If God is not The Trinity, when what did He mean...

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zerinus said:
I don’t know too much about the soup kitchens; but I do know that the LDS Church cooperates quite extensively with the Catholic Church in humanitarian relief work, especially overseas. Because the Catholic Church has had a longer presence in many third world and African countries, they have a better network for extending humanitarian relief in those areas, and the LDS Church has over the years donated many millions of dollars to the Catholic Church for humanitarian relief in those parts of the world.

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You know something? Despite our beliefs that vary, I believe with all my heart that works like that please God (when we work together to help the less fortunate).

That is precisely the core of the Christian message.
 
2ndGen said:
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You know something? Despite our beliefs that vary, I believe with all my heart that works like that please God (when we work together to help the less fortunate).

That is precisely the core of the Christian message.
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I agree with you 100%. In fact the LDS Church has not only donated money to the Catholic Church for humanitarian work; they have donated money to the Catholic Church for the Catholic Church! 😃 There is a Catholic Cathedral in Salt Lake City which a couple of decades ago needed extensive renovating. There weren’t enough Catholics in Utah at that time to be able to raise enough money to renovate it; so the LDS Church helped raise funds from Church members to donate to the Catholic Church for renovating the building. 🙂 LDS and Catholic Churches are good friends. It is only Mormon apostates here who have a private agenda for wanting to give the opposite impression. 😦

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
I agree with you 100%. In fact the LDS Church has not only donated money to the Catholic Church for humanitarian work; they have donated money to the Catholic Church for the Catholic Church! 😃 There is a Catholic Cathedral in Salt Lake City which a couple of decades ago needed extensive renovating. There weren’t enough Catholics in Utah at that time to be able to raise enough money to renovate it; so the LDS Church helped raise funds from Church members to donate to the Catholic Church for renovating the building. 🙂 LDS and Catholic Churches are good friends. It is only Mormon apostates here who have a private agenda for wanting to give the opposite impression. 😦

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Well, if they became Catholic converts, then they shouldn’t be speaking ill of their former faith. As for Mormonism, I don’t know much, but I’ve heard things. However, just as the Catholic faith has been misrepresented, I wouldn’t believe what I hear without talking to the source.

Regardless of anything, I’ve worked “with” Mormons in Arizona and found them to be very decent people.

I love how beautful their cathedrals are. Saw a beautiful on in San Diego.

I live by the “to each his own” credo.

I only argue with people who are either anti-Catholic or Catholics who are anti-me!

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🙂 hi zerinus. i don’t think so. i kinda new here. i definately learned a lot here so far. i don’t have very much knowledge concerning your faith. i probably know more about the apostate mormons than the originals. and that is very very little. keep the painted side up
 
2ndGen said:
I love how beautful their cathedrals are. Saw a beautiful on in San Diego.
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Glad to hear you liked them. We call them temples! 🙂 Unfortunately our temples are closed to non-LDS normally; but when they have just been built or renovated, the Church announces a period of “open house” when members of the public are invited to visit and see what the inside of them looks like. If you get a chance to go and see one, I recommend it. You will find it very interesting.

zerinus
 
fbl9 said:
🙂 hi zerinus. i don’t think so. i kinda new here. i definately learned a lot here so far. i don’t have very much knowledge concerning your faith. i probably know more about the apostate mormons than the originals. and that is very very little. keep the painted side up
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Thanks. Good to see you around too.

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2ndGen said:
If it were a literal meaining, is it your contention that out of all the animals, the snake was the only one that could talk?
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Satan is a cherub not a real snake. There was no real snake in Genesis.
2ndGen said:
Besides, Revelation defines who the serpent is…not an animal, but the devil, Satan:
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He is still a beast of the field in the Garden. As the cherubim in Ezekiel are also beasts.

Genesis 3:1 Now the **serpent **was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2ndGen said:
I’m sorry to spring this on you, but that serpent that Moses lifted up was a fake serpent…an idol. They used a fake serpent to combat the real serpents that had attacked those who needed to be healed (read in the passages from which John took that verse in Numbers 21:
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It was a good thing sent by God to heal the people, then the people spoiled it by turning it into a deity Nehushtan. As Christians have done with Jesus. He compared himself to the Brass Serpent for a reason.
 
2ndGen said:
Isn’t that what you were implying by stating that he was a beast?

Well, up until that point, had he crossed God?

If not, wouldn’t he still be the most glorious of Archangels?

That passage is regarding one’s faith. It comes from a compound verse:

John 3: 14
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life.”

It has nothing to do with the snake, but with the people’s “faith” in being healed. What was it that healed the persons bitten by snakes, the brass serpent? No…it was their faith. Just as it is one’s faith that saves them with Jesus.
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No, the Garden is in Paradise, not even in this world, where the beasts there are cherubim and such. Satan/Serpent wasn’t a snake but a cherubim. Satan knew when man was created that he was to be a servant to man, not the biggest baddest in the Garden, so he began plotting right away.

Well it has to do with being healed, but later wrongly turning the healer from God into God Himself and an idol. Both things, prophecy happens for a reason.
 
2ndGen said:
Garden in Paradise?
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You can’t get to it from this world.

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
You can’t get to it from this world.

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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But The Bible tells us that The Garden of Eden is in Iraq?
 
2ndGen said:
But The Bible tells us that The Garden of Eden is in Iraq?
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Yes I don’t think you can get to it unless God lets you, like in the other dimension.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Yes I don’t think you can get to it unless God lets you, like in the other dimension.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
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So then your assertion is a personal (and not scriptural) belief then?
 
2ndGen said:
So then your assertion is a personal (and not scriptural) belief then?
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“To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life” means to me you can’t get to it unless God lets you, what does it mean to you?

Maybe they will do some digging in Iraq and find a cherub with a flaming sword, I don’t really know.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Cherubim

Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

Ezekiel 10:8 And there appeared in the cherubims** the form of a man’s hand** under their wings.
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What?:bigyikes:

If you go back, starting at verse (5) and read this in context, you we discover that the description that you provided is referring to the “likeness” of “four creatures” and it does not mention anywhere that these “creatures” helped God create man.

Besides, it is written; the “likeness” of “four creatures”, not “the four (actual) creatures”.

Do you know what “likeness" means?

Is this your response to the question, found in the quote listed below?
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When God said" Let Us make man in Our own image." in Genesis, Who are the “Us”**,

Are you implying, that these “four creatures” *help God make man? *

Is this is your final answer?

Is this what all Muslims believe or just you?

(I am assuming that Faith of Abraham means you are Muslim? If not please correct me)
5 And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the form of men, 6 but each had four faces, and each of them had four wings. 7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf’s foot; and they sparkled like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. And the four had their faces and their wings thus: (Ezekiel (RSV) 1)
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Jimmy_B said:
If you go back and read this in context you we see that the description that you provided is referring to the “likeness” of “four creatures” and does not mention anywhere that these “creatures” helped God create man. Besides, it is written; the “likeness” of “four creatures”, not “the four (actual) creatures”. Do you know what “likeness means?
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If the cherubim had a man’s face and hands it is reasonable to assume we are created in the physical likeness of that and they were there when God created man. As well as being created with abilities to love, hate, etc. like God. Don’t you think?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
If the cherubim had a man’s face and hands it is reasonable to assume we are created in the physical likeness of that and they were there when God created man. As well as being created with abilities to love, hate, etc. like God. Don’t you think?
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Hello FaithofAbraham

Ah… No!

How is it possible that “we are created in the physical likeness of that”?

You are kidding me, right? I have never seen a man with four animal faces or a man with the"likeness" of four animal faces, have you? where is there such a man?
 
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