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I wouldn’t go so far to say that. This may make him kinder, more patient… he has the grace of sacraments you don’t have, C&C. It sounds like he’s being a very good husband and father. Sure goes out of his way to help in ways my xh didn’t.

C&C, you have shown him how his marriage can be a shell. Because you have shown him what will happen to him if by choosing what he sees as the fullness of the truth, if his wife holds onto bitterness like you have, he is doomed to a shell of a marriage.

Maybe you think if she renounced her faith, your marriage would be fine. Let me tell you what it would do to her… now that she has seen the fullness of the teaching of Christ as it was handed down from Him to the Apostles and guarded for 2 millennia, if she were to renounce it now, and give in to your demands, she would be committing apostasy and heresy. She would be cutting herself off from God. She would be ensuring her own damnation to make a so-called peace with a man who never forgave her for her conversion.

Not a good trade. Keep hectoring and badgering her like you do to this poster and it is obvious why she feels nothing but coldness to you. Life changes us all. Sometimes in surprising ways. 13 people went to work yesterday at Ft Hood and didn’t come home. Everyone who witnessed the carnage is changed. Some may be changed spiritually and may look for something to answer the new questions in their minds and hearts.

You are wrong, C&C that this choice was unilateral. He was given a grace that he didn’t seek. God planted the seed of conversion in his soul. That was not a unilateral choice. It was a call from his Creator to see more. Like your wife experienced. Something that can give him strength and joy.

Your anti-Catholic prejudices come through loud and clear here. He goes out of his way going to church with his family. He is allowing them to be raised Methodist, which is a BIG concession. I wonder, C&C, if you will be so harsh to any of your children if they decide to be Catholic when they are older.

Funny thing is, usually you see it in the other direction. People decide Catholicism is too hard and asks too much and so they retreat to a faith system that asks less of them.

Sometimes when God asks more of us, it comes at a cost. C&C, you really insult the OP when you say he hasn’t had many of the costs of his conversion.

To James, keep courting her. I can’t say it enough. If your faith makes you more gentle, more at peace, more patient… she eventually will grow to trust that this is who you are now and you won’t change.
*Amen to this.

And Chosen, I don’t see where the OP has indicated that he has this disparaging attitude towards his wife, or that he believes her faith is terribly wrong. :confused: It does seem like he is going out of his way to be a good husband, and try to get back on track. People change in marriage. It would be bliss if both people changed in the same direction…evolving, but this is not happening here, yet. I have hope. 🙂 Either way, Ignatius, if your wife never agrees with the Catholic Church teachings, still try to be a loving husband. It’s all you can do. You can’t do her part, also. At some point, she’ll either love you back, FOR YOU, or she won’t. :o But, you can only offer your love. You can’t BE the entire. marriage, you can only be one half of it. She has to be the other, for it to work. However you both get there, is up to you. I don’t believe your newfound ‘faith’ should dismantle a marriage…that’s just my two cents. I speak however from the camp of marrying someone who was a cradle Catholic as myself.

God bless. *
 
Brother,
You stated I seem to not know the teachings of my Church very well so I thought it was important to the conversation to state the opposite. To assume I don’t know much about my Church’s teachings would be to assume I made a flippant decision which would assume I don’t care about my wife’s hurt feelings. This was a well thought out, well discerned, Spirit-led decision. To deny what I heartfully believe would be to go against my conscience, thus I’d be sinning.

I get the point you’re making in #1. And I see what you’re saying but obviously the situation is different. The analogy is ok but I think it’s a different scenerio.

#2 I’m in the process of writing a letter to my wife acknowledging the hurt I’ve caused her and to apologize (not for my conversion, but how I went about revealing it to her). I hope to give it to her soon.

#3 I am aware of the cost. It stinks that I’m the only Catholic. It stinks I go to Mass and look down the pew only to see empty space. I go with her to her church. The only thing we can’t do together is take Communion (which is important to her, as it is me).

Ya know, it’s not like she’s some big religious scholar all wrapped up in the Methodist denomination. She hardly does anything in the sense of devotions. She has never been one to get into deep theological discussions. There are wives who are really into their faith and they follow their husbands into the Catholic Church. Watch EWTN’s Journey Home, you’ll see what I’m talking about.

She even told me she has nothing against Catholics. She’s just upset on how I went about converting without her. I think things may have been different if I would have posed the idea to her and studied together, but knowing her feelings I felt I couldn’t approach her on it.

You know Chosen, there is more that unites Catholics and Protestants than what divides us. Your wife’s faith shouldn’t be hidden from them. It should be presented as another way of worshipping God and celebrated as such. My daughter is two and when she sees a priest on TV or in a magazine, she says “Mass, Jesus. Mass Jesus”. She caught onto that only after taking her twice with me. It’s a beautiful thing. Don’t supress your wife’s beliefs from your kids. Celebrate what we hold in common, which is great.

James
 
I wouldn’t go so far to say that. This may make him kinder, more patient… he has the grace of sacraments you don’t have, C&C. It sounds like he’s being a very good husband and father. Sure goes out of his way to help in ways my xh didn’t.

C&C, you have shown him how his marriage can be a shell. Because you have shown him what will happen to him if by choosing what he sees as the fullness of the truth, if his wife holds onto bitterness like you have, he is doomed to a shell of a marriage.

Maybe you think if she renounced her faith, your marriage would be fine. Let me tell you what it would do to her… now that she has seen the fullness of the teaching of Christ as it was handed down from Him to the Apostles and guarded for 2 millennia, if she were to renounce it now, and give in to your demands, she would be committing apostasy and heresy. She would be cutting herself off from God. She would be ensuring her own damnation to make a so-called peace with a man who never forgave her for her conversion.

Not a good trade. Keep hectoring and badgering her like you do to this poster and it is obvious why she feels nothing but coldness to you. Life changes us all. Sometimes in surprising ways. 13 people went to work yesterday at Ft Hood and didn’t come home. Everyone who witnessed the carnage is changed. Some may be changed spiritually and may look for something to answer the new questions in their minds and hearts.

You are wrong, C&C that this choice was unilateral. He was given a grace that he didn’t seek. God planted the seed of conversion in his soul. That was not a unilateral choice. It was a call from his Creator to see more. Like your wife experienced. Something that can give him strength and joy.

Your anti-Catholic prejudices come through loud and clear here. He goes out of his way going to church with his family. He is allowing them to be raised Methodist, which is a BIG concession. I wonder, C&C, if you will be so harsh to any of your children if they decide to be Catholic when they are older.

Funny thing is, usually you see it in the other direction. People decide Catholicism is too hard and asks too much and so they retreat to a faith system that asks less of them.

Sometimes when God asks more of us, it comes at a cost. C&C, you really insult the OP when you say he hasn’t had many of the costs of his conversion.

To James, keep courting her. I can’t say it enough. If your faith makes you more gentle, more at peace, more patient… she eventually will grow to trust that this is who you are now and you won’t change.
Dear One, I am no more anti-cathlolic than you are anti-man. We are colored by our hurts, certainly and it comes out in our posts.

I do feel that he, as like my wife, does not see the costs of those left behind.

I am bitter, yes, but not at catholics. I am bitter for not being worth taking into consideration when my wife was converting. I never told her not to, I asked her not to do it in a way that destroyed me. She chose othewise.
 
C&C how did it destroy you? Is it that you don’t like seeing her with any aspect of her life that doesn’t include you? Did it cause her to leave you and dismantle your home?

How can that change in her realizing the fullness of truth be destroying to you, any more than her having children and achieving the fullness of womanhood would destroy you? I’d think you’d be happy to see a part of her spirit and her heart bloom with love for God. Maybe it wasn’t something you directly shared, sir, but you couldn’t share motherhood with her and childbirth in the way she experienced it either.

Can’t you see that God began something in her spirit that she HAD to follow, and rejoice that it gave her joy or peace or something? If she had decided to get her master’s and went ahead of you in education in her mental development, would you have been angry at that? Even though you didn’t get a degree in that subject?

Have you ever prayed to God to let YOU see the church as she sees it?
 
First of all I’m sorry that you and your wife are living these difficult moments but I will try to help you as much as I can.

From reading from your story it looks like your wife has something against catholics or something within our church that makes her to react in that negative way towards you. I think it’s best that both of you try to forget your religious backgrounds whenever trying to have a formal decent talk. When talking in a husband to wife conversation, try to forget what religion each of you are. Put those things aside and pretend as if neither of you have a religion. Explain to her your feelings of how you feel about this situation and that you truely are encountering difficulties in your marriage and wish to bring forth the love that was once experienced in the begenning. Take your wife into a quiet room and tell her that you truely love her and want everything to be like how it was in the begenning. Hold her hand and say to her that you know it hurts her to see you in the catholic religion or causes her fustration but that is what makes you happy or feel comfortable with your spirituality. Tell her that you don’t want your religious catholic background to be a barrier or something that keeps her from giving you her unconditional love. It’s best if you try to find out why she has a problem with you being a catholic or why it disturbs her very much. Tell her to open up her true feelings and opinion on why being a catholic is that big of a deal. While she is in the process of telling you all this stuff, make sure to just listen and not interrupt her. Wait until she is completely done and has finished saying everything.

Then, say to her that you understand and tell her that whatever the reasons are, those shouldn’t be the causes which make her act in that way. Tell her that if she truely did love you, she would understand you and let you go. If she truely loves you, then she will let you to contintue living your catholic faith. Tell her that it’s possible for each of you to continue having a happy marriage even though your religions may be diferent. Find the similarities and the things in common that both of your religions share instead of finding the diferences.

My last advice that I will give you is that each of you get a piece of paper and write down what each of you like of each other. In other words, write down what you like about your wife that makes you to have that love for her and then tell her to do the same towards you. Then, after completing that task, write done all the things that each of you dont like of each other. If everything turns out accordingly, you’ll notice that there were more things that you liked about your wife then what you didn’t like about her. Hopefully, your wife will notice also that there were more things that she liked about you than bad things. I hope my advice helps and good luck! Never loose faith and ask the Lord for some help too!👍
 
James,

I, too, wish to extend my sincerest gratitude for your sacrifice for our country. I feel so humbled by your service.

I want to share my story with you, if I may. I am a former United Methodist who never studied doctrine. It felt right as a teenager, so I chose to be baptized. I fell away after 8 years, and spent years searching for a home.

I met my husband while we were both working at Disney World. We fell in love, and although we never discussed attending Church, knew that we each loved Him and wanted to know Him. He was a “former” Catholic who was never confirmed, but was raised in an Italian (Mafia family, nonetheless) Catholic family, and had nightmares about his Catholic school upbringing. Indeed, he has a still broken pinkie finger as the result of a hard smack by a nun! He was NEVER going to church there again.

Our lives changed when we started having children. My mother, who was helping to raise the kids while I went back to work, fell terminally ill, and I needed to find a place for my children. I ended up at a Catholic Church Early Learning Center. Long story short, I had been led Home.

Joe would never go back to church. I never argued, and all I could do was be in despair because his first marriage meant I could never be confirmed. I was advised to pray.

James, four years later, and my husband and I are going to be confirmed TOGETHER this Easter. It’s been a VERY hard road. I NEVER thought this would happen. EVER. But, here we are.

I am glad you’re changed. I can’t imagine what you’ve been through. I’d be worried about you if you came back and were the same guy you left as. Pray for her. It doesn’t sound like she was all that devoted to her church…it was just familiar. Now, that sense of comfort is removed.

Just pray. And remember that His love is complete and whole. He wants you to be happy…but he never said it’d be easy.

Pray, James. And I will pray for HER conversion. It CAN happen. In HIS time.
 
I am very sorry to hear about your situation and I hope that my (name removed by moderator)ut may give you some hope.

Until recently, I have not been a practicing Catholic, although I have always loved my religion. I am currently dating a man (for the past 3 years) who is from Serbia and is a nonpracticing Orthodox Christian. When we became serious, I started to tell him how I must be married in the Catholic Church and that my children must be raised in the faith. I was very adamant about this. My boyrfriend, at the time, stated that it’s because of Catholics the war in Serbia occurred and blamed Catholics for killing his father. He expressed great hate for the religion. Of course, I knew this was not true and we discussed the history of war and the role of propaganda from an objective point of view, and he stopped saying the Catholics were the cause. However, he did inform me that he would never get married in a Catholic church and would definitely not raise his children in this faith. He believed that children should be exposed to all religions and should make their own decision.

I had recently undergone a traumatic experience that may adversely affect my future, and have gone full force in immersing myself in Catholicism. Surprisingly, he has been extremely supportive of this. I have never tried to convert him, as I believe that our religion states we should never impose our religion on to others who are unwilling. Instead, by proclaiming my love for Catholicsim and by “walking the walk,” I have found my boyfriend to begin attending mass with me and being present when I speak to a priest when I discuss my issues. He has now changed his perspective to: “Catholics are very similar to Orthodox Christians, except that Orthodox Christians follow the ‘old calendar.’” I am not sure what the significance of the “old calendar” is, but I feel like he is undergoing a transformation. He also says that Orthodox Christians preserve the way mass is suppose to be (from 2,000 years ago).

Thankfully, I met a fellow CAF member who informed me about Traditional Catholicism, which purports to preserve the 2,000 year tradition of mass. When I found a Traditional Catholic mass, my boyfriend was overly joyous for me. He did not attend the mass with me, as he had another engagement to attend to, but was highly interested in what I thought about it.

I am pretty confident that my boyfriend’s views on Catholicism is slowly changing. I am grateful that his admiration for Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II assists him in changing his views. By talking about their lives and their great impact on the world, I can see that his respect for Catholicism deepens. I am also very confident that if it came to it, he would convert to Catholicism to marry me.

My purpose of sharing this with you is that you must be patient if you love your wife. Refrain from getting into religious debates with her. Right or wrong, a person will defend their religion when they feel it is under attack. Instead, take an intellectual approach. Discuss the history of the Catholic Church and how Protestant denominations came about. Discuss how the Catholic Church has changed over the years. A great question to ask is: “Why do all international countries look to the Vatican and the Pope for assistance and guidance?” Why do they put the responsibility on them to solve or intervene in social issues?" (Jews look and continue to look at the Catholic Church for answers and apologies from the Vatican for not “doing as much as they could do” during the Holocaust.). Why are these questions by leaders of countries and religious groups not directed at Protestant churches? Interesting, eh? It may also not hurt to ask her what she has against the Catholic Church? What have they done to her to make her hate it so much? If she is fearful of being mislead all these years through Protestant teachings, you may want to concentrate on how Protestants broke away from Catholics; therefore, have some similarities to the religion. Sometimes, showing how more alike we are than different is key.

Also, model through action. She may never convert to Catholicism, but she may grow a great respect for it through your actions. Show your commitment, dedication, and faith through behavior. I guarantee it that all the positive changes that will come over you will definitely impress her.

Also, please assure her that you did not “betray” or “deceive” her by converting. Ask her what would she do if God spoke to her and asked her to practice a different religion to truly glorify Him. This may get her to start thinking in an analytical and empathic manner.

Good luck to you and never lose faith. Whatever happens, happens, and it happens for a reason. God Bless!
 
You sound like a wonderful husband and father. I also appreciate your service to our country - kudos!
Keep doing what you are doing. Pray without ceasing. Pray a rosary for her every day. My husband was an atheist when we married, with horrible memories about his childhood church (country Pentecostal) splitting apart when the preacher ran off with the church secretary (true story). Now it is twenty-some years later and not only is he a devout Catholic, he is a master of apologetics. You’d be surprised what can happen in a marriage. I sure never envisioned my hardened military husband becoming so devout in our now mutual faith.
Praise God for miracles!
 
I’m going to try and find on here where I believe Fr. Serpa speaks to some Catholics on here who have asked if they have to stop having relations with their partner because one of them is anti contraception and the other insists. I am almost positive I’ve read him saying that as long as you have made your point clear and you don’t use it, that you are not required to quit having relations. Although this doesn’t sound like this is even something you want to consider. There is always the barrier method for her, like the vaginal film if she insists on using something. Also, I’m not sure, but you should know that it is a very odd thing to have this “abortifacient” factor come into effect with the birth control pill - and I have yet to see a study that shows a person have this happen - it’s a possibility that could happen if an egg was releasd at a time other than normal ovulation, that just happened not to be taken care of the other ways that birth control works that just happens to get fertilized that just happens to attempt to implant. I have spoken with my Catholic OBGYN about this in depth as I have to take the pill for medical reasons (I wind up having transfusions if I don’t use it). Anyway, I don’t want to have a debate with anyone on here regarding this, so let me just try to find Fr. Serpa talking about the whole thing of one partner wanting to use birth control. If you don’t even care about that, do let me know.
God Bless
Rye
 
I’m really worried about the future of my marriage.

I had this intense yearning for the Eucharist so I decided I had to tell her what I was thinking spiritually… . . . Between conversations I told her “I want to be a Catholic deacon”, not knowing fully what I was saying.
Hello.

Here are some thoughts I had while I read your posts. Please feel free to take 'em or leave 'em.

I don’t know the particular places in the New Testament so well, but I do know somewhere in there Jesus said we have to be ready to leave family, mother, sister, etc. if we wish to follow Him. I need to ask myself, who’s the priority in my life? Is it truly God? And one of the commandments is no false gods. I’ve known some people who’ll put a person in place of God in their lives. This one is a toughie. A real toughie.

Another thought I had was, if you have the one true God as the priority in your life, then everything will work out for you, though not necessarily in your time or how you think it should go. God loves us and told us if we ask He’ll only give us good things. But He knows us better than ourselves and will also give us tailor-made character building lessons because He wants us to grow in His love.

Maybe just doing what you’re supposed to do, and following the way you believe you’re called to and letting go and letting God do the rest will help you.

You can’t control another person, not even a wife (I know, I’m someone’s wife and he still can’t control me any more than I can control him). Maybe you could place her in the care of the Blessed Virgin Mary?

And another thought - (I’m a terrible windbag sometimes!) it’s so wonderful that you’re being called by God in this way. You warm my heart with the lovely and true way you’re responding to God’s call. Thank you so much.

And a parting thought - THANK YOU for your service in Iraq. You are very blessed.

my two cents, and please pray for me…
 
IWhy are these questions by leaders of countries and religious groups not directed at Protestant churches? Interesting, eh? It may also not hurt to ask her what she has against the Catholic Church? What have they done to her to make her hate it so much? If she is fearful of being mislead all these years through Protestant teachings, you may want to concentrate on how Protestants broke away from Catholics; therefore, have some similarities to the religion. Sometimes, showing how more alike we are than different is key.

Also, model through action. She may never convert to Catholicism, but she may grow a great respect for it through your actions. Show your commitment, dedication, and faith through behavior. I guarantee it that all the positive changes that will come over you will definitely impress her.

Also, please assure her that you did not “betray” or “deceive” her by converting. Ask her what would she do if God spoke to her and asked her to practice a different religion to truly glorify Him. This may get her to start thinking in an analytical and empathic manner.

Good luck to you and never lose faith. Whatever happens, happens, and it happens for a reason. God Bless!
I sooo agree with this poster - I don’t know why I’m thinking about this next situation, because the realationships are different, but I keep thinking about how St. Monica had a similar situation with St. Augustine - (in no way am I implying that your wife is sinning the way St. Augustine did) - She prayed and when that didn’t work, she prayed some more and kept this pattern going until her Son came to find his place in the Catholic Church. And I will even say that your wife may never decide to become Catholic, but I know that by your example your children may find themselves curious about the Catholic faith as they grow older and see how you are effected by It. And I didn’t mean to imply that you were purposefully shoving Catholicism down your wife’s throat - what I was trying to say (because I thought when you said something about her not even considering the Church Fathers) was that even though your not believing you’re pressing it on her, she may feel like you are - I know this has to be sooooo frustrating for you, especially knowing how military life may have conditioned you (Father is a Colonel in USAF and Husband was a Submariner) - andI also have to say, well done! even though she may not be thrilled with you right now, you’re still trying all you can - helping her out, etc. - It’s a hard road you’re travelling and I’m really happy how excited by your faith you are - I think we all know you’re going to need that excitement for the situation you’re in. Also not to get too personal, bu Imust have misunderstood, is your wife refusing to cease with the artificial contraception? If you’re as desirous as you sound to have her learn to use NFP, then perhaps you and she can go to a class together (and yes there are classes that are NFP that are not necessarily just Catholic - depending on where you are) - this may be a way that the two of you can grow together - many on here believe that it’s helped their marriages immensely - maybe God is calling the both of you to try this out and maybe, just maybe, some seed will be planted not necessarily in her womb, but more in her heart.I liked what one of the other ladies said - maybe the two of you need to learn what brought you together in the first place - maybe you do need to fall in love again because it’s not just you that changed, (and I can say this from experience with deployment with my Dad and my Husband) - it’s she that has also changed. Maybe letting her know that she has changed will help her realize that you aren’t the only reason that things are so different.
God Bless
Rye
 
I am currently dating a man (for the past 3 years) who is from Serbia and is a nonpracticing Orthodox Christian. When we became serious, I started to tell him how I must be married in the Catholic Church and that my children must be raised in the faith. I was very adamant about this.

…he stopped saying the Catholics were the cause. However, he did inform me that he would never get married in a Catholic church and would definitely not raise his children in this faith. He believed that children should be exposed to all religions and should make their own decision.

I had recently undergone a traumatic experience that may adversely affect my future, and have gone full force in immersing myself in Catholicism. Surprisingly, he has been extremely supportive of this. I have never tried to convert him, as I believe that our religion states we should never impose our religion on to others who are unwilling. Instead, by proclaiming my love for Catholicsim and by “walking the walk,” I have found my boyfriend to begin attending mass with me and being present when I speak to a priest when I discuss my issues. He has now changed his perspective to: “Catholics are very similar to Orthodox Christians, except that Orthodox Christians follow the ‘old calendar.’” I am not sure what the significance of the “old calendar” is, but I feel like he is undergoing a transformation. He also says that Orthodox Christians preserve the way mass is suppose to be (from 2,000 years ago).

…I am pretty confident that my boyfriend’s views on Catholicism is slowly changing. I am grateful that his admiration for Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II assists him in changing his views. By talking about their lives and their great impact on the world, I can see that his respect for Catholicism deepens. I am also very confident that if it came to it, he would convert to Catholicism to marry me.
I apologize to the OP, because I will digress from the primary thread a bit.

Crystal, you should be aware that Old Calendar EO Churches tend to be rather hostile towards Catholics, and even towards New Calendar EO. This could cause a problem if your boyfriend meets his Serbian EO priest - he may well be advised to convert you before marriage, or else dump you. At a minimum, you should educate yourself so that you be aware that we Catholics are not heretics as the Old Calendar EO Churches claim us to be. The short story of the Calendar controversy is that a Catholic Pope commissioned the scholars some 400 years ago, to come up with an astronomically more accurate calendar than the Julian Calendar that has been effect since the Roman emperor Julius Caesar. The new calendar has been named Gregorian Calendar after the name of the Pope, and the Catholic countries adopted it some 400 years ago. In the EO world, the Patriarch of Constantinople, as well as the Greek, Romanian, and Bulgarian EO Churches adopted it in the early 20th century. However the Russian, Serbian, Macedonian EO Churches stayed with the Old (Julian) Calendar and accused the New Calendar EO churches of following a Papal innovation and heresy, that of the New Calendar. To them, anything “new” and “innovation” is synonymous to “heresy”, especially if it comes from the Pope. Catholic and New Calendarist “heresies” include, in their view, the use of musical instruments including the organ, the presence of pews in churches, and chiefly the New Calendar. Old Calendar EO Churches feel so strongly about the issue that they advise their members not to take communion in New Calendar EO Churches. My Russian EO acquaintances, for example, would rather drive to a Russian Old Calendar church two states and three hours away, than attend the local Greek EO New Calendar church.

Maybe your boyfriend will not fall for this attitude, but at any rate this is the official position of his Church.

orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/soc_wcc.aspx

Another issue is the liturgy. EO Churches use mostly the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom (4th c.), and sometimes the Liturgy of St. James the Apostle. Catholic Churches use more than these 2 liturgies: the Roman Catholic Church uses the Novus Ordo Mass (Vatican 2) and the older Tridentine Latin Mass (16th century? I’m not sure). Eastern Catholic Churches such as the Greek and Ukrainian use the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and St. James (just like the Eastern Orthodox Churches), whereas the Melkite, Maronite, and other Catholic Churches have their own liturgies that are different from the previously mentioned. Alltogether, more than 10 different liturgies are in use in the Catholic Churches, and all are considered by our Church as fully legitimate and fully appropriate forms of worship. The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, used in the Eastern Orthodox and in some of the Eastern Catholic Churches, is beautiful. But don’t let anyone, be they Eastern Orthodox or Traditional Roman Catholics, tell you that any other liturgies in use by the Catholic Churches, such as the Novus Ordo Mass or the Tridentine Latin Mass, are inappropriate or heretical. Btw, you probably attended a Tridentine Latin Mass (traditional Catholic Mass). You might as well wish to visit an Eastern Catholic Church if there is any in your area, they have the same Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom that your boyfriend’s Serbian Orthodox Church has, and it’s beautiful. The real important difference between Orthodox and Catholics is not the liturgy, but rather that we accept the Pope, while they reject him.

Good luck and God bless you both on your journey! Hold on tight to the Catholic Church and its Truth - it’s God’s full revelation and true Church, free of errors. ANY other Church or denomination can only give you a partial truth, mixed with errors.
 
James, I just wanted to add this observation: sometimes God lets the righteous suffer, and it’s not in vain. It is part of God’s plan for a greater good, and it is an opportunity for us to participate in Jesus’ sufferings. Jesus was misunderstood by his own people, his town, his family, and at times even by his own disciples. Something good will come, must come from your suffering, maybe it’s part of God’s plan for you and it will be to your wife’s spiritual benefit in the end. Whatever’s going on in your life, God is in control, and He has a magnificent plan for you. Those who share Jesus’ cross now, will share his eternal victory later.
 
Joseph, Rye, Musician, Crenfro, Crystal, Heather, Warrior, Liberanosamalo,

Thank you all for your encouraging posts. About the military: I just did what I had to do. My unit was called to serve and I did what every man has done before me. Thank you for your family members who has served as well. My job was to look for IED’s (roadside bombs) on a daily basis. There were many many times I shouldn’t have come home. I’m still struggling with some things. It was a highly stressful job for long periods of time. I don’t want to be a “mental-midget” though so I try to surpress everything.

Let me share one of my conversion stories here:

We were getting ready to leave to head over to Kuwait from Indy airport. Again, I wasn’t even considering Catholicsm at this time. But there was this priest there who said he’d pray for anyone of any Christian faith wanting to pray. My squad leader suggested we should to up. I didn’t want to because he’s a Catholic priest! But, relunctantly I went up with him (he wasn’t Catholic either) and after Father prayed with us he gave us a St. Michael Medal which I wore with me the entire deployment (I still have it). I asked for St. Michaels protection the whole time over there (I didn’t know what I was doing or how but it worked!)

St. Michael was there with me, with us. This one day we were out sweeping the roads for bombs. We thought we saw something suspicious underneath an overpass. So we get out of our hummers to pull security which was standard operating proceedure. Our bomb inspection vehicle pulled up to look at it. The claw was moving around the bag trying to see inside it. Evening was starting to come and it was dusk out. So I’m standing there pulling security 30 yards away when the bomb exploded. I saw the flash (the light always comes before the sound - physics of it all) and I knew what was happening so I tried to find cover behind my hummer. I didn’t make it in time but heard the schrapnel from the bomb “tinging” off my vehicle. It was a miracle no one was injured. I knew God was with me and so was the Host of Heaven that day.

I appreciate the warmth and support I have received from you. It is a hard situation but I know as you have mentioned that God is in control and He never lets something happen that he doesn’t want to happen. And thank you Joseph for reminding me to “offer it up” with my sufferings to Christ’s sufferings. I believe in the fruits of redemptive suffering and this is a good time to practice what I’ve been preaching to others.

I started a Novena to Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal. It’s an interesting story why I’m doing this. Really the only thing I’m involved in at my parish is that I’m a Eucharistic Minister to the Hospital one Sunday every other month. On the last time I served, a month ago, I visited with the mother of one of our deacons. We got to talking during my visit and I shared with her about my wife and all the struggles we’ve been through. She told me her husband used to be the same way and what she did was pray the Novena to OLMM and he converted. He became a very good Catholic, a good defender of the faith and on fire for the Lord and His Church. She said she is a believer in the Novena and she’s seen it work in other areas of her life. She said whenever she needs some prayer answered she takes it to Our Lady in this Novena and it gets answered. She sent me the Novena booklet and insisted that I try it to see what happens. So, yesterday I started the first day of the Novena after Mass in the Eucharistic chapel. Here’s to hoping Our Lady comes through as she did in Cana!

-James
 
So, yesterday I started the first day of the Novena after Mass in the Eucharistic chapel.
Thank you so much for your wonderful example.

Please keep us posted how things turn out.

Many blessings and please pray for me.
 
James, the novena is a wonderful idea! Prayer is an amazingly effective weapon. You are doing all the right things. Keep doing them. It took my husband about 16 years to come to Catholicism. It was definitely a journey! But now we are so happy in our mutual faith and just in general in our marriage.
Keep us posted. 👍
 
I’ve been looking for but cannot find the quote where Chesterton, following his RCIA confirmation/ceremony in the Church, his wife needed to be assisted in leaving the Church, so overcome by grief at what happened. Yet he never knew she felt that way until it happened. It took her a year but she finally followed him and converted also.

I had grown apart from my partner and my conversion to the Church really put the kibosh on that relationship. We still see each other but I know she has never forgiven me.

You seem very well grounded. A lot better than I was coming back from Vietnam. God bless you and thank you for your service.

dj
 
Hi,

Just a freq lurker… 😉 but thot I would post my 2 cents worth.

OP - I am wondering whether what you and your wife are going thru’ is truly about the faith, or just her feeling “left-out”, “left-behind”, maybe even “betrayed” by your decision. And if that is so, maybe the focus needs to be on how can you re-assure her that you being Catholic does not change the r’ship that you have with her or something to that affect.

Just my thots.

Blessings
 
Hi,

Just a freq lurker… 😉 but thot I would post my 2 cents worth.

OP - I am wondering whether what you and your wife are going thru’ is truly about the faith, or just her feeling “left-out”, “left-behind”, maybe even “betrayed” by your decision. And if that is so, maybe the focus needs to be on how can you re-assure her that you being Catholic does not change the r’ship that you have with her or something to that affect.

Just my thots.

Blessings
Yes, along these lines, could it be, James, that your wife is secretly afraid that your newfound Catholic religion will affect your love and commitment to her?

As far as I remember, it is somewhere in the NT (Paul’s letters?), that if someone becomes a follower of Christ, and his/her spouse is happy to stay with him, he should not divorce his spouse. How much more so is this true when both spouses were already baptized Christians to begin with!

James, the stories you gave from Iraq are awesome! I will share them with my nephew, who has a great love and respect for the military! I sincerely believe there will be good fruits to what you and the rest of our Military did and sacrificed in Iraq. Just look at modern Japan, Germany, South Korea. And I grew up behind the iron curtain (Communist Romania), and credit the USA for my freedom today.
 
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