I think the statement “Sinners send themselves to hell by themselves” is incorrect. Why do some Christians believe it?

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Because, there is no people who would chose to send themselves to hell, the place of eternal torment, instead of the heaven and/or paradise.

If the one exists, he/she must having some disorder, disability and illness. Because no one would want to get tormented. Then what’s the point of that act, which is, sending these kind of people to the place of torment?

Also I can provide the biblical evidence for my statement.

Luke 13:28
And there will be wailing and grinding of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out.
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So people who aren’t be saved will cry with grief, and earn despair. If both Christianity and the Luke are truth.

By the way, humans can’t send themselves to hell anyways. Because, humans have no power and authority to do that. No one would want to send themselves to hell, if he/she had such power though.

I can provide a biblical evidence for this statement also.

Matthew 5:36
Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
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So how do people send themselves to hell, when they can’t change the natural color of their hair?

If they can send themselves to hell, aren’t they magicians? Why do they have a such powers that belong to magical, spiritual and metaphysical?

So why are some Christians keep claiming that the damned send themselves to hell by themselves, actually? I’ve saw these kind of claims on this forum multiple times.

The claims were like this—
”Sinners chose to go to hell by sinning.”
”Sinners send themselves to hell by free will.”
”Sinners prefer to go to hell over heaven.”

Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
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In your opinion then:
How do people become separated from God?
And how does one attain union with God?
 
Ok? But if that’s our persistent preference, our choice, then we get what we want. Hell is, simply, the absence of God, with all that implies. And greed and lack of love and cold selfish pride can reign there all they want.

We’re sort of halfway between heaven and hell in this life, tasting of both in a sense and meant to choose- between good and evil, life and death, God or no God.
 
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Needy1 said:
So why are some Christians keep claiming that the damned send themselves to hell by themselves, actually? I’ve saw these kind of claims on this forum multiple times.
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MasterHaster said:
If a rational person believed in Hell they would not consciously and deliberately choose to go there. I agree that these concept are wrong:
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So, the alternative is that God sends people to hell based on his own caprice? What a brutal and unjust God. I would never, ever worship such a God.

God is love and justice and mercy. "He is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

There is only one reason anyone goes to hell. Unforgiven mortal sin is that reason.

Let’s break that down.

In order for sin to be mortal a person must know it is a sin and do it willingly, intentionally, and it must be serious sin.

One who truly does not know that fornication is sin, someone who was raised by libertine parents who encouraged fornication, or someone who was born in a time and/or place where they never heard any of the Gospel, they cannot be guilty of mortal sin.

There is then the “unrepentant”. Because there are moral laws written on the hearts of man, there are somthings that people “just know” are wrong, so even that person in a time and or place where they never heard a word of the teachings of the Church, they can still be aware of sin. They can still feel sorrow and repent.

On the other hand, people know sin is sin and they “choose not to believe it”, think they are smarter or more special than those old fashioned laws, they have pride (the original sin) and they thumb their nose at God. Even when their conscience pricks them, nope, they refuse to ask forgiveness. Even on their death bed, they feel pull to repent, to ask God for forgiveness and they then set their heart against God.

Everyone in hell intentionally and knowingly rejected God.
 
Hell’s door always close from within. After all, if there was no consequence for doing evil I would say God was unjust rather than a just God.

The fact is we are defined by our actions, and although we are not always held accountable for them in this world. In the next life we will surely be.

By choosing evil we are indeed keeping away from God, ultimately God will respect our decision.

The worst torment of Hell is precisely that eternal separation from God, which we cannot fully comprehend now.
 
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Needy1 said:
Because, there is no people who would chose to send themselves to hell, the place of eternal torment, instead of the heaven and/or paradise.
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And, by the same logic, no one would choose to have a hangover? From which we’d have to conclude that either no one ever had a hangover, or that someone comes and imposes hangovers on people against their will?

So, we can see that in case of hangover the choice is not simply “suffer a hangover or not suffer a hangover”. There are other things that come into play.

Just like that, the choice here is not simply “be happy or be miserable”. Heaven, first of all, is being with God.

Let’s imagine a simplified case. Let’s say that “Heaven” is an everlasting Mass in some church. Some people are going to like that (maybe they learned to like the Mass while on Earth). They are going to stay and be happy. Some other people are going to dislike that (maybe they didn’t like Mass while on Earth). They will want out. And they have that choice. The result of that choice: the whole eternity, nothing to do and a bad company - sounds like Hell?

So, in this simplified case everyone who is in “Heaven” is happy, everyone who is in “Hell” is miserable, and yet everyone made a choice. And understandably, for the ones in “Hell” expect that they would become even more miserable, if they would come to “Heaven”.

If that can be so in this simplified case, why would it have to be impossible in the real case?
 
Look around you. There are plenty of people who hate God and hate others. There are plenty of people who say “my will be done!” instead of “Thy will be done!”
They are creating their own hell and choosing it.
 
MPat said:
Let’s imagine a simplified case. Let’s say that “Heaven” is an everlasting Mass in some church. Some people are going to like that (maybe they learned to like the Mass while on Earth). They are going to stay and be happy. Some other people are going to dislike that (maybe they didn’t like Mass while on Earth). They will want out.
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I go to Mass everyweek and on days of Obligation. I would not want to be in Heaven if it was one long everlasting Mass that did not end and that one could not come out of. I’d like to see the honest replies of people who could say they wouldn’t mind that.
 
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And I think that’s what is meant by saying that some people send themselves to Hell. They choose to live in unrepentent wickedness.
 
If that’s what Heaven is, that’s what it is. Who knows? One things for sure–boredom will be impossible in Heaven.
 
Have you read the book of Revelation? Heaven may be an eternal liturgy.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Have you read the book of Revelation? Heaven may be an eternal liturgy.
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Heaven is not being trapped inside a Church for eternity of an unending Mass. Feel free to believe that or convince others it’s the case. Or make them feel guilty they wouldn’t want to take part in that for eternity. That wouldn’t be freedom. Nor would it be love to keep someone in a Church in an unending Mass they could never leave. I know I’m stating the obvious yet I’m sure you will keep the argument going. Hopefully I won’t respond. Have a nice day.
 
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No one is “trapped” in Heaven. Those in Heaven are filled with joy and worship around the throne of God.
Phatmass1 said:
I know I’m stating the obvious yet I’m sure you will keep the argument going.
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Wow.
 
We’ll continue to struggle with sin in this life-and even be tested and refined by it. But if there’s no change, no orientation towards righteousness and away from grave sin especially, then we, by our actions, reveal a lack of faith, hope, and love. We have to walk the talk at some point.

The catechism teaches that in Adam’s original sin “man preferred himself to God”. We can continue the family tradition or begin to reverse that preference.
 
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