I just watched my last ER episode last night

[JMJ_Theresa]

Hey, stop your personal argument on my thread! pm each other. Though I wouldn’t want the purgatory time myself.

 

[Ortho]

Mom of one:

Me, specifically? No. But you did post this on this thread, in reply to someone’s else’s rude comment, so what is someone supposed to think?

I didn’t think Liberalsaved made a rude comment, and I certainly wasn’t referring to him.

One can think whatever they choose. If the description I provided fits them, then they can think I am referring to them. If it does not, then they can think it does not.

 

[Ortho]

JMJ Theresa:

Hey, stop your personal argument on my thread! pm each other. Though I wouldn’t want the purgatory time myself.

Do I detect the opening shot in a personal argument with the comment about purgatory? Should that comment be in a PM?

 

[aimee]

Ortho:

Do I detect the opening shot in a personal argument with the comment about purgatory? Should that comment be in a PM?

Looks like it fits …

 

[Mom_of_one]

JMJ Theresa:

Hey, stop your personal argument on my thread! pm each other. Though I wouldn’t want the purgatory time myself.

No argument was intentional on my part, and it certainly wasn’t personal as he never said anything rude about me specifically. My intention was to keep the thread on topic and not have nasty comments made. There is no call for nasty and snide comments, hinting that we think that we are better than others.

 

[Ortho]

I’d say many people think they are better than others. No need to hint.

 

[JMJ_Theresa]

whoa…folks, just trying to inject a little humor about the purgatory crack. You guys need to chill. I certainly wasn’t trying to infer anyone was going to spend extra time in purgatory. I sincerely apologize. However, at least you are on the same team ganging up on me! I’m glad I could bring people together.

 

[Mom_of_one]

Ortho:

I’d say many people think they are better than others. No need to hint.

OK, that is true that many people do think this, but we have not claimed that here. So, I didn’t think that it was a necessary comment on this thread.

 

[Mom_of_one]

JMJ Theresa:

whoa…folks, just trying to inject a little humor about the purgatory crack. You guys need to chill. I certainly wasn’t trying to infer anyone was going to spend extra time in purgatory. I sincerely apologize. However, at least you are on the same team ganging up on me! I’m glad I could bring people together.

Now that is a positive attitude.

Anyway, better more time in purgatory than any time in hell.

 

[Ortho]

Mom of one:

OK, that is true that many people do think this, but we have not claimed that here. So, I didn’t think that it was a necessary comment on this thread.

I guess we disagree. I find the attitude of superiority most prevalent on religiously oriented boards. Some of those who consider they have a channel and relationship to God through their religion that is unavalable by any other means think they are better than others. When these folks get together, they reinforce that notion by telling each other they are right.

Extremism tends to flourish in like-minded groups since the like-minded fail to constrain moderate error among themselves. They tend to give a pass to the silly statements made by their fellows, and instead concentrate their animus on people outside their particular circle.

Perhaps the participants on a given board are universally humble. That would be a statistical anomaly, but within the range of possibilities.

 

[axolotl]

JMJ Theresa:

Remember, too, that the young teen had just been told she was pregnant. And, she revealed the rape for the first time. She had no counselling to help her make a decision. She was ambivalent and in shock. The show protrayed the Doctors rescuing her from her parents–inducing the abortion quickly before she could fall under their influence and care.

The show clearly identified Luca as Catholic. This made me flinch since he was so clearly not living a Catholic lifestyle. When Nela challenges him on his Catholicism affecting his judgement, he has this ephipany and goes in and talks the young girl into an immediate abortion.

As for the girl being an emancipated minor by virtue of her pregnancy, the show regularly ignores the law to advance whatever “virtue” they are promoting. If the law would have been to inform the parents, the doctors would have lied. It is seen as a virtue to ignore the law if it interferes with the care of a patient.

I remember one episode where a harried mother of five (the kids were wild brats) and her health was suffering from caring for such a big family-- was talked into an abortion and rushed upstairs for one. The husband showed up figured out what was going on and ran to talk to his wife. She had all ready had the abortion. Then, the woman told the doctor it was okay, her husband forgave her and they would try for another soon. I think the message here was that anyone who has a big family is nuts. Your kids will ruin your health and be out of control.

I liked the show much better when it was not commenting negatively on traditional values and did not feature so much sleeping around of its staff.

Another episode I remember is Dr. Dellamico (Maria Bello) treating a woman with Hyperemisis Gravidarum. The woman was refusing any drugs because of the affect they may have on the baby, and the Dr. was trying to get her to balance out the riska, as her condition isn’t good for the baby. The husband was pushing the Dr. to just terminate the pregnancy. Then he became angry and told he should have known to get a different doc, as Italian last name = Catholic= no abortion.

Here is a blog of a woman who chose to terminate in the second trimester due to HG, her journal of an HG preganancy she carried to term, and the story of her terminated pregnancy.

 

[Consecrated]

JMJ Theresa:

I’ve been watching it from the get go. I did take a brief break when they were deep into Cari discovering her gay identity. I remember one episode that year when it opened with five couples in bed (talking). None were married and two of them were women.

Now another unmarried cast member is pregnant–I counted seven unmarried pregnancies among the main cast.

Last night, Abby and a 15 year old rape victim were both trying to decided about an abortion. Lots of “choice” words were thrown about. The Catholic doctor (yes, the promiscuous one who doesn’t practice his faith) eventually talks the devoutly Christian rape victim into have the miscarriage. Surprisingly, her devout parents were protrayed as trully kind people (though,obviously very misguided). He also performed the abortion immediately without counsellling and without informing the parents.

NBC has turned into abortion and gay rights propaganda central. I am boycotting it, for sure.!!!

The part I found the most offensive is that they made a huge point of reminding the audience about Luka’s so-called religious affiliation right before he went in and did the abortion. The doc that challenged him about it (“Nela”) had NEVER seem him act in any way that could be considered overtly moral, so WHY would she assume he was going to go all “Catholic” and shy away from doing what the girl “obviously wanted”?? It’s such an obvious, sickeningly political slam at religion and Catholics that it really did make me angry. :banghead:

Another thing that made me angry was that “Nela’s” completely over-the-top interference was portrayed as good because she “cares” so much about the patient. Do some docs really think they have the underage patient’s best interest at heart when they shove aside the influence of obviously loving parents to thrust their opinion at the child? I mean, do docs like that really exist?

 

[Little_Mary]

Ortho:

I guess we disagree. I find the attitude of superiority most prevalent on religiously oriented boards. Some of those who consider they have a channel and relationship to God through their religion that is unavalable by any other means think they are better than others. When these folks get together, they reinforce that notion by telling each other they are right.

Extremism tends to flourish in like-minded groups since the like-minded fail to constrain moderate error among themselves. They tend to give a pass to the silly statements made by their fellows, and instead concentrate their animus on people outside their particular circle.

Perhaps the participants on a given board are universally humble. That would be a statistical anomaly, but within the range of possibilities.

Ortho,

This may be because their religion is important to them and they feel a strong desire to “save” all other souls by trying to share it. Not because they feel they are superior, but because they want everyone else to be as excited about what they believe as they are. I am one of those people and I am Catholic, but I’ve seen people of other faiths do the same. The problem is, it probably does come across sometimes as an “I’m better than you” attitude. In most cases (and in my own defence) I would guess that this is unintentional. Furthermore, much is lost in a post as far as tone of voice and body language.

I’ve read a few of your posts and I would venture to guess that you do not so much take this personally as you are just making an observation. Notwithstanding that, please don’t be offended.

This is off topic. Would you be interested in making this subject its own thread elsewhere?

 

[Ortho]

Little Mary:

Ortho,

This may be because their religion is important to them and they feel a strong desire to “save” all other souls by trying to share it. Not because they feel they are superior, but because they want everyone else to be as excited about what they believe as they are. I am one of those people and I am Catholic, but I’ve seen people of other faiths do the same. The problem is, it probably does come across sometimes as an “I’m better than you” attitude. In most cases (and in my own defence) I would guess that this is unintentional. Furthermore, much is lost in a post as far as tone of voice and body language.

I’ve read a few of your posts and I would venture to guess that you do not so much take this personally as you are just making an observation. Notwithstanding that, please don’t be offended.

This is off topic. Would you be interested in making this subject its own thread elsewhere?

Not offended at all. I provided a behavioral observation, and you provided a plausible explanation for it.

And my observation of like-minded groups is not limited to religious groups. It applies to any group defined by acceptance of a particular philosophical proposition. The internet provides a window on groups that one would not normally encounter.

 

[Little_Mary]

Ortho:

Not offended at all. I provided a behavioral observation, and you provided a plausible explanation for it.

And my observation of like-minded groups is not limited to religious groups. It applies to any group defined by acceptance of a particular philosophical proposition. The internet provides a window on groups that one would not normally encounter.

Are you in the field of psychology or something related? Or just interested in such things…?

 

[Ortho]

Little Mary:

Are you in the field of psychology or something related? Or just interested in such things…?

I have many interests and one of them is observing group behavior