I think the JW's are the "most right" religion out there

[Jaded27]

catsrus:

Considering you are either engaged to, or are married to (sorry, I’ve forgotten which ) a Catholic, this form is a great opportunity for you to understand the differences between your faiths and give you an idea of how the differences may play out in the future.
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Engaged to. And I"m glad he’s not like the people I have encountered on this board. He is understanding and kind and listens to what I have to say and doesn’t discuss things with me merely to argue. He wants to know what we believe. That’s what I mean by truth. That I was giving you the truth of what we believe. I feel bad for anyone who comes here honestly wondering about JWs. They’ll get all this horrible info with nothing to counteract it.
My goodness, because someone wishes their neice a happy birthday and is not struck down on the spot they think that means they’re right???
If you believe all JWs are wrong in what we do and we are not struck down then duh, of course that’s not what I was saying.

I don’t need my blood pressure raised over a bunch of stubborn people on a message board. I have better things to do with my time. You’ll have to find someone else to torment. Yea, “my way or the highway”. You’re exactly right. And my way means I don’t get picked on and picked at over every little thing. So I’ll take the highway out of here then.

 

[b_justb]

Jaded27:

I hoped you were interested in knowing the truth. But no.

OK I am calling you on it. Blunt and possibly painful, but I must.

Truth does not reside in the teaching of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, hereafter referred to as WTBTS. It is clear from just a rudimentary look into the first generations of Christian teachings that nothing that the WTBTS teaches is contained therein. It is people that are interested in Truth that have left the WTBTS and researched that have found that they were fed lies and told it was truth. This is what is so damaging to people that come out of the WTBTS.

I have asked you to define and defend the WTBTS stance on the denial of the Divinity of Jesus as compared to what the first Christians believed and taught. You have refused to do so for what ever reason. Then claim it is we who do not listen to truth. It’s just not flying, not in my book.

 

[Jaded27]

b_justb:

It’s just not flying, not in my book.

Oh, I’m sorry – something’s “Not flying” from someone who still belongs to the religion you turned your back on and now have a personal vendetta against??? I am SHOCKED. Simply SHOCKED that you feel that way. Wow, this is a puzzler. Hmm. . .hmm. . .what can I do?
I know, leave you to your bitterness.

 

[severinus]

Jaded27:

Oh, I’m sorry – something’s “Not flying” from someone who still belongs to the religion you turned your back on and now have a personal vendetta against??? I am SHOCKED. Simply SHOCKED that you feel that way. Wow, this is a puzzler. Hmm. . .hmm. . .what can I do?
I know, leave you to your bitterness.

Here’s your chance to teach without any “snide” remarks or ridicule. Can you answer the questions I raised in post #14?

 

[Jaded27]

severinus:

Here’s your chance to teach without any “snide” remarks or ridicule. Can you answer the questions I raised in post #14?

If any of you cared, I would. I already used my own time last night that I should have been spending with my family to look up info on birthdays, mothers day, and all that. No one cared or even responded. They just went onto the next point they want to prove me wrong on.

So no, I will not answer any more of your questions.

 

[Beebs]

Jaded27:

I’m sorry, but how christian is THIS??

Originally Posted by Beebs
:whacky:
I am sorry but that title deserves that remark.

. . . . .

I say once again
:whacky:
Beebs

That was from post 11:47pm post last night

I already said I was sorry in my 9:05am post this morning, and tried to make my point again civilly…

Here is my point.

Witness say that it is the rest of the Catholic and Christian that have mistranslated the New Testament from the original Greek.
Charles Russell, their founder and author of the original Watch Tower 1884 based on his biblical teaching.

“In another case, in which he sued a Canadian Baptist pastor, Russell was shown to be a perjurer. When asked if he knew Greek, he replied affirmatively, but when challenged to read the Greek letters at the top of the Greek Testament, he was unable”
p34. “Strangers at Your Door” Albert J. Nevins, M.M. 1988 Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division.

Regarding the New World Translation the JW refuse to divulged who did the translation.

“In a Scottish court case, Frederick Franz had to state under oath that he was one of the Translators. His educational back-ground was two years at the University of Cincinnati.”
p35. “Strangers at Your Door” Albert J. Nevins, M.M. 1988 Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division.

10 years later 1971 Franz becomes the new head of the organization he is the first leader to have any college education

Beebs

I am sorry once again.
Don’t be too hard on me remember our Lord’s prayer…forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us…Amen

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

If any of you cared, I would. I already used my own time last night that I should have been spending with my family to look up info on birthdays, mothers day, and all that. No one cared or even responded. They just went onto the next point they want to prove me wrong on.

So no, I will not answer any more of your questions.

Jaded,
I am so sorry you feel you’ve been attacked for your faith in the Watchtower Society. If you’ll read through some of the other threads where Catholics and Protestants discuss our religious differences, you’ll see that you have been treated no differently than anyone else. We have pointed out errors in the Watchtower’s theology and we’ve invited you to dispute our findings. We have stated over & over again that we are willing to listen to you. But we are not willing to accept that what you say is “truth” based on nothing more than what the Watchtower says. We’d like you to back up your beliefs using the Bible and Church History - it’s what we require of anyone who wants to debate a theological difference.

Unfortunatly, you and I both know that the claims of the Watchtower do not stand up to such staunch scrutinity. Which is why, whenever a JW is confronted with someone who actually knows his Bible - who has studiesd the early Church… the response is to flee.

I feel so sad for you. I honestly do. You have been fed of a steady diet of Watchtower and you cannot comprehend that they could be wrong. You aren’t willing to consider that you - your dear family - all of your brothers & sisters in the Organization have been mislead by others who were likewise mislead. It goes all the back to Russell and his very strange beliefs about Jehovah.

I am in no way bitter about the Organization. I have nothing but fond memories from my time spent as a Jehovah’s Witness. But when I was unable to deny what I had learned - when the mountain of evidence was just overwhelming - I couldn’t ignore it any longer. I thank Jehovah God every day that He called me out. Which is why I have such a heart for others who are still stuck in that place - as I once was. Don’t take my word for it… just do this please. Pray to Him that He would open your eyes… pray that you would learn the truth about His Son Jesus Christ. Don’t shut your heart or your eyes. Trust that He won’t lead you astray. I will continue to pray for you.

Most Sincerely,
CM

 

[severinus]

Jaded27:

If any of you cared, I would. I already used my own time last night that I should have been spending with my family to look up info on birthdays, mothers day, and all that. No one cared or even responded. They just went onto the next point they want to prove me wrong on.

So no, I will not answer any more of your questions.

OK. Well, I found some stuff on my own at
bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm:

What leading Greek scholars say about the NWT:

Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, professor of New Testament at Princeton University, calls the NWT “a frightful mistranslation,” “Erroneous” and “pernicious” “reprehensible” “If the Jehovah’s Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists.” (Professor of New Testament Language and Literature)

Dr. William Barclay, a leading Greek scholar, said “it is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest.”

British scholar H.H. Rowley stated, “From beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated.”

“Well, as a backdrop, I was disturbed because they (Watchtower) had misquoted me in support of their translation.” (These words were excerpted from the tape, “Martin and Julius Mantey on The New World Translation”, Mantey is quoted on pages 1158-1159 of the Kingdom interlinear Translation)

Dr. Julius Mantey , author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, calls the NWT “a shocking mistranslation.” “Obsolete and incorrect.” “It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 ‘The Word was a god.’”
“I have never read any New Testament so badly translated as The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Greek Scriptures… it is a distortion of the New Testament. The translators used what J.B. Rotherham had translated in 1893, in modern speech, and changed the readings in scores of passages to state what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe and teach. That is a distortion not a translation.” (Julius Mantey , Depth Exploration in The New Testament (N.Y.: Vantage Pres, 1980), pp.136-137)
the translators of the NWT are “diabolical deceivers.” (Julius Mantey in discussion with Walter Martin)

And this on John 20:28
carm.org/jw/john1_1.htm :

John 20:28 - “Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”

 In the Greek in John 20:28 Thomas said to Jesus, "ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou," "The Lord of me, and the God of me."  If Jesus was not God, but "a" god, then shouldn't Jesus have corrected Thomas?  Shouldn't Jesus have said, "No Thomas, I am not the God.  I am a god."?  But Jesus did not.  To do so would have been ludicrous.  Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witness will say that Thomas was so stunned by Jesus' appearance, that he swore.  This is ridiculous because it means that Thomas, a devout man of God, swore in front of Jesus and used the Lord's name in vain in violation of Exodus 20:7.  This is hardly the case since we find no New Testament equivalent of a disciple of Christ using God's name in vain.

I’m sorry you felt the need to flee when faced with hard questions. When entering into a discussion about these matters, it is good to come prepared.

 

[b_justb]

Jaded27:

Oh, I’m sorry – something’s “Not flying” from someone who still belongs to the religion you turned your back on and now have a personal vendetta against??? I am SHOCKED. Simply SHOCKED that you feel that way. Wow, this is a puzzler. Hmm. . .hmm. . .what can I do?
I know, leave you to your bitterness.

I have left my bitterness behind many years ago. I simply state my position based upon study. I reaffirm it again: Truth does not reside in the teachings of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. No bitterness just putting my cards on the table.

 

[Jaded27]

severinus:

I’m sorry you felt the need to flee when faced with hard questions. When entering into a discussion about these matters, it is good to come prepared.

Yea. . .
I’m not “fleeing”. I am prepared. No one listens so I don’t care anymore.
Whatever dude. I’m sick of all the bitterness and hatred. I’m done with all that.

 

[Beebs]

Jaded27:

Yea. . .
I’m not “fleeing”. I am prepared. No one listens so I don’t care anymore.
Whatever dude. I’m sick of all the bitterness and hatred. I’m done with all that.

Maybe it is you that is not listening. I have apologized twice and you show no forgiveness.

Remember our Lord’s Prayer…forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us…Amen

Its ok I forgive that fact that you have not forgiven me.

Also I might have been rude at first but severinus has shown you nothing but respect but yet you do not answer severinus.

Oh come Holy Spirit, please open the heart and mind Jaded27 to the Truth. Amen

Bother and Sisters please pray for Jaded27 and also for me.

Beebs

 

[Jaded27]

Beebs:

Maybe it is you that is not listening. I have apologized twice and you show no forgiveness.

fine. you’re forgiven.

Beebs:

Also I might have been rude at first but severinus has shown you nothing but respect but yet you do not answer severinus.

Is this respectful? “I’m sorry you felt the need to flee when faced with hard questions. When entering into a discussion about these matters, it is good to come prepared.” Um, no.

Oh come Holy Spirit, please open the heart and mind Jaded27 to the Truth. Amen

I’m all set thanks. It’s self righteous **** like this that gets to me. All your “prayers” and "god bless you"s don’t mean anything. They are demeaning and meant to show that you are better and stronger than everyone. I’m not buying it and that upsets you all.

 

[Jaded27]

Jaded27:

It’s self righteous **** like this that gets to me. .

And I didn’t swear here either. It blanked out a silly word. So don’t jump on me about that next.

 

[Jaded27]

And you know, you say you’re not surprised I’m not going to stick around because JWs that come here never do. Your excuse is that you present them with too many facts for them to stand up to.
My excuse is that maybe they didn’t come here to debate. Maybe they, like me, came here for information. Not to use against Catholics in the ministry, but real information just out of curiosity. Just out of wanting to better themselves to understand different people.
That’s why I came here.
And yes, when I see blatant lies about my religion being strewn about you’re darn right I’m going to say something about it. but mostly I came here for info. People asked ME questions knowing I’m a JW. Some were innocent out of curiosity and some were not. The majority were just to draw me away from my faith, like you say JWs do to you.
Well, I have news for you. I NEVER CAME HERE TO DO THAT. You can all believe whatever you’d like, but there are the facts plain and simple.
So yay, you’ve driven another one away and you can go back to your JW bashing because yes, no matter what you say, that IS what it is!
I’ll pray for all of YOU poor lost souls too.

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

fine. you’re forgiven.

Is this respectful? “I’m sorry you felt the need to flee when faced with hard questions. When entering into a discussion about these matters, it is good to come prepared.” Um, no.

I’m all set thanks. It’s self righteous **** like this that gets to me. All your “prayers” and "god bless you"s don’t mean anything. They are demeaning and meant to show that you are better and stronger than everyone. I’m not buying it and that upsets you all.

Jaded,
My prayers and “God bless yous” are because I care about you - I don’t believe I am better or stronger than anyone. I will leave those off if they are upsetting to you.

Why can’t we discuss a particular belief of the Watchtower Society - for example Jesus Christ. Who does the Watchtower believe He is - and who do Catholics say He is? All of this back & forth about nothing is not productive for anyone. If you don’t want to discuss that - then let’s talk about the New World Translation - how did it come to be? How does it differ from other Bibles? Why do JW’s use it? Would you be interested in talking about that?
Name a subject - we’ll start a new thread and discuss it.

 

[Jaded27]

carol marie:

Why do JW’s use it? Would you be interested in talking about that?
Name a subject - we’ll start a new thread and discuss it.

No, I would not. I am done “discussing” things. It’s pointless.

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

And yes, when I see blatant lies about my religion being strewn about you’re darn right I’m going to say something about it. .

Would you please identify these “blatant lies” that are being strewn about your religion?

 

[Beebs]

Jaded27:

I’m all set thanks. It’s self righteous **** like this that gets to me. All your “prayers” and "god bless you"s don’t mean anything. They are demeaning and meant to show that you are better and stronger than everyone. I’m not buying it and that upsets you all.

I am not better or stronger than anyone else, I am nothing in front of God. Any good that I may do is through God’s graces. I am just a sinner. We all are sinners.

Don’t judge less ye be judged. You assume my prayers are self righteous, but you don’t know my heart.

I will pray for you and I hope you will pray for me. 1 Timothy 2:1

God Bless

Beebs

 

[Jaded27]

carol marie:

Would you please identify these “blatant lies” that are being strewn about your religion?

tsk tsk. That would fall under discussion.

 

[Jaded27]

Beebs:

Don’t judge less ye be judged. You assume my prayers are self righteous, but you don’t know my heart.

Um buddy? If you don’t think I’ve been judged on here. . .ahha, you really need to read through all the threads.