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Before Galileo was silenced he sent the following letter to Kepler.

“My dear Kepler, I wish that we might laugh at the remarkable stupidity of the common herd. What do you have to say about the principal philosophers of this academy who are filled with the stubbornness of an asp and do not want to look at either the planets, the moon or the telescope, even though I have freely and deliberately offered them the opportunity a thousand times? Truly, just as the asp stops its ears, so do these philosophers shut their eyes to the light of truth.”
You do know that the Church–the Catholic Church–financed Galileo’s research, yes?

It was the Church that gave Galileo permission to question.

:hmmm:

So, again, to say that Catholics cannot question and must blindly follow the teachings is to be ignorant of what the Church teaches.
 
Before Galileo was silenced he sent the following letter to Kepler.

“My dear Kepler, I wish that we might laugh at the remarkable stupidity of the common herd. What do you have to say about the principal philosophers of this academy who are filled with the stubbornness of an asp and do not want to look at either the planets, the moon or the telescope, even though I have freely and deliberately offered them the opportunity a thousand times? Truly, just as the asp stops its ears, so do these philosophers shut their eyes to the light of truth.”
So what?
Einstein closed his ears to the Quantum Theory till it became evident that it was true. And it was Einstein, not the Pope.
It is worthwhile to see this link to know what the Cardinals where up to. And these are men 400 after Galileo who should know better! So, to blame the Cardinals is funny:
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That’s what I thought as well. There is so much he could do for his own Church. If he has all this free time to spend in protestant churches (especially bible studies that will teach contrary to Christ and Christ’s Catholic faith) then he isn’t doing as much as he could for his own church. Not that that is wrong, if he’s only fulfilling his obligations, that’s all any of us have to do. But if he is so fired up for Christ and has all this time, why in the world would he not be growing in his own faith?
Hello SaintPatrick,

I mentioned earlier that my wife has been employed by a Protestant Private School for 17 years, and is presently enrolled at a non-denomination Bible College. The ideal situation would be for both of us to stay in the Catholic Church, but that is not the path that God is leading us down. For me to neglect my wife in the name of religious bigotry would lead to an unhappy marriage, and probably to a divorce later?

I might mention that at one time I was in a perfect Catholic marriage with my first wife active in CCD with the children, and then the Lord called her home. I was widowed, and God blessed with this new wife that I have now.

I’m not the one who is writing the script. God is.
 
Hello SaintPatrick,

I mentioned earlier that my wife has been employed by a Protestant Private School for 17 years, and is presently enrolled at a non-denomination Bible College. The ideal situation would be for both of us to stay in the Catholic Church, but that is not the path that God is leading us down. For me to neglect my wife in the name of religious bigotry would lead to an unhappy marriage, and probably to a divorce later?

I might mention that at one time I was in a perfect Catholic marriage with my first wife active in CCD with the children, and then the Lord called her home. I was widowed, and God blessed with this new wife that I have now.

I’m not the one who is writing the script. God is.
I suggest you read about King Solomon in the Old Testament. He let his wives lead him away from the fullness of truth and you can read for yourself how that went.

I think that you mistake “the path that God is leading us down” for the easy path, sacrificing the fullness of truth and thinking of it as “religious bigotry”, which is not at all an accurate assessment of the situation, since this is not about any such thing, but about objective truth and you actually being unequally yoked with a wife who does not share your Catholic faith.

Your wife, attending an a non-denomination Bible College, is not the issue. How will she ever come to the fullness of the truth if you so easily abandon it for the sake of pleasing her. And the Church has always taught us that our first mission field is to those of our own household. I wasted about 35 years of my life outside our most holy faith and have found that it was surprisingly easy to be deceived into believing what I was taught by well meaning people with Bibles. You are near to doing pretty much the same thing. (Read My Testimony)

May the Holy Spirit open your eyes and heart.
 
Hello “Church Militant”

Thanks for the thoughtful write-up. I used to think like you do, but God called my first wife home and set me adrift through life. I just had to leave a Catholic Christmatic Prayer Group after one year for the reasons you stated.

Things have really changed in the Roman Catholic Church, and my Protestant wife is back in Communion with the Pope & United Bishops the same as I was when we had our marriage Convalidated 3 months ago, in time for the Great Easter Vigal on the Saturday eve before Easter Sunday. The priest who married us gave us permission for all this, the Parish Parochial Adminstrator signed it, and the Diocese bought it.

That is why I can’t understand a leader of a Prayer Group (not a Decon) or someone here on the Forum not going along with my Diocese Policy? The group leader said infront if the group that the Priest was in error.

How is it, that the laity and laity group leaders think that they supersede my Diocese? There is something wrong, or maybe the Laity is not being kept up to date with Church policy? Evidently, the new Church Policy is to get mixed couples back into the Church, even if only one attends Mass regularly,

Remember, all it takes is a Saturday afternoon confession to make her eligible for the Euharist on Sunday morning. If was our marriage outside the Catholic Church that had us excommunicated, not my wife’s Protestantism. The priest that just married us 3 months ago, said for us to respect one another’s religion. That is not what I’m hearing here?
 
Hello “Church Militant”

Thanks for the thoughtful write-up. I used to think like you do, but God called my first wife home and set me adrift through life. I just had to leave a Catholic Christmatic Prayer Group after one year for the reasons you stated.

Things have really changed in the Roman Catholic Church, and my Protestant wife is back in Communion with the Pope & United Bishops the same as I was when we had our marriage Convalidated 3 months ago, in time for the Great Easter Vigal on the Saturday eve before Easter Sunday. The priest who married us gave us permission for all this, the Parish Parochial Adminstrator signed it, and the Diocese bought it.

That is why I can’t understand a leader of a Prayer Group (not a Decon) or someone here on the Forum not going along with my Diocese Policy? The group leader said infront if the group that the Priest was in error.

How is it, that the laity and laity group leaders think that they supersede my Diocese? There is something wrong, or maybe the Laity is not being kept up to date with Church policy? Evidently, the new Church Policy is to get mixed couples back into the Church, even if only one attends Mass regularly,

Remember, all it takes is a Saturday afternoon confession to make her eligible for the Euharist on Sunday morning. If was our marriage outside the Catholic Church that had us excommunicated, not my wife’s Protestantism. The priest that just married us 3 months ago, said for us to respect one another’s religion. That is not what I’m hearing here?
 
Hello johndoe100.

I’m confused.

You said that your wife is Catholic, but also refer to her as your “Protestant wife” who attends a different church on Sundays. Is she Catholic or Protestant?

You mentioned that you were a solid Catholic, but also said that even though the ideal situation would be for both of you to stay Catholic, you believe God is leading you down a different path. How solid is that?

You also mentioned that all it takes is a Saturday afternoon confession to make your wife eligible for the Eucharist on Sunday morning. That sounds like she could be purposely doing something “wrong” with the intent to just confess it later. Is she really sorry if she’s pre-planning her confession?

It seems like you want help with your situation. The previous posters sound willing. However, you might need to clear up some things for them.
 
You do know that the Church–the Catholic Church–financed Galileo’s research, yes?

It was the Church that gave Galileo permission to question.

:hmmm:

So, again, to say that Catholics cannot question and must blindly follow the teachings is to be ignorant of what the Church teaches.
The Church silenced Galileo ,sentenced him to house arrest for the remainder of his life, and stopped him questioning the Church’s belief that the sun revolved around the earth. The Church’s belief was based on Scripture (their interpretation). It took the Church some 400 years plus to admit they were wrong.

What I am trying to point out is the fact that all humans can make mistakes. What is wrong is to blindly persist in the mistake without seeking the truth.

Because we are Catholics does not mean we are always right, nor does it mean that we are the only ones to be eligible for salvation.

Luther objected to the selling of indulgences. Do you think all those impoverished peasants who parted with their money were able to redeem these indulgences.

I have, on this forum, already been told that I am not a Catholic, and been threatened that I am being contemptuous of the Catholic Church. An attitude that is neither Catholic or Christian.
Mouthing platitudes does not bring anyone closer to the Truth
 
Hello “Church Militant”

Thanks for the thoughtful write-up. I used to think like you do, but God called my first wife home and set me adrift through life. I just had to leave a Catholic Christmatic Prayer Group after one year for the reasons you stated.
If you search my posts here on CAF about the Charismatic Catholics, you’ll soon see that I don’t go with that and why. Without knowing exactly what you said to them I can make no assessment of that situation. You may have been correct to leave in any case. 🤷
Things have really changed in the Roman Catholic Church, and my Protestant wife is back in Communion with the Pope & United Bishops the same as I was when we had our marriage Convalidated 3 months ago, in time for the Great Easter Vigal on the Saturday eve before Easter Sunday. The priest who married us gave us permission for all this, the Parish Parochial Adminstrator signed it, and the Diocese bought it.
Convalidation does not make your wife a Catholic. She is a Christian by virtue of her Trinitarian baptism, but that does not bring her into communion with the Church by any means and if anyone tells you different they are not speaking in line with authentic Catholic teaching. I suspect that you have misinterpreted what they told you.

Permission for what? For you to abandon the Catholic faith? To embrace the errors of Protestantism? Come on now…I believe that you know better.

Also, let me point out that the death of your dear Catholic wife (Eternal rest grant unto her O Lord and may perpetual light shine upon her.) didn’t “cut you adrift” from our most holy faith, and if you felt so, you should have spent more time with your priest. Just because you encountered a Christian woman and have married her should in no way have you reinterpreting the teachings of the Church and embracing the modern errors of Protestantism.
That is why I can’t understand a leader of a Prayer Group (not a Decon) or someone here on the Forum not going along with my Diocese Policy? The group leader said infront if the group that the Priest was in error.
Again…w/o being privy to the context of this situation, we can’t discuss that. 🤷
How is it, that the laity and laity group leaders think that they supersede my Diocese? There is something wrong, or maybe the Laity is not being kept up to date with Church policy? Evidently, the new Church Policy is to get mixed couples back into the Church, even if only one attends Mass regularly,
Or, more likely you are not understanding what was told you. It is also possible that your priest misinformed you. Your going to Mass has nothing to do with it and you know that you should be doing that regardless.
 
Remember, all it takes is a Saturday afternoon confession to make her eligible for the Euharist on Sunday morning.
:eek: Absolutely NOT! Firstly, if she is not a Catholic, then she cannot take communion. His Holiness John Paul the Great was very clear on this in his encyclical Ecclesia de Eucharistia (note especially the following:
  1. In considering the Eucharist as the sacrament of ecclesial communion, there is one subject which, due to its importance, must not be overlooked: I am referring to the relationship of the Eucharist to ecumenical activity. We should all give thanks to the Blessed Trinity for the many members of the faithful throughout the world who in recent decades have felt an ardent desire for unity among all Christians. The Second Vatican Council, at the beginning of its Decree on Ecumenism, sees this as a special gift of God.89 It was an efficacious grace which inspired us, the sons and daughters of the Catholic Church and our brothers and sisters from other Churches and Ecclesial Communities, to set forth on the path of ecumenism. Our longing for the goal of unity prompts us to turn to the Eucharist, which is the supreme sacrament of the unity of the People of God, in as much as it is the apt expression and the unsurpassable source of that unity.90 In the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice the Church prays that God, the Father of mercies, will grant his children the fullness of the Holy Spirit so that they may become one body and one spirit in Christ.91 In raising this prayer to the Father of lights, from whom comes every good endowment and every perfect gift (cf. *Jas *1:17), the Church believes that she will be heard, for she prays in union with Christ her Head and Spouse, who takes up this plea of his Bride and joins it to that of his own redemptive sacrifice.
  2. Precisely because the Church’s unity, which the Eucharist brings about through the Lord’s sacrifice and by communion in his body and blood, absolutely requires full communion in the bonds of the profession of faith, the sacraments and ecclesiastical governance, it is not possible to celebrate together the same Eucharistic liturgy until those bonds are fully re-established. Any such concelebration would not be a valid means, and might well prove instead to be an obstacle, to the attainment of full communion, by weakening the sense of how far we remain from this goal and by introducing or exacerbating ambiguities with regard to one or another truth of the faith. The path towards full unity can only be undertaken in truth. In this area, the prohibitions of Church law leave no room for uncertainty,92 in fidelity to the moral norm laid down by the Second Vatican Council.93
    I would like nonetheless to reaffirm what I said in my Encyclical Letter Ut Unum Sint after having acknowledged the impossibility of Eucharistic sharing: “And yet we do have a burning desire to join in celebrating the one Eucharist of the Lord, and this desire itself is already a common prayer of praise, a single supplication. Together we speak to the Father and increasingly we do so ‘with one heart’”.94
  3. While it is never legitimate to concelebrate in the absence of full communion, the same is not true with respect to the administration of the Eucharist* under special circumstances, to individual persons *belonging to Churches or Ecclesial Communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church. In this case, in fact, the intention is to meet a grave spiritual need for the eternal salvation of an individual believer, not to bring about an *intercommunion *which remains impossible until the visible bonds of ecclesial communion are fully re-established.
    This was the approach taken by the Second Vatican Council when it gave guidelines for responding to Eastern Christians separated in good faith from the Catholic Church, who spontaneously ask to receive the Eucharist from a Catholic minister and are properly disposed.95 This approach was then ratified by both Codes, which also consider – with necessary modifications – the case of other non-Eastern Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.96
  4. In my Encyclical* Ut Unum Sint* I expressed my own appreciation of these norms, which make it possible to provide for the salvation of souls with proper discernment: “It is a source of joy to note that Catholic ministers are able, in certain particular cases, to administer the sacraments of the Eucharist, Penance and Anointing of the Sick to Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Church but who greatly desire to receive these sacraments, freely request them and manifest the faith which the Catholic Church professes with regard to these sacraments. Conversely, in specific cases and in particular circumstances, Catholics too can request these same sacraments from ministers of Churches in which these sacraments are valid”.97
    These conditions, from which no dispensation can be given, must be carefully respected, even though they deal with specific individual cases, because the denial of one or more truths of the faith regarding these sacraments and, among these, the truth regarding the need of the ministerial priesthood for their validity, renders the person asking improperly disposed to legitimately receiving them. And the opposite is also true: Catholics may not receive communion in those communities which lack a valid sacrament of Orders.98
    The faithful observance of the body of norms established in this area 99 is a manifestation and, at the same time, a guarantee of our love for Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, for our brothers and sisters of different Christian confessions – who have a right to our witness to the truth – and for the cause itself of the promotion of unity.
(emphasis mine)
If was our marriage outside the Catholic Church that had us excommunicated, not my wife’s Protestantism. The priest that just married us 3 months ago, said for us to respect one another’s religion. That is not what I’m hearing here?
Where did anyone assert that your marriage caused excommunication? According to what you have stated here, you were married by a Catholic priest, right? If the marriage is convalidated then the issue is resolved, but that does not allow your n-C wife to take communion at Mass.
 
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I still love Protestants, and I apologize if our marriage has bbrought out the worse religious bigotry on both sides. The Protestant side where my wife is employed put pressure on her to divorce me because of not honoring our first marriage.

I should make it clear that my wife is a Baptised Roman Catholic, who was raised Catholic, went to a private Catholic School thru the 12th Grade graduation. Both sides of our families are solid Catholic. Both of our mothers signed papers that we are practicing Roman Catholics who attended church regularly. They both were present at our Marriage Blessing in the Catholic Church Chapel by a Catholic Priest, then signed off as witnesses.

What else is required for my wife to be a Roman Catholic who is in communion with the Pope & United Bishops?
 
Hello johndoe100.

I’m confused.

You said that your wife is Catholic, but also refer to her as your “Protestant wife” who attends a different church on Sundays. Is she Catholic or Protestant?

You mentioned that you were a solid Catholic, but also said that even though the ideal situation would be for both of you to stay Catholic, you believe God is leading you down a different path. How solid is that?

You also mentioned that all it takes is a Saturday afternoon confession to make your wife eligible for the Eucharist on Sunday morning. That sounds like she could be purposely doing something “wrong” with the intent to just confess it later. Is she really sorry if she’s pre-planning her confession?

It seems like you want help with your situation. The previous posters sound willing. However, you might need to clear up some things for them.
Hello Novus,

I have been trying to keep up with the questions, so that forum members can get in step with current Diocese Marriage Policy. Things have really changed towards loving the Protestants, rather than the old saw we used to have.

In all honesty, I personally would classify my wife as a Protestant who is still in communion with the Pope and Roman Catholic Church. What ever transpires at her employment in a Protestant Private School & during Sunday Services are taken care of in our Parish Confessional on Saturday afternoons. That is where her sins are absolved, and then she is free to partake in the Euharist on Sunday morning. I absolutely do not worship at Sunday Protestant Churches, but I accompany my wife during Protestant Prayer meetings on Sunday Night.

We are presently in a tight labor market, and you would be surprised at the amount of my wife’s paycheck. Before each class where she is employed, she leads the class in the Pledge of allegiance to both the American Flag & the Christisn Flag. That is followed by a Protestant type conversational prayer & a one half hour Bible study designated by the Assemblies of God Church. Yes, there are quite a few Catholic students in that school.
 
Hello "Church Militant’

I don’t understand complicated Encyclical’s, so I would appreciate you explaining it. The reason why my wife and I were self-excommunicated was because we were both Roman Catholics who got married the first time outside the Church without dispensation from my wife’s Church in the Philippines. We were married while I was on a two week vacation over there. The Philippine Islands are a very romantic place similar to all the South Pacific and Hawaii. The last thing that we had in mind was something like Dispensation from an old Bishop. 🙂

Come to find out later that there is a very strong movement in the Philippines called, “Born Again”, and my new wife had been fellowshipping in those places looking for a husband. Anyway, I have always loved the Protestants, so I didn’t panic. Everything is okay now because the Diocese has softened towards the Born Again type Christians. Well, We have to wait and see what you have dug up in that Encycical?
 
Hello "Church Militant’

I don’t understand complicated Encyclical’s, so I would appreciate you explaining it. The reason why my wife and I were self-excommunicated was because we were both Roman Catholics who got married the first time outside the Church without dispensation from my wife’s Church in the Philippines. We were married while I was on a two week vacation over there. The Philippine Islands are a very romantic place similar to all the South Pacific and Hawaii. The last thing that we had in mind was something like Dispensation from an old Bishop. 🙂

Come to find out later that there is a very strong movement in the Philippines called, “Born Again”, and my new wife had been fellowshipping in those places looking for a husband. Anyway, I have always loved the Protestants, so I didn’t panic. Everything is okay now because the Diocese has softened towards the Born Again type Christians. Well, We have to wait and see what you have dug up in that Encycical?
There’s nothing hard to understand in my section from Ecclesia de Eucharistia. His Holiness is quite clear about the position of the Church. I’ll post the relevant part again so you can focus on it.
These conditions, from which no dispensation can be given, must be carefully respected, even though they deal with specific individual cases, because the denial of one or more truths of the faith regarding these sacraments and, among these, the truth regarding the need of the ministerial priesthood for their validity, renders the person asking improperly disposed to legitimately receiving them. And the opposite is also true: Catholics may not receive communion in those communities which lack a valid sacrament of Orders.98
The faithful observance of the body of norms established in this area 99 is a manifestation and, at the same time, a guarantee of our love for Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, for our brothers and sisters of different Christian confessions – who have a right to our witness to the truth – and for the cause itself of the promotion of unity.
A Protestant, by the very nature of their Protestant affiliation, denies a number of Catholic doctrines. There is no such thing as a “Catholic Protestant” and has not been for the last 500 years or so. That term might have been applied to Luther in his time prior to his leaving the Church, but none since would qualify.

The circumstances of your “romantic” encounter in the Philippines is irrelevant to the issue that you clearly chose to place your own desires ahead of your Catholic faith. Now, you try to tell us that your diocese (which you do not name) has dispensed you to do something that is not in line with the clear teachings of the Church and your wife maintains her non-Catholic beliefs and community attendance while (apparently) refusing to enter fully into the Catholic faith…and you, because you are married to her, have compromised both your own faith and given her a scandalously bad witness by condoning and even participating in this behavior.

I suspect that you have either misrepresented what the local diocese has said in this matter, misunderstood it, or have made up your own interpretation of it all in order to permit you and your wife to live in a disobedience to the Catholic faith.

I was a member and even a deacon in the Assembly of God (See My Testimony), so I know what they believe and practice. Your wife’s employment by an n-C college is actually irrelevant unless as part of said employment she has had to sign some kind of statement of faith of theirs that would conflict with the fullness of truth of Catholic doctrines, (Such as acceptance of Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, and or other distinct n-C doctrines.) in which case, if she intends to be a faithful Catholic, she would need to reconsider carefully as being a bad witness to both Catholics and n-Cs.

If, as you say, your wife is a Protestant, then she should not, *repeat…should not *be presenting herself for reception of the Eucharist until she has been frank with the parish priest as to her actual beliefs which may (and would appear probably would) render her improperly disposed to receive. Furthermore, if you value both of your souls, then you should definitely not be condoning or encouraging these practices as they may constitute serious sins and false witness of a compromised Catholic faith.
 
I still love Protestants, and I apologize if our marriage has bbrought out the worse religious bigotry on both sides.
There is no bigotry involved. That’s a specious allegation in reference to the Catholic faith. There is the faithful practice of the Catholic faith which the Church calls for and encourages.
 
Good morning “Church Militant”,

Thanks again for explainig your position in detail, and I really appreciate the amount of time that you put into this thread. You have really helped my wife and I understand the religious bigotry on the Catholic side, now we have to talk to the A/G Pastors to find out their reasons for pressuring my wife to divorce me over this. After we get it nailed down we will learn to avoid people like you guys. Why rub salt into the wounds and cause more condemnation of God’s people? We are obviously bringing out the worse in the Christian Faith, from both sides.

We apologize! Please keep you eyes on Jesus and not the other Christians in this World. When you performance rate other faiths you isolate yourself from Jesus. All you are seeing is Carholic/Protestant, and no Jesus. It shows up in your writing with each condeming remark. For the benefit of those who read this thread, There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Romans 8:1)

God Bless
 
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