I want to dye my hair blue, Dad

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Appearance is one of the few things kids get to control, so as long as they understand the implications (e.g. how long the dye will last), sure, why not? I frequently dyed my whole hair purple at a time, only really stopped because DH likes it better when it’s natural.
 
I have not read all the answers so I don’t know if someone has already covered this one. My daughter dyed her hair blue, and then told a bunch of people that I was really upset about it. I realized then that it was my duty to be really upset about it. If I wasn’t, she would find something else to do. So I railed, and complained until it washed out. She was satisfied. AND (my much greater fear) she never got a tattoo.
 
But everyone’s appearance is designed to make a statement, even if that statement is “God forbid anyone think that I think I’m wealthier, prettier, sexier, smarter, more sophisticated, or even more humble than anyone one else!” It’s still a statement.

I’m not sure what “full on goth” means. If the girl has dyed her hair black and has a chain for a necklace, is that less appropriate for reading the Scripture than a middle-aged lady with a full face of just as unnatural looking makeup who is hoping that her neighbor’s husband notices her legs and bare shoulders when she walks down the aisle? I don’t really think so. There are some statements that are contrary to the faith. Cross-dressing would be one example. Tee-shirts that condone sexual immorality would be another. Clothing that is immodest for another. I don’t see what statement blue hair makes that is contrary to the faith. And yes, I do believe people need to take responsibilty for what they allow to distract them. If they notice unusual hair, that’s not their fault, but if they willingly choose to spend their time brooding over it and becoming angry that anyone would dare to infringe on their personal dress code instead of spending the time in prayer, that is absolutely their own fault.


That’s pretty much full-on Goth. Although many times the girls and boys will wear white Kabuki make-up, with black lipstick and blacked-out eyes. It’s for shock effect. Multiple piercings are also normal, with lots of silver jewelry, usually death themes, or Satanic sometimes.
 
Having two brothers who grew up in the 90’s, I have to disagree. Alot of work goes into that deshevelled, cocky, devil-may-care, look. You have to buy clothes with the appropriate wear and tear in them. (You don’t think someone THAT COOL is going to actually go to the trouble to do what it takes to wear authentic holes in his pants himself, do you? That’s what sweatshops in Indonesia are for!) There’s even hair product to make you look more greesy and ungroomed.

Now I’m trying to figure out why a person with a fascination with death, the occult, and the grotesque would want to be reading Scripture at Mass anyway. When I taught middle school, I heard alot of things the kids wore being described as “goth” that really didn’t seem to fit that description. Maybe one man’s “goth” is another man’s “trendy”?
No, no, no! 😃 When I say they look like an unmade bed, I’m talking about young fellows who very literally still have ther hair smooshed from the way they slept on it! These kids poured themselves into whatever slacks and shirts their mom had laid out for them, and their parents did not let them wear “devil-may-care” clothing! Making a fashion statement really is sometimes the last thing on a person’s mind. It really does happen.

The subculture is founded on a fascination with death, the mysterious, and the grotesque, but some people just think the look is cool. From what I gather, if there is anything you can’t say about Goth, it is that they all fit the same mold. In its current incarnation, it seems to be a do-your-own-thing-we’re-cool-with-that kind of mindset. It still looks a bit too costume-y to be right for Mass, though; it just does.
 
Yep. I was grumpy old dad about pierced ears until this year, 5th grade, when I agreed it could be a Christmas present.

On the other hand, my 14 year old daughter hasn’t done it yet because she’s afraid to.

And my wife didn’t do it until she was 21.
grin Well, this thread has brought up the subject of non-conformity - I confess. I’m a huge non-conformist - I’m well over 21 and still don’t have my ears pierced.

I’m not afraid at all. It’s just that all through school, and then at my employment - everyone’s all like “You don’t have your ears pierced!!! Why NOT?!? You should totally go get them done, it doesn’t hurt, etc.” So NOT getting them pierced is now as much a part of my “rebel” identity as other people’s tattoos and piercings 🙂

I like making my girls wait because it does change their body a tiny bit so I wanted them to have that choice themselves - plus it lets me put them in charge of paying for it, keeping them clean, keeping track of earrings, etc. 🙂 (I am such an evil mom - LOL!)
 
I was also referring to the the same poster’s contention that a lector’s conventional appearance was more important than their ability to read the Scripture properly.
Such a contention was nowhere present in my posts, and you are putting words into my mouth.

It’s just a simple matter of understanding the power structures in your typical parish. In my limited experience, the elderly ladies who have been there 40 years or more have more than their fair share of influence with the pastor and others in power. (Certainly some of the men do too!) If you do something which displeases them, the pastor is sure to get a phone call, and even a threat to reduce material support to the parish. A good pastor is sensitive to these complaints - not a slave to them, but sensitive - and I can guarantee you that if there is one of this type of person who doesn’t like how a lector looks, that lector is gone the next Sunday.

My pastor is strict about dress codes for all liturgical ministers. The altar servers in particular, because that is the only ministry in which children serve, are to have presentable dressy clothing with dress shoes. No jeans or t-shirts or revealing attire. Colored hair would be right out of the question. Now you should all ask yourselves: what would you rather have your daughter or son do over the summer: dye her hair, or serve in a worthy liturgical ministry. If it is going to be a choice of either/or, I know what I would pick for my own children. Suit yourself, though.
 
Such a contention was nowhere present in my posts, and you are putting words into my mouth.

It’s just a simple matter of understanding the power structures in your typical parish. In my limited experience, the elderly ladies who have been there 40 years or more have more than their fair share of influence with the pastor and others in power. (Certainly some of the men do too!) If you do something which displeases them, the pastor is sure to get a phone call, and even a threat to reduce material support to the parish. A good pastor is sensitive to these complaints - not a slave to them, but sensitive - and I can guarantee you that if there is one of this type of person who doesn’t like how a lector looks, that lector is gone the next Sunday.

My pastor is strict about dress codes for all liturgical ministers. The altar servers in particular, because that is the only ministry in which children serve, are to have presentable dressy clothing with dress shoes. No jeans or t-shirts or revealing attire. Colored hair would be right out of the question. Now you should all ask yourselves: what would you rather have your daughter or son do over the summer: dye her hair, or serve in a worthy liturgical ministry. If it is going to be a choice of either/or, I know what I would pick for my own children. Suit yourself, though.
That’s a quite a passive aggressive swipe at parents that allow their children to dye their hair even if it comes to them not being able to be involved in a liturgical ministry. I’d rather have my child weigh the pros and cons and decide for themselves. Perhaps they don’t feel called to a liturgical ministry, its not the end of the world if they choose to dye their hair for a summer and seek out another way to serve the community and their parish. They might even be at a parish where it wouldn’t make much of a difference.

Quite frankly, I don’t know if I’d want my child to be a part of a liturgical ministry if my parish was anything like what you’re describing is going on at your parish. In fact, I think I might be looking for a new parish for my family if I was a member of your parish or some place similar.
 
…My pastor is strict about dress codes for all liturgical ministers. The altar servers in particular, because that is the only ministry in which children serve, are to have presentable dressy clothing with dress shoes. No jeans or t-shirts or revealing attire. Colored hair would be right out of the question. Now you should all ask yourselves: what would you rather have your daughter or son do over the summer: dye her hair, or serve in a worthy liturgical ministry. If it is going to be a choice of either/or, I know what I would pick for my own children. Suit yourself, though.
I train altar servers. Wildly-colored hair does not meet the dress code, but it is not because someone with bright hair is unworthy as a person, and we go out of our way to point that out. We point out that while bright colors, bold prints, and “bling” on clothing, socks, shoes, hair color, and nail polish might look perfectly fine when put together for an ensemble for normal Sunday attire, it looks silly when paired with the austerity of a white alb. That is all we need–to take a bunch of good Catholic kids and make them into the parish fashion police!! 😦

More importantly, though, we insist that our altar servers serve because they want to, not because their parents want to make them. A worthy liturgical ministry cannot be compelled. We also point out that fashion choices that would be distracting with an alb are nevertheless perfectly fine in the many other ways a young person can positively contribute to the parish. IOW, the dress code only has to do with avoiding a distracting look at the altar. It is not a sin, not even a venial sin, to choose bright fashions or an odd hair cut, and it doesn’t make a person unworthy to do the work of a Christian! Altar serving is one among many ways that a young Catholic can serve his or her parish. (Ideally, it is not the only one for any of them.)

We do have one server who has subtle hints of red on her black hair, and she looks fine. As I pointed out, if a female server wanted to color her hair in a color that really was at odds with her alb, she could wear a snood while serving, and it would not be a problem. (I would not even require that the snood cover all of the color, only that the intention to take on a toned-down look for the sake of serving the Mass was made clear.) It is the combination of the hair with the alb within the context of serving inconspicuously yet near the center of attention that is the issue, not the hair itself. All servers with long hair have to contain it, not because we hate long hair, but because it is distracting for those who cannot help seeing the servers to wonder if a server is going to get too close to a candle and light his or her hair on fire. For that reason, even hair that is probably not much of a fire danger must be contained if it is long enough to appear to be one.

You’re right, though: if that is not pointed out, kids could easily conclude that a person’s baptismal dignity changes with their fashion choices. That is not true.
 
Such a contention was nowhere present in my posts, and you are putting words into my mouth.

It’s just a simple matter of understanding the power structures in your typical parish. In my limited experience, the elderly ladies who have been there 40 years or more have more than their fair share of influence with the pastor and others in power. (Certainly some of the men do too!) If you do something which displeases them, the pastor is sure to get a phone call, and even a threat to reduce material support to the parish. A good pastor is sensitive to these complaints - not a slave to them, but sensitive - and I can guarantee you that if there is one of this type of person who doesn’t like how a lector looks, that lector is gone the next Sunday.

My pastor is strict about dress codes for all liturgical ministers. The altar servers in particular, because that is the only ministry in which children serve, are to have presentable dressy clothing with dress shoes. No jeans or t-shirts or revealing attire. Colored hair would be right out of the question. Now you should all ask yourselves: what would you rather have your daughter or son do over the summer: dye her hair, or serve in a worthy liturgical ministry. If it is going to be a choice of either/or, I know what I would pick for my own children. Suit yourself, though.
I don’t think someone who takes into consideration the compaints of someone with nothing better to do than pick on the hair color of someone else is “good” in any position of authority. I think that would make them somewhat of a coward. Fortunately, most women who have been in a parish 40 years have more sense than that and have probably raised children themselves. Even if they complain amongst themselves, they probably aren’t going to bother the pastor with something so trivial.
 
I train altar servers. Wildly-colored hair does not meet the dress code, but it is not because someone with bright hair is unworthy as a person, and we go out of our way to point that out. We point out that while bright colors, bold prints, and “bling” on clothing, socks, shoes, hair color, and nail polish might look perfectly fine when put together for an ensemble for normal Sunday attire, it looks silly when paired with the austerity of a white alb. That is all we need–to take a bunch of good Catholic kids and make them into the parish fashion police!! 😦

More importantly, though, we insist that our altar servers serve because they want to, not because their parents want to make them. A worthy liturgical ministry cannot be compelled. We also point out that fashion choices that would be distracting with an alb are nevertheless perfectly fine in the many other ways a young person can positively contribute to the parish. IOW, the dress code only has to do with avoiding a distracting look at the altar. It is not a sin, not even a venial sin, to choose bright fashions or an odd hair cut, and it doesn’t make a person unworthy to do the work of a Christian! Altar serving is one among many ways that a young Catholic can serve his or her parish. (Ideally, it is not the only one for any of them.)

We do have one server who has subtle hints of red on her black hair, and she looks fine. As I pointed out, if a female server wanted to color her hair in a color that really was at odds with her alb, she could wear a snood while serving, and it would not be a problem. (I would not even require that the snood cover all of the color, only that the intention to take on a toned-down look for the sake of serving the Mass was made clear.) It is the combination of the hair with the alb within the context of serving inconspicuously yet near the center of attention that is the issue, not the hair itself. All servers with long hair have to contain it, not because we hate long hair, but because it is distracting for those who cannot help seeing the servers to wonder if a server is going to get too close to a candle and light his or her hair on fire. For that reason, even hair that is probably not much of a fire danger must be contained if it is long enough to appear to be one.

You’re right, though: if that is not pointed out, kids could easily conclude that a person’s baptismal dignity changes with their fashion choices. That is not true.
Those all sound like reasonable solutions to actual problems to me. I’ve asked a mohawk-wearing boy to wear it flat for a concert so we can see the face of the person behind him.
 
Might want to be careful with that Kool-Aid dye. My kids did it and ended up staining some things even after they were supposed to be safe. Have the kid use old sheets and pillowcases and wear old clothing for a few days.
They decided on kool aid. They used super hot water to mix and dye…then didn’t wash their hair for 24 hours+ after coloring. The red is by far the most pronounced. The blue is ok too, but the green was very faint.

As far as it getting on everything…so far so good. nothing on pillows/shirts etc. I was sort of surprised. I can see some fading even after only a couple of washes, so I feel pretty good that it will be gone before school. My oldest uses a straightening iron and hers seems to have faded the most. (haven’t look on the iron to see if it is red!!).

Anyway, I just thought I would check back in and let you know what we did and how it went.
 
They decided on kool aid. They used super hot water to mix and dye…then didn’t wash their hair for 24 hours+ after coloring. The red is by far the most pronounced. The blue is ok too, but the green was very faint.

As far as it getting on everything…so far so good. nothing on pillows/shirts etc. I was sort of surprised. I can see some fading even after only a couple of washes, so I feel pretty good that it will be gone before school. My oldest uses a straightening iron and hers seems to have faded the most. (haven’t look on the iron to see if it is red!!).

Anyway, I just thought I would check back in and let you know what we did and how it went.
Sounds like a successful adventure and I’m sure it’ll become a treasured memory 🙂
 
My Dad flipped out when I did this at 13. So I started wearing heavy makeup and tube tops to make a point. Poor Dad. 😛
 
I was sort of surprised. I can see some fading even after only a couple of washes, so I feel pretty good that it will be gone before school. My oldest uses a straightening iron and hers seems to have faded the most. (haven’t look on the iron to see if it is red!!).

Anyway, I just thought I would check back in and let you know what we did and how it went.
Yes, the straightener will fade the color quicker. Heat is bad for all hair color techniques. Kool-Aid does fade pretty quickly. I think my girls Kool-Aid dyed hair was pretty much back to normal within a couple weeks of daily washing.
 
My Dad flipped out when I did this at 13. So I started wearing heavy makeup and tube tops to make a point. Poor Dad. 😛
You obviously lived a lot closer to a main road when you were 13 than I did!! 😃

My brothers started to grow their hair long in the 70s, and he told them that if they didn’t get a decent hair cut before the week was out, he’d provide one for them. He meant it, and no one doubted that he would have done it. They got their hair cut. (He did let them wear it longer than he liked, though…just not that long.)
 
I have daughters that want to put a little fun color in their hair for summer—like a blue or green streak, or dye the ends red. Something along those lines. I have seen others do it. 8 years ago, I can say without a doubt my answer would have been an emphatic no! But now, I really don’t have a problem with it and see it as more or less harmless.

So…would you let your kids do it?

FWIW…their ages range from 4th grade----> highschool. All attend catholic schools, are excellent students, and are generally good kids.
Gotta watch out on this. Years ago my youngest wanted to do the same. Red was the school color and we said “go for it”. His older brothers girlfriend told him she used kool-aid to do her’s.What she didn’t tell him was that he had to mix it with water first so a fine red powder ende up ALL OVER the bathroom. Being a responsible kid, he thought he should wipe it up with a wet rag before Mom found out. There were red spots in our bathroom for years, til we gutted it during remodeling. He’s in his thirties now and you can bet we’ll never let that story die. I see Cradle Journey had a similar experiance 😃
 
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