If lutherans come to unite with the CC, what is going to happen to their females bishops?

[hn160]

As an LCMS, I find it untrue to the Lutheran confessions to ignore ecumenical dialogue. One needs only to read the conclusion of Augsburg. And it is my single biggest complaint about our synod. We stay true to the confessions regarding our clergy, that is true, and it puts us in an even better position to dialogue with Rome.

Regarding the JDDJ, I find it a wonderful Lutheran document as far as it goes. I’ve read the LCMS response and just scratch my head. I recently spoke with one of the dialogue members of the recently released “The Hope of Eternal Life” document here in America with the USCCB. The main complaint seems to be it isn’t complete enough. Ok. I get that. Baby steps, please.
Instead we sit back, accept nothing, and allow the liberal bodies to do the work (sometimes good work, like the JDDJ).

Jon

Catholics and Lutherans can say the same words about Justification but they have a different meaning as in the case of JDDJ. Both sides in this case were not completely honest with each other. See the article by Robert Sungenis, M.A on TheLutheran/Catholic Joint Declaration on Justification at
franciscan-archive.org/apologetica/sungenis.html
Robert A. Sungenis (born 1955), is a American Catholic apologist.

 

[TarkanAttila]

In the history of the CATHOLIC Church,
women have never been ordained for any reason.

Any who try to do so are instantly excommunicated.
Ordination is a gift that can NOT be given to women.

Thus I put it into quotes to convey that I was speaking metaphorically.

They don’t possess the name deacon–they are called “deaconess”

The role is different as well as the name.

Calling them female deacons is like calling the wife of the priest a “female priest” just because she’s called the hureeya (or presbytera).

Point made.

 

[ufamtobie]

I am wondering about that.

What are your thoughts on this?

Wisdomseeker, they’ll become Nuns perhaps

Ufam Tobie

 

[wisdomseeker]

Wisdomseeker, they’ll become Nuns perhaps

Ufam Tobie

Hummm…

 

[Miriam1947]

Correct me if i am wrong but in my country there is some Lutheran priests who has converted to the Catholic church and they were allowed to continue their priesthood in the church even though some of them even are married and with children.

Therefore not all Lutheran men would become laymen, the clergy is allowed to continue as clergy.

They can become priests but, it is not automatic. They have to meet certain criteria and they have to be ordained as a priest. When they first enter they are laymen. They are not clergy.

for instance:

In 1990, after years of uneasiness in the Lutheran church, Father Neuhaus was accepted into the Catholic Church by Cardinal John O’Connor of New York in the chapel of the cardinal’s residence on Madison Avenue. A year later the cardinal ordained him a priest. Father Neuhaus insisted that his conversion was not so much political as theological. He said the goal of Martin Luther’s Reformation had always been a united Christian church.

nytimes.com/2009/01/09/us/09neuhaus.html

 

[Maciosaig]

I guess the same thing that should happen to homosexual priests and child raping priests. BTW keep seeking wisdom because WELS and LCMC do not ordain women. But contrary to Gods law the Catholic church still won’t let priests be married EXCEPT if you are already a pastor from another Christian religion and are married and wish to convert to Catholicism!

 

[catharina]

I guess the same thing that should happen to homosexual priests and child raping priests. BTW keep seeking wisdom because WELS and LCMC do not ordain women. But **contrary to Gods law **the Catholic church still won’t let priests be married EXCEPT if you are already a pastor from another Christian religion and are married and wish to convert to Catholicism!

“Contrary to God’s law?”
What does that mean???

St. Paul states that the **best **way for all is to embrace celibacy.
Within the Catholic Church, allowances are made for a married priesthood -
but NOT within the Latin Rite. It’s called “sacrifice.”

If you actually believe that celbacy leads to child sexual abuse,
you are dead wrong. Get educated, please. Pedophiles are
married, unmarried, never married, frequently married.

Marriage is NOT a cure for those who want sexual contact with children.
Also the Vatican is quite on-guard against allwoing the ordination
of any given to following homosexual urges. Read about it!

 

[silicasandra]

I guess the same thing that should happen to homosexual priests and child raping priests. BTW keep seeking wisdom because WELS and LCMC do not ordain women. But contrary to Gods law the Catholic church still won’t let priests be married EXCEPT if you are already a pastor from another Christian religion and are married and wish to convert to Catholicism!

 

[John7]

What are your thoughts on this?

could the Catholic Church allow a female Lutheran pastorette
to get a sex-change operation in order to become a man and
remain a cleric as a Catholic priest?
or doesn’t it work that way
(if Chaz Bono was Lutheran could he/she become a priest?)

 

[Maciosaig]

“Contrary to God’s law?”
What does that mean???

St. Paul states that the **best **way for all is to embrace celibacy.
Within the Catholic Church, allowances are made for a married priesthood -
but NOT within the Latin Rite. It’s called “sacrifice.”

If you actually believe that celbacy leads to child sexual abuse,
you are dead wrong. Get educated, please. Pedophiles are
married, unmarried, never married, frequently married.

Marriage is NOT a cure for those who want sexual contact with children.
Also the Vatican is quite on-guard against allwoing the ordination
of any given to following homosexual urges. Read about it!

 

[Troy_Stamper]

I don’t think the CC will ever accept women as clergy let alone Lutheran bishops. My reasoning is that Jesus did not choose a women as one of the twelve. Also, none of “the twelve” chose a women when they were laying hands on those who would replace them. I am not saying that it is either right or wrong however, never in the history of the Church has a women been ordained and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Their ordination would be considered invalid and they would have to return to being a part of the laity.