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I know very well, understand, and acknowledge that He is, was, and ever will be the Second Person of the Trinity. Read my posts.Jesus = God. Why are you, obviously educated and knowledgable concerning scripture, finding it so hard to believe that Jesus Christ was then, is now, and ever will be God, second Person of the Holy Trinity?
But what men have done, for the sake of proclaiming His deity, is obscure the glorious significance of the Son becoming a MAN. His humanity (not His deity) * is the miracle of the all the ages, now and for all eternity. The wonder is the the all amazing fact that the Son took on true humanity (without divesting His Deity), and as a true MAN (not as God) humbly lived His life here on earth in COMPLETE obedience to the Father, as the Scriptures say,"…He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross*" (read Phil. 2:6-11; cf. Matt. 26:39)As the “second man” (not as God, though He was God) He did what the first man did not. And through His humanity (not His deity), this “Last Adam” redeemed (through faith) by the shedding of His blood, through the sacrifice of Himself, those who were under eternal condemnation and death in “Adam.” This was/is all accomplished through His humanity, not His deity. Man’s salvation: i.e., forgiveness of all sins, redemption, justification, sanctification and future glorification, is through faith in the humble obedience of another Man.
Men lost the great Pauline doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ alone because they failed to maintain the great significance of Christ’s humanity, the eternal import of the Incarnation. His humanity (not His deity) being the means by which God brought salvation to all men (“by grace, through faith”). They barely recognize that there’s a resurrected, glorified MAN now sitting at the right hand of the Majesty on High functioning there as the believer’s High Priest, advocating and interceding for him if and when he should sin (1 Jn. 2:1-2). And they’ve instead placed a woman in heaven to be their mediator between them and Christ, pleading to her for mercy. But Scripture recognizes no such motherly intercession in heaven, but only one - a MAN (1 Tim. 2:5).
I do. I’ve stated it many times.IF by TheanthRopic you mean 2 natures of the Christ (Deity & Human) which make up the ONE Messiah.
I do not, nor ever will insist that there are two Christs. But I will insist that Mary never was, never will be, “the mother of God.”Where we seem to part ways is when you, Dokimas, and the OP want to insist that there were 2 Christs; one being human and thus having a mother and one being God and thus having no mother.
I agree, but through the incarnation His deity did not take on humanity, nor did His humanity take on divinity. Else His humanity was not truly human, nor His divinity truly divine.There was only one Christ who had 2 natures (Deity & human). He was fully God and fully man. He cannot be divided into 2 persons.
And this is connected to His humanity. It’s His incarnation, His taking on true humanity that made this possible.He was born of a woman (Mary) and died on the cross
His sacrificial death did not make salvation merely “possible,” but for those who have truly believed in Him, salvation is now an eternal reality.in order that salvation may be possible.
She eventually learned that the Son she bore would accomplish her salvation by the sacrifice of Himself. It’s why the Scriptures say a body was prepared for Him (Heb. 10:5).Mary knew him as her son AND as her Salvation
But nowhere is it stated that they recognized her as “the mother of God.”John recognized Mary as the Mother of his Lord and God, as did the other Apostles.
The Council employed the word “theotokos” (God-bearer) to proclaim the deity of the Child Mary bore. The Council was about the deity of Christ, not the motherhood of Mary. Theotokos means “God-bearer,” not “mother of God.” The emphasis being on the Child, not the mother.The council of Ephesus proclaimed this in 431.
The Bible never calls Mary “the mother of God.”The Bible proclaimed this in several places within the Gospels.
Actually, what men have done is elevate the Scripture above church Tradition. And as a result, Christ alone sits on the throne because “tradition” was made subordinate to the Scriptures.Some how, over the last few hundred years (perhaps with all the various denominations coming and going into exsistance) we now find ourselves here; debating dogma which has been true for thousands of years. This is a prime example of what happens when men, take the helm and insist that God becomes a passenger.