If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?

[notsmart]

“Even though there is a modicum of pleasure to be had, it is really an act of love…and there is no sin in that. Where the wrongfulness takes over is when it is or has become nothing more than a “physical pursuit” for personal satisfaction…”

Right. Having a purely physical pursuit like that does add up in my mind as using someone as an object. You may love that person who you objectifyed, but then you have a blurry image of what true love is I think.

I guess its easy for me to say all this, when I can’t medically have any more children. But, I can say that I would have to face the facts on this at some point if I could. The end question I would have to ask myself, is I am willing to just get what I want out of life, or what God intended for me? I bet he has a better plan than I do.

Life begins at conception, and marriage is the place God meant for it to happen. Simple. He did not give anyone any reason to think otherwise. As far as chemical methods to prevent conception, one can see it has side effects. If one is catholic, they see another dimension to it. I am going to try to get through Theology of the Body to get a handle on it, but I think its going to be in that document from just googling around and searching here.

I guess its a trust matter. I let myself decide what was best nearly my entire life. I need a vacation, and I will let God take over now.

 

[bpbasilphx]

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What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…**

I’ve heard it claimed that 15-75% of fertilized ova never implant, but I’ve YET to find out how these statistics were determined.

 

[estesbob]

What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…**
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So?

 

[RobHom]

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What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…**

I’ve heard it claimed that 15-75% of fertilized ova never implant, but I’ve YET to find out how these statistics were determined.

Supposedly based on “empirical data”… but medicine and science are not finite “things”…

Control groups are not.

Test groups are not.

? Why say that?

Because, we in reality cannot control or test that which we have no control over.

I have known married couples who are both healthy in all aspects, who tried for years to have children…and didn’t, then all of the sudden…they were successful. Kind of makes you wonder if we have any real control over the issue…

 

[RobHom]

“notsmart”… Perhaps some of the answers which you seek can be found here. Its a bit of a read…but it covers all of the bases, and will more than likely clarify the issue for you…

Its the 1968 Encyclical Letter of Pope Paul VI on the Regulation of Birth.

newadvent.org/library/docs_pa06hv.htm

BTW… Your “monniker” does you an injustice, in my opinion!

 

[beeliner]

Do you think sex was created as a sport or do you believe God wanted pro-creation to be a part of the act?

According to the Bible, God wanted the earth populated. I think He is satisfied that that goal has been met.

I don’t regard physical love between spouses as a sport. If you do, I pity your spouse.

Dude, I am not a catholic! I dont think you need to be one to see they are correct.

Please name some non-Catholic denominations, other than Hassidic Jews, who ‘see that they are correct’ and forbid contraception for puposes of responsible family planning.

As a Catholic you should already know the basis and reasons for the Church’s position on the issue.

I KNOW them. Making anything sensible of them is another matter.

Simple. Trust in the Church to know best…Turns out, for good reasons (such as not using another person for pleasure) are logical to me.

I trust the Church to know best regarding my relationship with God. When I close my bedroom door, the Church remains outside.

Married couples are supposed to share physical pleasure - that is an important part of marriage.

 

[notsmart]

“Please name some non-Catholic denominations, other than Hassidic Jews, who ‘see that they are correct’ and forbid contraception for puposes of responsible family planning.”

Faith is not judged by POPULAR OPINION.

Jesus made that clear enough!

 

[marietta]

notsmart quotes beeliner:

“Please name some non-Catholic denominations, other than Hassidic Jews, who ‘see that they are correct’ and forbid contraception for puposes of responsible family planning.”

notsmart responds:

*"Faith is not judged by POPULAR OPINION.

Jesus made that clear enough!"*

Not only does this empty rejoinder totally circumvent beeliner’s request, it is an unconscionably arrogant slam against every faith other than the Catholic faith. Do some homework: know what you’re defending.

Unbelievable.

marietta

 

[PLAL]

According to the Bible, God wanted the earth populated. I think He is satisfied that that goal has been met.I don’t regard physical love between spouses as a sport. If you do, I pity your spouse.

1. I don’t think so!

Can The Entire World Population Fit Within The Boundries of Texas?

LEGEND

1 Acre = 43,560 Square Feet

1 Square Mile = 640 Acres or 27,878,400 Square Feet (640 x 43,560)

——————–

World Population = 6,276,000,000 people

State of Texas = 268,601 Square Miles or 171,904,640 Acres (268,601 x 640) or 7,488,166,118,400 Square Feet (268,601 x 640 x 43,560)

———————-

Average Size 2-Story Home with 3-4 Bedrooms = 1,500 to 2,400 Square Feet (Thus 750 - 1,200 Square Feet is Needed on the Ground Floor).

This home would fit 5-6 people per house comfortably!

Therefore 150-240 (750 to 1,200/ 5 people per household) Square Feet of Ground Space Per Person is needed to fit 5-6 people comfortably in a 2-story home in the state of Texas.

——————–

State of Texas = 7,488,166,118,400 Square Feet/ 6,276,000,000 people in the world = 1,193 Square Feet Per Person is available for the entire world’s population to live in the state of Texas.

As noted above only 150-240 Square Feet of Ground Space is needed per person to fit 5-6 people comfortably in a 2-story home in the state of Texas!!!

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You can double check my math!

1. 50% of married couples who contracept end up in divorce. Studies show married couples who practice NFP only divorce between 0-4% of the time.

Looks to me if you really love your spouse, contraception is never an option!

 

[mapleoak]

What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…

In what way does the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd fail to understand this? Further, what bearing does it have on the discussion? A perpendicular parallel.

 

[notsmart]

notsmart quotes beeliner:

“Please name some non-Catholic denominations, other than Hassidic Jews, who ‘see that they are correct’ and forbid contraception for puposes of responsible family planning.”

notsmart responds:

*"Faith is not judged by POPULAR OPINION.

Jesus made that clear enough!"*

Not only does this empty rejoinder totally circumvent beeliner’s request, it is an unconscionably arrogant slam against every faith other than the Catholic faith. Do some homework: know what you’re defending.

Unbelievable.

marietta

Yes, it is unbelieveable things that make people walk from Jesus.

Like- This is my body----

Many left over that one.

 

[mapleoak]

According to the Bible, God wanted the earth populated. I think He is satisfied that that goal has been met.

Nope. According to the Bible, God wanted man to be ‘fruitful and multiply’. There is no mention of populating the earth. The directive still holds in the presense of a populated earth. BTW the earth has been populated from the beginning.

When I close my bedroom door, the Church remains outside.

No, you only think the Church remains outside.

Married couples are supposed to share physical pleasure - that is an important part of marriage.

Don’t forget that the unitive and procreative aspects are inseparable.

 

[beeliner]

In what way does the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd fail to understand this? Further, what bearing does it have on the discussion? A perpendicular parallel.

You should have finished the quote. I said that if that were true, there would be more souls in limbo than in heaven, hell and purgatory (and I forgot to mention earth) combined.

Somehow, like the ban on contraception, that doesn’t seem logical. But what the hey, maybe that’s where angels come from. (Curiously, the German word for abortionist is Engelmacher.)

 

[marietta]

PLAL:

Been to New York City lately? Tokyo? Singapore? The earth is as populated as it needs to be. A leveling-off of births would suit me just fine. We need to leave some places to run to for solitude. I don’t believe God intended for us to populate every square inch of ground on this taxed planet.

All the mathematical sparklers in your post do nothing to prop up the idea that continuing to bring child after child after child into the world is a great idea. It is not.

*“50% of married couples who contracept end up in divorce. Studies show married couples who practice NFP only divorce between 0-4% of the time.” *

Where does this statistic come from? And what are their stats for domestic violence, separation, child abuse, suicide and murder?

Just sayin’ . . .

marietta

 

[beeliner]

“Please name some non-Catholic denominations, other than Hassidic Jews, who ‘see that they are correct’ and forbid contraception for puposes of responsible family planning.”

Faith is not judged by POPULAR OPINION.

Jesus made that clear enough!

I made that request in response to your own claim that one did not have to be a Catholic to see that they were correct on contraception.

I’m still waiting, and while you’re at it, please quote Jesus regarding family planning.

 

[SeekerJen]

To answer the question: it’s a smart marketing move. Condoms have a pretty high failure rate, even if used correctly (often they are not). If PP gives out a condom and it fails, the likelihood that they’ve just gained another customer to shell out hundreds of dollars for an abortion increases drastically.

 

[mapleoak]

The Catholic Church’s teachings on artificial birth control place every single Catholic couple, married or not, in a Catch 22 position.

The Catholic Church’s teaching on artificial birth control places every single Catholic couple, who chooses to follow the Church’s teaching, in favor with God.

 

[beeliner]

“50% of married couples who contracept end up in divorce. Studies show married couples who practice NFP only divorce between 0-4% of the time.”

Where does this statistic come from? And what are their stats for domestic violence, separation, child abuse, suicide and murder?
I would like to know that too. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Catholics divorce less than non-Catholics. But less than 4% - with or without NFP - doesn’t ring true.

 

[notsmart]

I made that request in response to your own claim that one did not have to be a Catholic to see that they were correct on contraception.

I’m still waiting, and while you’re at it, please quote Jesus regarding family planning.

I said Jesus did not care what was popular opinion. Sadly, you do.

 

[notsmart]

To answer the question: it’s a smart marketing move. Condoms have a pretty high failure rate, even if used correctly (often they are not). If PP gives out a condom and it fails, the likelihood that they’ve just gained another customer to shell out hundreds of dollars for an abortion increases drastically.

They -]sell/-] basically give away poor quality condoms on purpose for that $$$ machine of killing babies.