I think the statement “Sinners send themselves to hell by themselves” is incorrect. Why do some Christians believe it?

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God gave us free will. When people choose to reject God and do not repent, they send themselves to hell.
 
Needy1 said:
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goout:
In your opinion then:
How do people become separated from God?
And how does one attain union with God?
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goout said:
In your opinion, how do people end up separated from God,
AND,
how do people end up united to God in the beatific vision?

If you could answer this question it would clarify the discussion, because it is not clear if you don’t believe in hell, or just can’t understand how someone ends up in that state.
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Firstly, I think, God or Angels would throw the damned to hell, by force, if either Catholicism or Islam was the truth. Like the Rev stated.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Secondly, I think a faith that unite people with God is a gift from God, if that faith is belonging to the one true religion the truth.
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If you believe Catholicism is true, neither God nor angels throw the damned to hell by force.
If you don’t believe Catholicism is true, then are you honeslty looking for that truth? Or are you disputing it in favor of some other truth?
 
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Ex boyfriend 1: ‘if I could take your faith away from you I would’. Mocked the church all the time

Ex 2: if I die and anyone dares try to give me the last rites I will haunt them if I can.

Close friend on discussing church funerals; ‘makes me sick when they say that persons in the arms of God’. There are three people just off the top of my head who actively reject God in this lifetime and scorn others loving Him. Oh and my other friend who everytime I see a post on his FB actively insults Christianity and mocks it all the time. There’s four. So @Limoncello4021 you are exactly correct
 
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Agree with you.

Heck, if God were going to throw unsuspecting people into hell, he would be a monster and I would not worship him.
 
I think a lot of these issues can be summed up by the statement of Ronal Knox in his book “The Belief of Catholics”:
It is enough to recall here that there are two
notice-boards (as it were) to guide us, two general principles which secure
us from misconceptions. On the one side, it is universally admitted,
against the Pelagians, that nobody ever goes to heaven except through the
free grace of perseverance. On the other side it is universally admitted,
against the Calvinists, that nobody ever goes to hell except through his
own fault.
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goout said:
If you believe Catholicism is true, neither God nor angels throw the damned to hell by force.
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TheLittleLady said:
Agree with you.

Heck, if God were going to throw unsuspecting people into hell, he would be a monster and I would not worship him.
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Why? How do you refute against the verse of Rev while you’re believing that the Bible is word of God?

Well, you will say that word “figurative language” but it isn’t magic word that would solve everything.

However, I think some Catholics will agree with me about the hell, though. The damned will be tormented, so cruelly, by force, if Catholicism was true.

If not, why would any rational person go to hell?
goout said:
If you don’t believe Catholicism is true, then are you honeslty looking for that truth? Or are you disputing it in favor of some other truth?
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I don’t know the truth because I’m not a prophet. However what “that truth” you have said mean? Catholicism?
 
I find it amazing that people disbelieve that it is possible to choose self over God.

People make choices that are bad for themselves all the time knowing full well the consequences…why would the choice of hell be any different?
 
So, are you believing that who practice contraception—without a permission of priests and a economical reason—are sinner and they get themselves into the consequences?

If so, by what power their spirit goes to hell, if they wouldn’t repent? I don’t think you will say “their power” though.
 
vz71 said:
People make choices that are bad for themselves all the time knowing full well the consequences…why would the choice of hell be any different?
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Then, why wouldn’t these people torture themselves until themselves die? If they’re rational person, they would not torture themselves.
 
John10 said:
if there was no consequence for doing evil I would say God was unjust rather than a just God.
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So, if God send these Catholics who practice contraception, without a permission of priests and a economical reason, to hell to give them eternal torment, God is right and just, right?
 
MPat said:
the ones in “Hell” expect that they would become even more miserable, if they would come to “Heaven”.
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I think all of sinners would chose the eternal mass on church rather than eternal fire in hell.

Correct me if I didn’t interpret your text and English rightly.
MPat said:
by the same logic, no one would choose to have a hangover? From which we’d have to conclude that either no one ever had a hangover, or that someone comes and imposes hangovers on people against their will?
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Hangover appear to people regardless of their free will. Because of the weakness of a body. Most drunken people doesn’t want to get hangover.
 
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Needy1 said:
Catholics who practice contraception
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This is considered intrinsic evil, no priest or economical reason can ever justify it. The Catholic Church clearly teaches it is contrary to natural law.
 
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Obviously the guy doesn’t know the concept of hell. He is assuming hell is like earth.

I think some Catholics believing the miracles of the Fatima and some personal revelations. According to the Fatima, some spirits are getting tortured and abused in hell so cruelly though.
 
So God is right and just for sending Catholics who practicing contraception to eternal damnation?

Do they deserve eternal damnation?

I thought it was not sin if they have a economical reason and permitted by priests, according to CCC though.
 
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Shelion said:
Do you believe Jesus’s words? I’m asking, because He Himself talked about us choosing the narrow or wide path. Nobody is forced to go one way or the other.
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So most people who walking on wide path will be damned? Why would God give that situation to humans? It’s obvious that most people would be damned if God prepare hell.
Shelion said:
God can and will always help those that seek help, but He can’t force anyone to choose Him.
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So “love me or burn”?

However, most people would save house dogs or cats if they are in danger, by force, regardless of their will though.
 
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