"If I were Pope" (Baptized Catholic males only)

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Lost_Sheep said:
If I were Pope that would change. It falls under Faith and Morals so I could exercise my power of Infallibility to make it so.
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I think you seriously misunderstand infallibility. Popes don’t create the truth, but rather are protected from deviating from it. All that is to be believed is contained in the deposit of faith, but let us say that you did have the power; why would you use it? It would completely defeat the purpose of an excommunication which seeks the repentance of the sinner in question.
 
Saints_Alive said:
bait

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When I read a post that in my mind roughly translates to “conditionally consecrate and conditionally ordain everyone that had it done with the ‘new rite’ with the old one”, I think I’m allowed to ask what’s wrong with the “new rite”? The only way we’d have a blanket conditional ordination/consecration of the “old rite” is if there was doubt of the validity of the new.

If you want to switch to back to the old rite, no problem! I’m fine with disciplines being switched, that’s very much an option. But by conditionally using it on everyone means you’re saying that nothing done was valid in the last 40whatever years, that isn’t a discipline being changed.
 
Melchior said:
When I read a post that in my mind roughly translates to “conditionally consecrate and conditionally ordain everyone that had it done with the ‘new rite’ with the old one”, I think I’m allowed to ask what’s wrong with the “new rite”? The only way we’d have a blanket conditional ordination/consecration of the “old rite” is if there was doubt of the validity of the new.

If you want to switch to back to the old rite, no problem! I’m fine with disciplines being switched, that’s very much an option. But by conditionally using it on everyone means you’re saying that nothing done was valid in the last 40whatever years, that isn’t a discipline being changed.
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You would be surprised how many people think that God completely dropped the ball with this whole “Church” thing for the last 40+ years. Personally, I find their lack of faith disturbing.
 
Ah well, I’ve never been much for mystery novels. I’ll ask my mother next time I see her; she knows all of Agatha Christie’s works by heart, and she is the primary reason I knew of Father Brown before I had read “Heretics” and “Orthodoxy”.
 
Ah! How wonderful. I didn’t know Sir Alec Guinness was Catholic. I have always admired him and his professionalism.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
I think you seriously misunderstand infallibility. Popes don’t create the truth, but rather are protected from deviating from it. All that is to be believed is contained in the deposit of faith, but let us say that you did have the power; why would you use it? It would completely defeat the purpose of an excommunication which seeks the repentance of the sinner in question.
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You have your interpretation, and I have mine.
 
But His Hypotheticalness, Pius XIII will lead all to victory. My scenario seems most refreshing and tame.
 
You know it is interesting. Pope Benedict XVI could be considered a reluctant pope. From the accounts of his election he did not want this.

Do you know the story of Pope St Fabian?
From Wiki
Pope Fabian ruled from 10 January 236 to 20 January 250, succeeding Pope Anterus. He is honored as a saint by the Catholic Church.
Eusebius of Caesarea (Church History, VI. 29) relates how the Christians, having assembled in Rome to elect a new pope, saw a dove alight upon the head of Fabian, a layman and stranger to the city, who was thus marked out for this dignity and was at once proclaimed bishop by acclamation, although there were several famous men among the candidates for the vacant position.[1]
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So, here is a guy living in some pretty scary times to be a Christian and Popes are dying left and right. Some poor layman is walking by and a dove lands on him! I can see the electors looking around going “no man, not me, I dont want to be pope. Any Volunteers? Nope. Ok, hey, look a dove just landed on that poor chap over there! He is our guy!”😃

I think Benedict can relate to that early Pope…
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
Yes, and yours is incorrect. Do you realize that you are appealing to relativism?
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Throwing my hat in and ducking under a table… I can’t find the female version of this question that was included earlier.

If I were Pope, I would focus more on the gospel of our Lord and less on legalism.

Still ducking with armour…:frighten:
 
grasscutter said:
Throwing my hat in and ducking under a table… I can’t find the female version of this question that was included earlier.

If I were Pope, I would focus more on the gospel of our Lord and less on legalism.

Still ducking with armour…:frighten:
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How do you mean? 🙂 I haven’t found our popes to have been consumed by legalism at the expense of the gospel.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
How do you mean? 🙂 I haven’t found our popes to have been consumed by legalism at the expense of the gospel.
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Not the Pope. Just my observation on these forums. It worries me that we spend so much time focusing on legalism that we are in danger of failing to evangelize the Gospel. So many examples: EF vs. OF. COTT vs. CITH, etc. ad nauseam… Jesus prayed that we would be one, He didn’t pray that we would maintain altar rails. Not that that would be wrong, I’m just concerned that we sometimes miss the larger picture. All of us fall short of God’s perfection. We all need to rely on Him. I hope that you can extrapolate my larger meaning because I’m not good at articulating my thoughts. :o
 
grasscutter said:
Not the Pope. Just my observation on these forums. It worries me that we spend so much time focusing on legalism that we are in danger of failing to evangelize the Gospel. So many examples: EF vs. OF. COTT vs. CITH, etc. ad nauseam… Jesus prayed that we would be one, He didn’t pray that we would maintain altar rails. Not that that would be wrong, I’m just concerned that we sometimes miss the larger picture. All of us fall short of God’s perfection. We all need to rely on Him. I hope that you can extrapolate my larger meaning because I’m not good at articulating my thoughts. :o
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If one truly understands the Gospel then one Truly understands legality and why it is important.
Why is it that preach the gospel to unite us in oneness usually means losing our identity?
When Jesus gave us the Church, he intended it to be legalistic. Or else we have failed for 2000 years to be the Church of God. Funny, in this day and age of literacy, freedom, and open gospel access in a church that has trended away from legalism for a while now some still cannot appreciate liturgy.🤷
 
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