for support or to clarify things (like translating medical jargon or to ask questions) because there is the dr. is right there and if the dr. is not the same gender, a nurse is supposed to be present too.

What’s worse is they may not tell you anything that went on during that time because it is protected as patient/dr. confidence.
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In an instance like this can’t the underage daughter say “I waive my right to privacy with my parents. I want my mom here.”

I once had this same experience in the ER when I had a migraine headache at 14. The docs asked if I could be pregnant. They also asked if I wanted birth control. I was outraged that they would assume I was sexually active!
 
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Peace-bwu:
In an instance like this can’t the underage daughter say “I waive my right to privacy with my parents. I want my mom here.”

I once had this same experience in the ER when I had a migraine headache at 14. The docs asked if I could be pregnant. They also asked if I wanted birth control. I was outraged that they would assume I was sexually active!
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In a non-emergency situation such as dr. appt. they are required by law to allow you (anyone) to have a patient advocate present if you request it - in that case it could be a parent. They would give the kid hell about it though and really push to not have anyone other than maybe another nurse present.
In the case of the emergency rape situation - no. The reasoning given when our family dealt with this was that it was a criminal investigation and they did not want the prime witness to be influenced or evidence contaminated.
 
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Peace-bwu:
In an instance like this can’t the underage daughter say “I waive my right to privacy with my parents. I want my mom here.”

I once had this same experience in the ER when I had a migraine headache at 14. The docs asked if I could be pregnant. They also asked if I wanted birth control. I was outraged that they would assume I was sexually active!
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Why the outrage? It’s a legitimate medical question.
 
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Ortho:
Why the outrage? It’s a legitimate medical question.
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Because she (as she clearly pointed out in her post) was a minor at the time.

I think it’s perfectly fine for a practicing Catholic to be at least a bit upset when the assumption is made that a 14-yr old might need birth control.

Not to mention, she was being seen for migraines. For a health care professional to ask a 14-yr old if she wants birth control in this situation is not only morally dubious at best, but also medically irrelevant.
 
Asking if she could be pregnant actually is very legitamate because there are many meds that are contraindicated for pregnant women due to danger to the babe.

Offering birth control, on the other hand, is really out of line.
 
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spiritblows:
Asking if she could be pregnant actually is very legitamate because there are many meds that are contraindicated for pregnant women due to danger to the babe.

Offering birth control, on the other hand, is really out of line.
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I agree that asking if she could be pregnant is, undeniably, medically necessary – especially when prescribing meds or administering certain treatments.

But offering birth control to a 14 yr old? Anyone who thinks this is okay doesn’t seem to realize that it’s basically the same as giving the kid permission to go out and have sex.

It also shows a callous disregard for the parents, and the possibility that they are trying to raise her to keep herself a virgin till marriage.

I know, I know, it’s only a TV show … but anyone who thinks these shows (especially a “serious drama” like “ER”) don’t have an effect on people’s behavior is either ignorant or in denial.
 
Julia E:
Because she (as she clearly pointed out in her post) was a minor at the time.

I think it’s perfectly fine for a practicing Catholic to be at least a bit upset when the assumption is made that a 14-yr old might need birth control.

Not to mention, she was being seen for migraines. For a health care professional to ask a 14-yr old if she wants birth control in this situation is not only morally dubious at best, but also medically irrelevant.
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Minors engage in sex. Lots of them do. Catholic minors do it, too. Lots of them get pregnant. Pregnancy can effect medical diagnosis and treatment. It is responsible and necessary for medical personnel to ask such questions.
 
aimee said:
:hmmm: you say ‘why the outrage’ …why don’t you seem to care?
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Care about what? I care that people are given the best medical treatment. That includes asking about pregnancy.
 
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