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Catholics. In 1688, the figure was 22 percent, and by 1703 it was fourteen percent.The Protestant population, about one-tenth of the total

Not only were Catholics forbidden to vote or join the army or navy, but it became illegal to educate a child in the Catholic faith; they could not teach, open their own schools or send their children to be educated abroad. Catholics could neither buy land nor inherit it, other than by the equal division of estates between all sons. There were vast rewards for turning Protes*tant; a male convert was entitled to all his brothers’ inheritance, a female to her husband’s property. Irish language, music and literature were banned, as was the saying of the Mass.
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Of course, moving forwards and fulfilling Christ’s prayer will take first forgiveness on all sides. Look at the good we can do when we focus on the teachings of Christ, take the Mahattan Declaration for instance.

I would exhort you to reconsider whether or not Catholics should bare old wounds as if they were fresh.
 
I think is it disingenuous of you to post the content of the private message and act “shocked” that someone would suggest this to you. I’ve suggested it publicly. It is even further disingenuous to lead people to believe the root of the person’s suggest is “just” that you are Lutheran.

Perhaps some facts would assist people:

(a) You teach a religion class. You teach lessons that you can agree with, and you leave the classroom and let the principal teach any lesson that you have an objection to. That is a very poor example for students-- it undermines their faith. Their own teacher doesn’t agree with what is being taught and has to leave the room!

(b) When such occasions occur, you not only leave the room and let the principal teach the topic, but you then subsequently answer questions on why your religion teaches differently-- more undermining of the Catholic faith.

(c) You are in an invalid marriage with a quasi-practicing Catholic who refuses to convalidate your marriage. Public scandal.

(d) You are in a school that openly encourages non-Catholics to go through First Holy Communion and your own son-- baptized Lutheran-- went through First Holy Communion in the Catholic Church with neither of his parents intending to raise him Catholic while you proudly boast that he will go through Lutheran FHC and Confirmation in the Eighth Grade.

So, yes, if you were teaching in a Catholic school in which I had a child, I’d be raising holy hell about it. Of course, with the numerous whacko things you’ve described going on in your Catholic school, I’d probably be raising holy hell about the school in general at the diocesan level.

As to whether it was “right” for someone to send you this private message-- I think it was his Catholic duty to point out that maybe teaching religion at a Catholic school when you are an actively practicing Lutheran who cannot in good conscience teach what the Catholic Church teaches is not a good idea.

I also think he/she could have chosen better delivery.

I’m sure you are a fine language arts teacher, and a fine person in general. At least you seem to be here on CAF. I disagree with a non-Catholic teaching a Catholic religion class at a Catholic school. Shouldn’t be too surprising. I would disagree with a non-Lutheran religion teacher teaching Lutheran religion classes at a Lutheran school too.

Ultimately, it’s your choice what you do and your schoool’s choice to employ you. I think your school, in general, does a disservice to Catholic children based on the things you have posted here. But, if their parents don’t seem to care there isn’t much those of us here can do about it.
 
crazzeto said:
Yeeow, that’s a touch extreme…
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You think it can’t happen here?

1692 - In May, hysteria grips the village of Salem, Massachusetts, as witchcraft suspects are arrested and imprisoned.

1700-Massachusetts orders all Roman Catholic priests to leave the colony within three months, or suffer penalty of life imprisonment or execution. New York then passes a similar law.

July 15, 2008
Resolution 168-08, passed unanimously by the City and County of San Francisco Board of Supervisors two years ago, also accused the Vatican of being a “foreign country” meddling with and attempting to “negatively influence (San Francisco’s) existing and established customs.”
 
dosdog said:
You think it can’t happen here?

1692 - In May, hysteria grips the village of Salem, Massachusetts, as witchcraft suspects are arrested and imprisoned.

1700-Massachusetts orders all Roman Catholic priests to leave the colony within three months, or suffer penalty of life imprisonment or execution. New York then passes a similar law.
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You must be joking
dosdog said:
July 15, 2008
Resolution 168-08, passed unanimously by the City and County of San Francisco Board of Supervisors two years ago, also accused the Vatican of being a “foreign country” meddling with and attempting to “negatively influence (San Francisco’s) existing and established customs.”
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You think this resolution has anythign to do with Christian principal? Seriously? In modern San Fran?
 
Lutheranteach said:
I’m not looking for great depth and theological arguments. What I am looking to accomplish is to get some kids who have literally never had a protestant friend, neighbor, or classmate and introduce the notion that there are those who have some differing, but similar beliefs and hold them as deeply as they hold their own. Many of the 8th graders I deal with can tell you a lot about muslims or jews…but nothing about mainstream protestants. I’ve just found it odd that Catholic kids can tell me that muslims do A, B, and C because of X, Y, and Z. But can’t do that with any of the people attending churches within a mile of their own.
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That’s all good and well, but if it leads to the “we’re all Christians believing slightly different things” mentality, then it’s a problem. As Catholics, we believe there are serious fundamental issues with Protestantism, and Catholics themselves are generally not permitted to attend any Protestant service or anything.

Tolerance is different from acceptance. I can tolerate Protestant friends in their faith, or muslims, or anyone, but I can’t accept what they see as truth in that faith, as I believe they are wrong in what they believe.
 
crazzeto said:
I can see an advantage to keeping staff at a Catholic School 100% Catholic, in so far as the leadership and example it sets for the Childeren. But ultimatly **as long has he’s not teaching theology, religion or someother such subject which I think would requires your 100% personal consent to Magesterail teaching **then I don’t see why Lutheranteach couldn’t be one very effective and even loved teacher in his School.

Like you Mark, I leave it in the hads of the Pastor and Principal.
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The very important point that Lutheranteach conveniently left out of his OP is that he **DOES **teach religion class.
 
1ke said:
The very important point that Lutheranteach conveniently left out of his OP is that he **DOES **teach religion class.
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Whoops, not sure if I’m as comfortable with that then… I’m confident though that he does in fact teach magisterial teachings then? I certainly hope…?

It’s a little awkward regardless, I would imagine this is a class best taught by example. But seening his posting history, including his assertion not long ago that the church was “out of touch with the modern world” (something I pointed out that I was happy about) I see this as being problematic.
 
dosdog said:
I agree - I don’t understand why a Hamas supporter can’t teach math at a Jewish school

Luther is the Catholics Al’queda
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Man, your a freaking nutjob. Get a grip, I hope that suspension teaches you some manners.
 
dosdog said:
I agree - I don’t understand why a Hamas supporter can’t teach math at a Jewish school

Luther is the Catholics Al’queda
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Ah, no he is not.

I grew up Lutheran (Missouri Synod). My parents still are Lutheran. I converted after college.

Our faith and religious views are remarkably similar.

To call Luther a terrorist is to show your …well, I just won’t say it. I am too nice. I see you already got suspended, so I will let that incident speak for itself!

My kids go to a Catholic High School. There best and most favorite math teacher is a devout observant Jewish lady.
 
I guess I am a jerk, but I feel comfortable telling you that:
  1. a non-Catholic has no business teaching a religion class to Catholic…but in this economy, I certainly don’t blame you for taking a position offered to you. The real blame lies with the School. They hire non-Catholics to teach a religion class and then everyone wonders why Catechesis is so poor and why so many young adults leave the faith for protestantism…maybe it has to do with the fact that protestants are teaching them in school!!!
  2. they should be teaching a class about anything other than Catholicism in a Catholic School—I don’t see the point in instructing children on the history of heretical sects and how they compare to Catholicism. Certainly doesn’t sound like any school I would want my Catholic child to go to
Lutheranteach said:
To be clear. I teach language arts and one religion class per week…and only teach those classes where beliefs overlap. Although this year I will be teaching an elective comparing protestant and Catholic beliefs with a Catholic instructor.
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Catholic90 said:
Ah, no he is not.

I grew up Lutheran (Missouri Synod). My parents still are Lutheran. I converted after college.

Our faith and religious views are remarkably similar.

To call Luther a terrorist is to show your …well, I just won’t say it. I am too nice. I see you already got suspended, so I will let that incident speak for itself!

My kids go to a Catholic High School. There best and most favorite math teacher is a devout observant Jewish lady.
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Math is one thing, religion is quite another. I have no problems with a Lutheran teaching things like Math, english, science, and stuff like that. I do have a problem with a Lutheran teaching religion though. It doesn’t matter how supposedly close a Lutheran’s beliefs are to a Catholics, it just doesn’t work. There are major fundamental differences between the two, and I think it is an extreme disservice for Catholic kids to be taught religion by a non-Catholic. That just doesn’t make any sense.
 
Dum_Spiro_Spero said:
  1. a non-Catholic has no business teaching a religion class to Catholic…but in this economy, I certainly don’t blame you for taking a position offered to you. The real blame lies with the School. They hire non-Catholics to teach a religion class and then everyone wonders why Catechesis is so poor and why so many young adults leave the faith for protestantism…maybe it has to do with the fact that protestants are teaching them in school!!!
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Do you think that all teachers have to believe all of their subject area to be able actually teach the subject matter? Do you think that a Lutheran person can not understand and responsibly teach Catholicism?
  1. they should be teaching a class about anything other than Catholicism in a Catholic School—I don’t see the point in instructing children on the history of heretical sects and how they compare to Catholicism. Certainly doesn’t sound like any school I would want my Catholic child to go to
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Such classes are the weapons Catholics use to refute the arguments of the other denominations/other religions. You have to know your enemy to defeat them. That’s just basic apologetics. You’re against that?
 
AmateurPianist said:
You guys as the one true church and at the same time acting like this.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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Yes, bad behavior is regretable, but, being in the One True Church does not guarantee good behavior. I hope you still remember how Peter – being one of the leaders of the One True Church – behaved before he was rebuked by Paul.
So, don’t give up. Rebuke us whenever we misbehave. But remember: bad behavior of some Catholics does not take ant thing away from the fact that the Catholic Church is the One True Church.

placido
 
  1. No I do not. I think if they understood Catholicism, then they would be a Catholic—no one would separate themself from The Catholic Church if they knew the truth…therefore, the person is either a) not competent to teach The Faith, or b) they don’t respect the faith enough to teach it objectively and properly. Either way–NO!!!
  2. Apologetics class is one thing…but they should be led by an Apologists…not heretics.
PaulinVA said:
Do you think that all teachers have to believe all of their subject area to be able actually teach the subject matter? Do you think that a Lutheran person can not understand and responsibly teach Catholicism?

Such classes are the weapons Catholics use to refute the arguments of the other denominations/other religions. You have to know your enemy to defeat them. That’s just basic apologetics. You’re against that?
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Lutheranteach said:
Asked by CAF member to quit my teaching job because I’m not Catholic.

I was a bit shocked to receive this as a private message. I took the name off as I don’t think it’s proper to call someone out publicly. But I did want others opinion. . . .

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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There aren’t a lot of members who so sign their posts with the designated Latin phrase. :eek:
 
Dum_Spiro_Spero said:
  1. No I do not. I think if they understood Catholicism, then they would be a Catholic—no one would separate themself from The Catholic Church if they knew the truth…therefore, the person is either a) not competent to teach The Faith, or b) they don’t respect the faith enough to teach it objectively and properly. Either way–NO!!!
  2. Apologetics class is one thing…but they should be led by an Apologists…not heretics.
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Exactly. It’s like me, a Catholic, teaching Islam to muslim kids. That would be awkward, and a failure on the part of the school. Catholics should teach Catholicism.
 
Aside from it being a demonstration of extremely poor manners to post the contents of a private message… isn’t it against the CAF rules?

This post, if the contents (a - d) are true, bears repeating:
1ke said:
I think is it disingenuous of you to post the content of the private message and act “shocked” that someone would suggest this to you. I’ve suggested it publicly. It is even further disingenuous to lead people to believe the root of the person’s suggest is “just” that you are Lutheran.

Perhaps some facts would assist people:

(a) You teach a religion class. You teach lessons that you can agree with, and you leave the classroom and let the principal teach any lesson that you have an objection to. That is a very poor example for students-- it undermines their faith. Their own teacher doesn’t agree with what is being taught and has to leave the room!

(b) When such occasions occur, you not only leave the room and let the principal teach the topic, but you then subsequently answer questions on why your religion teaches differently-- more undermining of the Catholic faith.

(c) You are in an invalid marriage with a quasi-practicing Catholic who refuses to convalidate your marriage. Public scandal.

(d) You are in a school that openly encourages non-Catholics to go through First Holy Communion and your own son-- baptized Lutheran-- went through First Holy Communion in the Catholic Church with neither of his parents intending to raise him Catholic while you proudly boast that he will go through Lutheran FHC and Confirmation in the Eighth Grade.

So, yes, if you were teaching in a Catholic school in which I had a child, I’d be raising holy hell about it. Of course, with the numerous whacko things you’ve described going on in your Catholic school, I’d probably be raising holy hell about the school in general at the diocesan level.

As to whether it was “right” for someone to send you this private message-- I think it was his Catholic duty to point out that maybe teaching religion at a Catholic school when you are an actively practicing Lutheran who cannot in good conscience teach what the Catholic Church teaches is not a good idea.

I also think he/she could have chosen better delivery.

I’m sure you are a fine language arts teacher, and a fine person in general. At least you seem to be here on CAF. I disagree with a non-Catholic teaching a Catholic religion class at a Catholic school. Shouldn’t be too surprising. I would disagree with a non-Lutheran religion teacher teaching Lutheran religion classes at a Lutheran school too.

Ultimately, it’s your choice what you do and your schoool’s choice to employ you. I think your school, in general, does a disservice to Catholic children based on the things you have posted here. But, if their parents don’t seem to care there isn’t much those of us here can do about it.
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