I think the JW's are the "most right" religion out there

[severinus]

jediliz:

I believe “Jehovah” is a mistranslation of YAHWEH.

Thank for you posting At his Feet!

As for me, I called my niece to wish her a HAPPY BIRTHDAY before she went to bed. And GOD didn’t do anything to me yet.

Yep. Jehovah was a Spanish Catholic writer’s version of YHWH.

I am surprised that our JW friend did not stick around to answer my last question on the Greek NT vs NWT. That’s very unlike the JWs.

 

[carol_marie]

severinus:

Yep. Jehovah was a Spanish Catholic writer’s version of YHWH.

I am surprised that our JW friend did not stick around to answer my last question on the Greek NT vs NWT. That’s very unlike the JWs.

Nor was my question addressed regarding both Jehovah & Jesus being called “Mighty God.” I’d really like to hear your explaination of that Jaded.

Thanks!
CM

 

[severinus]

carol marie:

Nor was my question addressed regarding both Jehovah & Jesus being called “Mighty God.” I’d really like to hear your explaination of that Jaded.

Thanks!
CM

There’s an active thread which is discussing how to keep JWs from bothering us. I think we have a solution.

 

[jjwilkman]

Jaded27:

Um, does divinity mean he is an actual god?

Because if that’s the case then by the scriptures given I don’t see god in there anywhere. I see “son of god” which the witnesses do not argue about.

John 8:58. “before abraham came to be, I AM.” it don’t get more clear than that!!

 

[Beebs]

:whacky:
I am sorry but that title deserves that remark.

Lets see: Witness say it the rest of the Catholic and Christian that have mistranslated the New Testament from the original Greek.
Charles Russell, their founder and author of the original Watch Tower 1884 based on his biblical teaching.

“In another case, in which he sued a Canadian Baptist pastor, Russell was shown to be a perjurer. When asked if he knew Greek, he replied affirmatively, but when challenged to read the Greek letters at the top of the Greek Testament, he was unable”
p34. “Strangers at Your Door” Albert J. Nevins, M.M. 1988 Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division.

Regarding the New World Translation the JW refuse to divulged who did the translation.

“In a Scottish court case, Frederick Franz had to state under oath that he was one of the Translators. His educational back-ground was two years at the University of Cincinnati.”
p35. “Strangers at Your Door” Albert J. Nevins, M.M. 1988 Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division.

10 years later 1971 Franz becomes the new head of the organization he is the first leader to have any college education.

I say once again :whacky:

Beebs

 

[severinus]

jjwilkman:

John 8:58. “before abraham came to be, I AM.” it don’t get more clear than that!!

Have you heard the JW explanation of that?
It’s very interesting, from a linguistic point of view. Interesting, not good.

 

[gryskull]

Jaded27:

What is the divinity of christ?

There is only ONE God. It says it right in the bible. That is Jehovah. What’s to debate about here?

That is in your church’s translation. The word Jehova is just a hebrew word for God which is derived from Yahweh. If you want to verify that go to webster.com or britannica.com. The word Yahweh was actually spelled YHWH. There are no vowels in between. This is because the jews were not allowed to speak the name YHWH due to reverence to GOD. The jews addressed HIM as elohim or adonia which means LORD or Almighty ONE. Such word YHWH comes from the passage of Exodus 3:13-15. This is when GOD answers moses “*Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” *and then GOD answers "I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I Am has sent me to you.’ " (YHWH).

That is why the pharisees were taken aback when Jesus says “Before Abraham was, I AM” Jn 8:58

 

[Jaded27]

jediliz:

As for me, I called my niece to wish her a HAPPY BIRTHDAY before she went to bed. And GOD didn’t do anything to me yet.

Is there really a need to post snide remarks like this? Really, this is why I am losing interest in this forum.

Did I say god would strike you down for wishing your neice a happy birthday? No, I did not. I gave you reasons why Witnesses do not celebrate them, which I believe you ASKED for.

Honestly. . .

 

[Jaded27]

I am sorry but that title deserves that remark.

. . . . .

I say once again :whacky:

Beebs
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Obviously if I look at comments like this I can see that none of you are interested in learning anything. I tried. Bye.

 

[Jaded27]

carol marie:

Jaded,
Hate to get nit-picky here… but isn’t the wishing of “good luck” a bit superstitious?

Well, I deeply apologize for making a mistake in my wording.
And as to the comment above that - “Ha!”? That’s what you have to say? Yet another reason why I am done here. Most of you people are far too arrogant to try to teach anything to.

You just want me to give my proof so you can try to tear me down and I’m sick of it. It’s not worth the stress of trying to show you anything about my religion.

 

[severinus]

Jaded27:

Well, I deeply apologize for making a mistake in my wording.
And as to the comment above that - “Ha!”? That’s what you have to say? Yet another reason why I am done here. Most of you people are far too arrogant to try to teach anything to.

You just want me to give my proof so you can try to tear me down and I’m sick of it. It’s not worth the stress of trying to show you anything about my religion.

:ehh:

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

Well, I deeply apologize for making a mistake in my wording.
And as to the comment above that - “Ha!”? That’s what you have to say? Yet another reason why I am done here. Most of you people are far too arrogant to try to teach anything to.

You just want me to give my proof so you can try to tear me down and I’m sick of it. It’s not worth the stress of trying to show you anything about my religion.

Jaded,
Please reread my entire post. The point I was trying to make is that everyone understands that when you say “good luck” it doesn’t MEAN that you believe in suprerstition - certainly Jehovah God - who knows your heart knows this as well. Likewise with the holidays you call “pagan” - like Christmas. We aren’t celebrating the winter solstace - we’re celebrating Jesus Christ. Rather than always take things on face value - one needs to consider the motives behind it. That’s the point I made so there is no need for you to apologize for you “word choice.” I perfectly understood what you meant.

I am disappointed that you have decided to leave the forums. But I’m not suprised. I was once in your shoes and when the evidence against the WT Society - something my entire life was based on, began to stack up… I tried to avoid considering it also. When everything you believed in - built your life around comes crashing down - it’s a very scary place. But ignoring the evidence won’t make it go away.

I do believe God is working in your heart. I hope and pray that you will be led into the fullness of truth - which is not found on the pages of the Watchtower - but rather in your dear Savior who loves you so very much, Jesus Christ.

God Bless,
CM

 

[Beebs]

Jaded27:

Obviously if I look at comments like this I can see that none of you are interested in learning anything. I tried. Bye.

I am sorry…
I see you have not looked at my point and you would be the one unable to learn. Once a again sorry.

Here is my point.

Witness say it the rest of the Catholic and Christian that have mistranslated the New Testament from the original Greek.
Charles Russell, their founder and author of the original Watch Tower 1884 based on his biblical teaching.

“In another case, in which he sued a Canadian Baptist pastor, Russell was shown to be a perjurer. When asked if he knew Greek, he replied affirmatively, but when challenged to read the Greek letters at the top of the Greek Testament, he was unable”
p34. “Strangers at Your Door” Albert J. Nevins, M.M. 1988 Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division.

Regarding the New World Translation the JW refuse to divulged who did the translation.

“In a Scottish court case, Frederick Franz had to state under oath that he was one of the Translators. His educational back-ground was two years at the University of Cincinnati.”
p35. “Strangers at Your Door” Albert J. Nevins, M.M. 1988 Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division.

10 years later 1971 Franz becomes the new head of the organization he is the first leader to have any college education

Beebs

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

Obviously if I look at comments like this I can see that none of you are interested in learning anything. I tried. Bye.

Jaded,
It’s not that we aren’t interested in learning from you… consider it from our perspective. You believe that the WT is the “Truth” - we do not. You believe that Jesus was an angel. We do not. You believe that Charles Russell was picked by Jehovah to speak for Him. We do not. Everything you believe is so totally different from what we believe. So when you make statements about your beliefs - we have every right to question you. What about this… what about that…
Help to us understand where you are are coming from and the scriptural and historical support for your religion’s views.

Just because the Watchtower says so is just not good enough.

God Bless,
CM

 

[b_justb]

Wow, what a fire storm! I was hoping to focus on just the Divinity of Christ issue. But the title of the thread didn’t really provide that focus.

Jaded – you told me before that you saw nothing you disagreed with in the Early Church Fathers I quoted that clearly support the Doctrine of the Divinity of Christ. Now you are denying His Divinity. Which is it? Do you agree with historical Christianity or not? If not? Why not?

Still being civil here.

 

[catsrus]

In my jw experience, I found that:

1. They detest “arguement” (read discussion"). It’s their way or the highway. Literally.

Most of you people are far too arrogant to try to teach anything to.

1. They have no sense of humor at all about themselves or their religion.

Is there really a need to post snide remarks like this?

1. If they don’t deem you as “an interested one”, they shake the dust from their feet (read leave) and will “discuss” with you no further.

Obviously if I look at comments like this I can see that none of you are interested in learning anything. I tried. Bye.

 

[Jaded27]

catsrus:

In my jw experience, I found that:

1. They detest “arguement” (read discussion"). It’s their way or the highway. Literally.
2. They have no sense of humor at all about themselves or their religion.
3. If they don’t deem you as “an interested one”, they shake the dust from their feet (read leave) and will “discuss” with you no further.

So I’m supposed to have a sense of humor about someone making “crazy faces” at the title of this post? And then posting another crazy face yet again at the end of their post?? Yea, okay.

I hvae plenty of humor about my religion. We’re the butt of so many jokes it’s not even easy to count them all. And I laugh at ones IN GOOD TASTE. Calling me crazy is not funny.

I know none of you are interested in converting. I hopeed you were interested in knowing the truth. But no.

And THIS Is arguing. You are all inciting arguments. That’s all you want to do so fine. I’ve tried to be patient and teach you things. It’s not working. Instead I get called crazy. Fine.

 

[Jaded27]

I’m sorry, but how christian is THIS??

Originally Posted by Beebs
:whacky:
I am sorry but that title deserves that remark.

. . . . .

I say once again
:whacky:
Beebs

 

[catsrus]

I know none of you are interested in converting. I hopeed you were interested in knowing the truth. But no.

What truth?
There are some here, myself included, who are quite familar with what the wt teaches, having once been either involved in a book study, attended meetings or actually been involved as a full fledged witness. We did not consider it truth then, nor do we now, nor will we ever. Obviously, since we are Catholics.
We will be glad to ***DISCUSS ***what the wt teachs and compare it to Catholicism. That’s the use of this form. Do not expect to “teach” us. Explain and compare beliefs, not teach. We will accord you the same consideration.
Please do not assume that we do not “know the truth” .
Considering you are either engaged to, or are married to (sorry, I’ve forgotten which ) a Catholic, this form is a great opportunity for you to understand the differences between your faiths and give you an idea of how the differences may play out in the future.
We hope you stick around for these discussions. You may challenge us and fully expect us to challenge you.

 

[jediliz]

I apologize for my seemingly snide remark, I was just trying to make a point that if celebrating a birthday is pagan, then wouldn’t God have gotten angry with me? I celebrated two nieces’ birthdays last saturday and have not received a punishment yet.

I was just trying to make a point (the same one that “At his feet” tried to make) that if you celebrate yout birthday or that of a loved one, no one would get angry. God certainly wouldn’t. After all, didn’t God help to give you life?