If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?

[marietta]

“I agree, and plan to give my child that same talk. She is going to know that its not an option for her to experiment with her body with sex until she is married.”

She is going to know that **you believe she should not exercise her **option to experiment with her body with sex until she is married.

By the time you have that little chat with her, she may already have explored her own sexuality by herself or with other kids in the neighborhood, or she may already be one of the many unlucky ones who have been molested or assaulted. This is where your values will pale in comparison to her reality, and you likely will never know it.

*“I am going to start in big with respecting your own body, its a temple, ect. Treat it with respect. God gave you this beauty to glorify him and not to abuse it.” *

She may start out treating her body with respect; but when other factors come into play, such as peer pressure, attraction to the opposite sex, a reach for autonomy, even depression, don’t be surprised if she changes.

Give her medical information as well as stuff about the lives of the saints. She needs to have a well-rounded education about sexuality in order to make smart choices in her life. It is, after all, her body, moms and dads, not yours.

marietta

 

[notsmart]

Its HER body GOD gave her. I did nothing more than be blessed by GOD to have been fortunate enough to have given birth to her.
I am going to have to as a parent, teach her what GOD wants her to do with her body, since HE gave her life, I merely was a person that was involved in the event, not the creator of Life.

“I agree, and plan to give my child that same talk. She is going to know that its not an option for her to experiment with her body with sex until she is married.”

She is going to know that **you believe she should not exercise her **option to experiment with her body with sex until she is married.

By the time you have that little chat with her, she may already have explored her own sexuality by herself or with other kids in the neighborhood, or she may already be one of the many unlucky ones who have been molested or assaulted. This is where your values will pale in comparison to her reality, and you likely will never know it.

*“I am going to start in big with respecting your own body, its a temple, ect. Treat it with respect. God gave you this beauty to glorify him and not to abuse it.” *

She may start out treating her body with respect; but when other factors come into play, such as peer pressure, attraction to the opposite sex, a reach for autonomy, even depression, don’t be surprised if she changes.

Give her medical information as well as stuff about the lives of the saints. She needs to have a well-rounded education about sexuality in order to make smart choices in her life. It is, after all, her body, moms and dads, not yours.

marietta

 

[marietta]

“Its HER body GOD gave her. I did nothing more than be blessed by GOD to have been fortunate enough to have given birth to her. I am going to have to as a parent, teach her what GOD wants her to do with her body, since HE gave her life, I merely was a person that was involved in the event, not the creator of Life.”

Agreed. Is there a problem?

marietta

 

[notsmart]

“Its HER body GOD gave her. I did nothing more than be blessed by GOD to have been fortunate enough to have given birth to her. I am going to have to as a parent, teach her what GOD wants her to do with her body, since HE gave her life, I merely was a person that was involved in the event, not the creator of Life.”

Agreed. Is there a problem?

marietta

No. Because God’s plan does not involve condoms, or premarital sex, or birth control to remove risk and consequenses of it.
Like I said, she is going to have to wait until marriage.

If I have to lock her up and hire a security guard to insure it.

 

[RobHom]

Here is a great short video snippet -

Sex before marriage, yeah it’s like that.

It is an interesting video clip…has a message, but I think it could have been more pointed. But it does make a clear point!

 

[RobHom]

Rob- I will be like a broken record player on this one. I think I will also have to get her to start a devotion to Mary (always virgin) and the females in the bible and saints who that are good role models this way. I don’t think there are a lot of married saints though.

My prayers are with you, and all parents who face these issues today!!

 

[estesbob]

One more thing: a blastula is not a baby.

marietta

And a baby is not a teenager, and a teenager is not adult, like blastula all are merely descriptions of what stage of life the human being is in. Labels should not be used to justify the killing of human beings.

 

[estesbob]

Why does it matter what a “politician” thinks? Is this not a matter of the “heart and conscience” of the individual?

If you care what a “politician” thinks on this level, then why not consult “Brittany Spears”…

Frankly, the “government” needs to shut up and stay out of our lives.

Because a politician has the power to implement laws empowering women to kill their children. Britney Spears does not.

The idea that abortion is merely a political issue is specious .

 

[RobHom]

Because a politician has the power to implement laws empowering women to kill their children. Britney Spears does not.

Precisely!

The idea that abortion is merely a political issue is specious .

Precisely!! And that was exactly what my point was…in a left handed manner… But its obvious that you “got it”!!

 

[PLAL]

NFP vs. Contraception

Natural Family Planning is the knowledge of a couple’s fertility. It is a knowledge base about a couple’s ability to conceive a child.

The application of this knowledge in a particular marriage is called responsible parenthood. The couple either decides to try to achieve a pregnancy or to avoid by timing their use of the privileges of marriage according to the knowledge of their mutual fertility. (The man, if healthy, is fertile all the time. The woman, if healthy, is fertile about three or four days a month.)

Responsible parenthood differs from contraception in two ways:

1. There is no alteration of the bodies of either the husband or wife and this is a huge difference.
2. When the couple uses the privileges of marriage, they are not holding back at all or refusing to give everything they are, physically and spiritually.

If they are infertile at the time, this is the result of the way God created them. They are giving themselves totally to one another AS THEY ARE AT THAT MOMENT. No one could require more. Further, God never asked couples to use the privileges of marriage at any particular time. That decision is completely theirs. So, in the marital act during an infertile period, husband and wife who are applying the knowledge of their fertility (NFP) responsibly (responsible parenthood) are giving everything they are at that moment to one another.

The intention is also different. The NFP couple realizes that in every marital union there is a chance (perhaps remote) of conceiving a child and they accept this possibility. The contracepting couple (even if only with condoms) has a positive intention against conception.
An example might help: I want some money from a bank. It makes a huge difference whether I go to the bank and draw the money out from a checking account or whether I approach a teller with a gun and “withdraw” $100. Either way, I get the $100, but one act is radically different from the other.

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More…

ccli.org/nfp/index.php

chastity.com/chastity/index.php?id=7&cat=Birth%20Control

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Video/Audio for your kids…

chastity.com/seminars/index.php?id=5

Free CD - Janet Smith “Contraception Why Not” (upper left hand corner)

omsoul.com

 

[beeliner]

“2. Why is it wrong, by chemical or barrier means? And why, apart from Catholicism and ultra-Orthodox Judaism, does almost no one see it as wrong, but rather as responsible parenting?”

If the whole world thought offering up baby sacrifices were correct, the Catholic Church would still condemn it.
What others do or dont do no matter how many- does not mean its the right way to do things.

When responding to a post asking a question, it is common courtesy to answer the question.

Why is it wrong and why is it not responsible parenting?

How about a straight, intelligent answer instead of the usual gobbledygook?

 

[notsmart]

When responding to a post asking a question, it is common courtesy to answer the question.

Why is it wrong and why is it not responsible parenting?

How about a straight, intelligent answer instead of the usual gobbledygook?

I think its wrong because there are medical side effects to these methods.

 

[PLAL]

I think its wrong because there are medical side effects to these methods.

You really need to give better answers than this when going against Church Teaching. Please explain?

 

[notsmart]

You really need to give better answers than this when going against Church Teaching. Please explain?

How am I going against chruch teaching???

I was replying to another poster and put their words in " "

my words are below theirs.

 

[beeliner]

I think its wrong because there are medical side effects to these methods.

Fair enough, that is a straight answer, which is all I requested.

I agree with you that chemical methods pose some risks, as does taking aspirin or other medications.

Barrier methods, particularly condoms, are virtually safe, certainly safer than unprotected sex, which runs the risk of various cross-infections, even in the case of totally faithful married couples.

What, then, is the Church’s objection, based on common sense and intelligent examination of the issue?

Or is the Church’s postion senseless and unintelligent?

 

[PLAL]

What, then, is the Church’s objection, based on common sense and intelligent examination of the issue?

Or is the Church’s postion senseless and unintelligent?

Do you think sex was created as a sport or do you believe God wanted pro-creation to be a part of the act?

 

[notsmart]

Fair enough, that is a straight answer, which is all I requested.

I agree with you that chemical methods pose some risks, as does taking aspirin or other medications.

Barrier methods, particularly condoms, are virtually safe, certainly safer than unprotected sex, which runs the risk of various cross-infections, even in the case of totally faithful married couples.

What, then, is the Church’s objection, based on common sense and intelligent examination of the issue?

Or is the Church’s postion senseless and unintelligent?

Dude, I am not a catholic!

I dont think you need to be one to see they are correct.

 

[RobHom]

Barrier methods, particularly condoms, are virtually safe, certainly safer than unprotected sex, which runs the risk of various cross-infections, even in the case of totally faithful married couples.

Not necessarily. Perhaps reading this report from the National Institutes of Health will clarify the issue:

metrokc.gov/health/APU/std/condomefficacy.htm

What, then, is the Church’s objection, based on common sense and intelligent examination of the issue?

Or is the Church’s postion senseless and unintelligent?

As a Catholic you should already know the basis and reasons for the Church’s position on the issue.

 

[notsmart]

Wow, I am confused, I assumed beeliner was a practicing catholic!

I am interested in the catholic faith because it makes sense. Everything else lacks some logic or something that leaves a dry taste in the mouth.

I am sorry beeliner, that you don’t see the logic or intelligence in the stand the Catholic Church takes on chemical prevention of pregnancy. I cited medical reasons for objecting, as a non catholic, but I hope to one day be a catholic. What will my reasoning be for it then, in addition to what I have already decided?

Simple. Trust in the Church to know best. Additionally, it would be for historical reasons. I dont think there is a historical basis in christianity to use these methods. I like going with the original version of christianity, not the types who decided for themselves what they would do, and ignore the ones who came before them and their wisdom on the matter.

Turns out, for good reasons (such as not using another person for pleasure) are logical to me.

 

[RobHom]

Wow, I am confused, I assumed beeliner was a practicing catholic!

Apparently not…

I am interested in the catholic faith because it makes sense. Everything else lacks some logic or something that leaves a dry taste in the mouth.

It is good that it is that way…and that is why after my separation from the Church (for poor reasons I might add) I reverted and feel much better about myself and my life. Everything else was illogical and dry or bitter to my taste, heart and mind.

I am sorry beeliner, that you don’t see the logic or intelligence in the stand the Catholic Church takes on chemical prevention of pregnancy. I cited medical reasons for objecting, as a non catholic, but I hope to one day be a catholic. What will my reasoning be for it then, in addition to what I have already decided?

Beyond the physical medical issues, it is a moral issue of which the Church has spoken at length about.

Simple. Trust in the Church to know best. Additionally, it would be for historical reasons. I dont think there is a historical basis in christianity to use these methods. I like going with the original version of christianity, not the types who decided for themselves what they would do, and ignore the ones who came before them and their wisdom on the matter.

Although some of other faiths would accuse you and I of being subject to the whims of the Church…I am in full agreement with you for the very reasons that you have mentioned.

Turns out, for good reasons (such as not using another person for pleasure) are logical to me.

Even though there is a modicum of pleasure to be had, it is really an act of love…and there is no sin in that. Where the wrongfulness takes over is when it is or has become nothing more than a “physical pursuit” for personal satisfaction…