If all the bibles in the world were destroyed...

[Righteousone]

No sweat, the church would look to the Jews for the Old Testament scriptures.

If the Bibles were all destroyed, do you actually think the Hebrew scriptures would escape?

I don’t think so b/c the New Testament is the one we believe. Not saying the OT isn’t important, just that we don’t need to go to the Jews for anything when we already know that Christ is here and that the NT is what we should focus on. Jews don’t believe in christ, that He was the Messiah, that He died for our sins. So what good would that be?

 

[Lev23]

I don’t think so b/c the New Testament is the one we believe. Not saying the OT isn’t important, just that we don’t need to go to the Jews for anything when we already know that Christ is here and that the NT is what we should focus on. Jews don’t believe in christ, that He was the Messiah, that He died for our sins. So what good would that be?

The NT can be proved from the OT, they cannot be separated. I wouldn’t even begin to downplay the OT scriptures.

BTW, today some Jews DO believe in Christ. That is where we got our scriptures for the bible. Wheter it is Catholic or Protestant canon, it all came from Israelis. Israelis were the first to follow Christ.

 

[Righteousone]

The NT can be proved from the OT, they cannot be separated. I wouldn’t even begin to downplay the OT scriptures.

BTW, today some Jews DO believe in Christ. That is where we got our scriptures for the bible. Wheter it is Catholic or Protestant canon, it all came from Israelis. Israelis were the first to follow Christ.

I do not downplay the OT, show me where some Jews believe in Christ today? Are they not Christian then? Israelis were the first Christians to follow christ, they converted as the apostles did, Peter changing his name, Paul changing from Saul to Paul etc…Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah, they are still waiting…

 

[Lev23]

No sweat, the church would look to the Jews for the Old Testament scriptures.

If the Bibles were all destroyed, do you actually think the Hebrew scriptures would escape?

I should correct my first response. It would read–
No sweat, the Church would look for the Jews inside the Church for the scriptures of the bible.

Both the OT and the NT confirm God has and will always keep a faithful remnant of Israel saved. And you can be sure if God can preserve a remnant of Israel, the scriptures that came from Israel will be preserved also.

God has spoke throught the prophets about what we know as the 1st and second comings of Jesus, about Israel, the end, etc. He is not going to let the unbelieving world off the hook as far as not being foretold and forewarned of what will happen for their rejection of his son Jesus of Nazerath and their mis-treatment of Israel(Joel 3).

 

[Lev23]

I do not downplay the OT, show me where some Jews believe in Christ today? Are they not Christian then? Israelis were the first Christians to follow christ, they converted as the apostles did, Peter changing his name, Paul changing from Saul to Paul etc…Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah, they are still waiting…

You have no idea what you are saying.

Does a Mexican stop becoming a Mexican when they believe in Jesus? What about a Arab? What about so-called Palestineans? So why do Israelis have to stop being Israelis when they accept their Messiah Jesus?

 

[Lev23]

What would happen if the CC were obliterated by a plague ? Same answer.​

The Word of God will not pass away - He promised this in umabiguous terms. He made no such promise regarding the CC. If the CC were obliterated, He would provide.

Like St.Paul said in Romans 11:1-6
** I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”? And what was God’s answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.**

 

[MH84]

You have no idea what you are saying.

Does a Mexican stop becoming a Mexican when they believe in Jesus? What about a Arab? What about so-called Palestineans? So why do Israelis have to stop being Israelis when they accept their Messiah Jesus?

I think Righteousone is talking about Jews as in those who follow Judaism, not Jews as in ethnicity.

 

[Huguenot]

I do not downplay the OT, show me where some Jews believe in Christ today? Are they not Christian then? Israelis were the first Christians to follow christ, they converted as the apostles did, Peter changing his name, Paul changing from Saul to Paul etc…Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah, they are still waiting…

Some Jews do recognized in Jesus the awaited Messiah, aren’t there “Messianic Jews” in the USA ? there are in France …
and some join either a Protestant church or the Catholic Church …
The French Cardinal recently deceased Lustiger was a Jew and he converted to Catholicism …
At his burial, there were both a Jewish and a Catholic ceremony since he had never denied his Jewish origins : some Jews recited the Kaddish ( prayer for the dead )

 

[revelations]

You have no idea what you are saying.

Does a Mexican stop becoming a Mexican when they believe in Jesus? What about a Arab? What about so-called Palestineans? So why do Israelis have to stop being Israelis when they accept their Messiah Jesus?

Israeli’s don’t stop becoming Israeli’s when they accept Jesus, accepting Jesus has nothing to do with nationality. Judaism tends to get mixed up with the statehood of Israel. We’re not talking about the Jewish culture, but rather the Jewish faith. Accepting Jesus would affect the religion, not the culture.

ANYWAYS, the original intent of the thread wasn’t to argue if all the bibles in the world could be destroyed or not, or whether they would be. It was more of a hypothetical,

“if all the bibles (as we know it OT and NT) vanished suddenly, what would happen to the church organisations that proclaimed their authority to be scripture alone?”

The early church worked perfectly fine without a canon of scripture for the first 300 or so years.

-revelations

 

[Lev23]

Israeli’s don’t stop becoming Israeli’s when they accept Jesus, accepting Jesus has nothing to do with nationality. Judaism tends to get mixed up with the statehood of Israel. We’re not talking about the Jewish culture, but rather the Jewish faith. Accepting Jesus would affect the religion, not the culture.

Try explaining that to Righteousone.

 

[Lev23]

ANYWAYS, the original intent of the thread wasn’t to argue if all the bibles in the world could be destroyed or not, or whether they would be. It was more of a hypothetical,

“if all the bibles (as we know it OT and NT) vanished suddenly, what would happen to the church organisations that proclaimed their authority to be scripture alone?”

The early church worked perfectly fine without a canon of scripture for the first 300 or so years.

-revelations

Hypothetical or not, we can rest assure this will never happen. If God can save a faithful remnant of Israel, and he does, he can make sure his Word will be preserved also. The scriptures help prove his existence and that he is the one, true God.

God is batting a 1.000 with his prophecy and this fact alone makes his scriptures unique over any other “holy book” of ANY religion.

Luke tells us what the early Church preached and teached from-

Luke 24:44-45
**He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.**

 

[Righteousone]

Israeli’s don’t stop becoming Israeli’s when they accept Jesus, accepting Jesus has nothing to do with nationality. Judaism tends to get mixed up with the statehood of Israel. We’re not talking about the Jewish culture, but rather the Jewish faith. Accepting Jesus would affect the religion, not the culture.

ANYWAYS, the original intent of the thread wasn’t to argue if all the bibles in the world could be destroyed or not, or whether they would be. It was more of a hypothetical,

“if all the bibles (as we know it OT and NT) vanished suddenly, what would happen to the church organisations that proclaimed their authority to be scripture alone?”

The early church worked perfectly fine without a canon of scripture for the first 300 or so years.

-revelations

Yes, that is what I meant…Thw Jews became Christians in the days of Jesus.

 

[Righteousone]

Try explaining that to Righteousone.

Humble yourself Lev…

 

[Lev23]

Humble yourself Lev…

Consider me humbled.

 

[Righteousone]

Consider me humbled.

 

[Sparcz]

1st all churches preach man made doctrines and we believe them because it was nice to hear.

2nd All of us will suffer God,s wrath

3rd All false prophet will enjoy.

4rth not only the Graven Images was praised like God maybe the catholic will also praise the Pope like God also, Vicarius Filii Dei

5th it was Destroyed but the Prophecy and God’s word was Still
in the Heart of those who Wrote it and it will Happen Soon

 

[Sparcz]

The Bible is the word of God. As such, it must be the sole basis in serving Him. Since it contains the truth which will lead man to salvation from punishment on judgment day and to the attainment of the promised eternal life, people must value the teachings of God written therein by fulfilling them in life.
Why must we give primary importance to the teachings of the Bible? Why must we use the Bible as the sole basis of our service to God? Is there any substitute for the Bible? What if man uses own righteousness in serving God?
All major Religion of the World has their own sacred TEXTs upon which they base their faith. Islam the mole Religion uses Koran. The Brahmans of India have their Vedas. The Zoroastrians, a religion that came from Persia (Now Iran) use the Zend-Avesta as their basis of faith. The Confucians of China have the King as their beliefs on the Tripitaka.
But over and above all these is the Bible, the Sacred Scriptures recognized by whole Christendom. The Bible not only teaches morals but also most important, the will of God.
The Bible also testified that those who destroy or replaced any one of those commandments shall have punishment in the Day of Judgment in Matthew 5:17-19
The other Bible Verses that is related to your Question.
Hebrew 1:1-2
How It was Cared?
Jerimiah 30:1-2
Which book that contains the Words of God?
II Timothy 3:15
What is the difference between the Bible to the other man made scriptures or teachings?
II Timothy 3:16-17
The people wrote the Bible was guided by God
Revelation 10:4
That is why the Bible did not have any mistake or contradictions
Other Guide if the scripture was true and came from God
John 17:17; Isaiah 46:11; Matthew 24:6-8; Daniel 12:4; II Timothy 3:1-5; II timothy 4:1-4

 

[nsper7]

As an Episcopalian/Anglican (gonna join the Thames Swim Team in a couple months ), it would be bad if we lost Scripture, but I think the faith would continue on.

In terms of a rock for basing basic doctrines (i.e. Salvation, Baptism, Christolgy, etc.), we’d have the Apostles and Nicene Creed, the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion, the Anglican Catechism, the Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral and the Book of Common Prayer and probably a lot of other church documents. We’d even have the writings of the ECF and earlier Christians to go on.

With the BCP and our ordained Priests and Bishops, we could still do Baptism, Eucharist, Reconciliation of a Penitent, Confirmation, Holy Orders, Marriage, Annointing of the Sick, as well as the major services (Ash Wednesday, Holy Week, Christmas, etc.); however, assuming our Lectionaries were destroyed, all our services would be sans Scripture readings/lessons.

Although it would be very bad and a tragedy, I think the Anglican Communion would be able to carry on. After all, we could evangelize using our church writings if we had to.

 

[po18guy]

The Bible is the word of God. As such, it must be the sole basis in serving Him.

Man! You Evangelicals have the fire! But: Only Jesus is the Word. He is much more important than the bible, because only He can save you. The bible cannot. It can lead you to Christ, but it is not Christ. Remember that your faith is incomplete, because Christ does not dwell Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in your church. If you are not Catholic or Orthodox, you have never eaten His Body or drunk His Blood.

If you have any sort of desire for a deeper, more blessed relationship with Christ, I have a free book for you, written by an Evangelical. He is forever thankful to the Evangelical church for instilling a wonderful faith in Christ. But, he wanted more and found MORE! Ask me. There is an infinite amount more to Christ than just the bible, which says it is incomplete in three verses (Luke 3:18, John 20:30 and John 21:25).

Some have fallen into bible worship, which is dangerously close to idolatry. Worship Christ in the Blessed Sacrament and you will never go back! Amen, Alleluia!