I just watched my last ER episode last night

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spiritblows:
Asking if she could be pregnant actually is very legitamate because there are many meds that are contraindicated for pregnant women due to danger to the babe.

Offering birth control, on the other hand, is really out of line.
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I suppose that depends on whether she is sexually active. If she is, it is a very reasonable question. All she has to do is say, “No.”
 
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Ortho:
Minors engage in sex. Lots of them do. Catholic minors do it, too. Lots of them get pregnant. Pregnancy can effect medical diagnosis and treatment. It is responsible and necessary for medical personnel to ask such questions.
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No one is saying that asking about the possibility of pregnancy is not a valid question during an exam at an ER. What people are taking issue with is offering birth control to a minor without asking first whether they might be pregnant or whether they are sexually active - i.e. - presuming. That would be poor medical care and it seemed to be what you were advocating in your post #54. It may have been misunderstood.

I don’t believe that any provider would offer birth control (to a minor or otherwise) without first determining whether the patient was sexually active. Nor do I believe that an ER should be providing birth control at all. ERs treat emergent conditions. Birth control is not an emergent issue.
 
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Ortho:
Care about what? I care that people are given the best medical treatment. That includes asking about pregnancy.
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‘Care about what’ yeah, right :whistle:
 
aimee said:
‘Care about what’ yeah, right :whistle:
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Dear Aimee,
Methinks Ortho has a different POV regarding Cafeteria food than some of us. 😉
 
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Ortho:
Minors engage in sex. Lots of them do. Catholic minors do it, too. Lots of them get pregnant. Pregnancy can effect medical diagnosis and treatment. It is responsible and necessary for medical personnel to ask such questions.
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Asking questions, yes.

Offering birth control to a 14 yr old without even knowing if the kid is actually sexually active? That goes beyond “asking such questions,” sir or madam.

OFFERING contraceptives is not the same as ASKING pertinent medical questions.

And it’s no wonder that “lots of minors engage in sex” when they get the “have sex” message pushed on them by TV shows, by doctors in emergency rooms, and even by their own schools.

That’s the exact message they get when condoms and birth control are waved in front of their faces by adults who are supposed to be authority figures and role models.
 
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OhioBob:
No one is saying that asking about the possibility of pregnancy is not a valid question during an exam at an ER. What people are taking issue with is offering birth control to a minor without asking first whether they might be pregnant or whether they are sexually active - i.e. - presuming. That would be poor medical care and it seemed to be what you were advocating in your post #54. It may have been misunderstood.

I don’t believe that any provider would offer birth control (to a minor or otherwise) without first determining whether the patient was sexually active. Nor do I believe that an ER should be providing birth control at all. ERs treat emergent conditions. Birth control is not an emergent issue.
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It’s reasonable to offer BC to any sexually mature person. If they don’t want it, they just say, “No.”
 
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spiritblows:
Dear Aimee,
Methinks Ortho has a different POV regarding Cafeteria food than some of us. 😉
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Depends on the cafeteria, the selection, and my appetite.
 
Julia E:
Asking questions, yes.

Offering birth control to a 14 yr old without even knowing if the kid is actually sexually active? That goes beyond “asking such questions,” sir or madam.

OFFERING contraceptives is not the same as ASKING pertinent medical questions.

And it’s no wonder that “lots of minors engage in sex” when they get the “have sex” message pushed on them by TV shows, by doctors in emergency rooms, and even by their own schools.

That’s the exact message they get when condoms and birth control are waved in front of their faces by adults who are supposed to be authority figures and role models.
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I agree that asking and offering are two different things.

Kids get the message to have sex from nature. That’s how they are made. Maybe it’s written on their heart.
 
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Ortho:
It’s reasonable to offer BC to any sexually mature person. If they don’t want it, they just say, “No.”
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Is a 14 yr old a “sexually mature” person. Absolutely not. Being “sexually mature” is not simply a matter of being biologically capable of having sex.

If a 14 yr old can’t be considered mature enough to sign a contract financing the purchase of a major appliance, why on earth should we think that he/she IS capable of the far more important decision of having sex and acquiring birth control???
 
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Ortho:
It’s reasonable to offer BC to any sexually mature person. If they don’t want it, they just say, “No.”
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Just as reasonable to give an adult patient a shot of penicillin before asking if they are allergic. They should know to alert the doctor/nurse before hand
 
Asking a minor in the ER if they want/need birth control is not their job! Asking if they could be pregnant is part of their job, esp. if there are treatments that could potentially hurt the unborn baby.

Nor does the ER provide an elective abortion.
 
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CatholicCid:
Just as reasonable to give an adult patient a shot of penicillin before asking if they are allergic. They should know to alert the doctor/nurse before hand
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I’m not sure I understand this. You are saying that this is the patient’s job to let the medical staff know if they are allergic to something?. The nurse and doctor are to always ask-----however, the patient should be aware in case they don’t ask.
 
Mom of one:
I’m not sure I understand this. You are saying that this is the patient’s job to let the medical staff know if they are allergic to something?. The nurse and doctor are to always ask-----however, the patient should be aware in case they don’t ask.
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No, I was saying that a doctor/nurse should ask before assuming something… Such as is a patient sexually active or pregnant or allergic to anything.

I was responding to Ortho saying
It’s reasonable to offer BC to any sexually mature person. If they don’t want it, they just say, “No.”
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In use to your quote, the nurse and doctor are to always ask.
Why give bc to someone who is not sexually active?

Sorry, not the best way to describe it, but lack of sleep slumps my creativity 😛
 
IMO birth control should never be offered to a minor - and to learn that parents are sent away so medical professionals can speak privately to a minor and offer birth control is upsetting to me, to say the least.

I have a 12 year old girl. Sadly, I don’t know what to do now in case of rape. Sounds like going from one type of danger directly into another. :nope:
 
Julia E:
Is a 14 yr old a “sexually mature” person. Absolutely not. Being “sexually mature” is not simply a matter of being biologically capable of having sex.

If a 14 yr old can’t be considered mature enough to sign a contract financing the purchase of a major appliance, why on earth should we think that he/she IS capable of the far more important decision of having sex and acquiring birth control???
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Of course she is sexually mature. Look at all the 14-year-old mothers. How old was Jesus mother?

A 14-yar-old can walk into any store and buy a TV. All they need is money. That’s a contract.

Do you base these decisions on buying TVs? Does Best Buy determine who can get birth control?
 
Mom of one:
Asking a minor in the ER if they want/need birth control is not their job! Asking if they could be pregnant is part of their job, esp. if there are treatments that could potentially hurt the unborn baby.

Nor does the ER provide an elective abortion.
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An ER can provide any service they choose. It’s the choice of the hospital. Many ERs provide basic care for the poor that is not emergency related. That’s their choice.
 
Little Mary:
IMO birth control should never be offered to a minor - and to learn that parents are sent away so medical professionals can speak privately to a minor and offer birth control is upsetting to me, to say the least.

I have a 12 year old girl. Sadly, I don’t know what to do now in case of rape. Sounds like going from one type of danger directly into another. :nope:
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Birth control is offered to minors in every drug store in the country. Racks of condoms and spermicide are openly available.
 
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WanderAimlessly:
Another reason I do not visit the Broadcast channels except for sports.

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Me too. I have never watched ER, or any other MSM trash.
 
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Ortho:
Birth control is offered to minors in every drug store in the country. Racks of condoms and spermicide are openly available.
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That is far different situation from putting an already scared teen in an ER exam room with a strange doctor/nurse and hearing her parents being sent away amidst their protests, and then having abortion and birth control thrown in her lap and basically have an abortion performed when they scarcely know what is happening - and all this after having just experienced the horrors of a rape.
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How could anyone possibly make a good decision under those circumstances?  SHe'll be scared and trying to please the doctor and her parents all at the same time.  Nightmarish.
No Ortho, we are talking about two different things here. It’s one thing for a minor to walk into a drug store and buy something because they want to “have a good time tonight”. What I just described above is a very different set of circumstances.

And, for argument’s sake, there isn’t a doctor in a lab coat standing in the drug store by the condoms sending parents away and forcing the kids to get the birth control.

this thread is a blessing because I am going to prepare my child for this NOW. She will be informed and will expect it coming rather than being hit with it like a brick wall. It is something I never considered before and am glad to have it brought to my attention.

Moms! Talk to your daughters! They need to be in the know!!
 
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