There’s really no point to even trying to have a discussion. For so many Catholics it’s like watching the collapse of a house built on sand and insisting that its a firm foundation. It doesn’t matter how negative the effects of certain novelties, they must be good simply because they are allowed.
In all honesty, I never considered the connotation of “NO Mass” until it was brought up in CAF. I always understood it as an abbreviation for “Novus Ordo Missae”.
Fear not, Ryan. We have one member here who, sadly, is apparently arrogant and decides what people’s motivations are when they speak. Even after you declare what you mean when you say something, he/she accuses you of lying and tells you what you REALLY mean. I think it best that we ignore such pitiable behavior.:sad_yes:
Thanks for the link. I know the majority of Eastern rites do not receive in the hand but I have heard that the Assyrians do, as well as some others. However, I haven’t been able to find a source to verify that.
You’re lucky. I was once priviledged to here an instrumental version of the Red Hot Chili Pepper’s “Under the Bridge” after communion.
Drums and guitars aren’t so bad…I had to watch a bishop go on and on speaking in “tongues” after a rock version of the GloriaYou’re lucky. I was once priviledged to here an instrumental version of the Red Hot Chili Pepper’s “Under the Bridge” after communion.
Unfortunately, sometimes emotions get in the way when these topics are brought up. I used to get emotional, too - but I have found that it ultimately ends up leading no where. I’d rather focus on addressing issues calmly and without personal attacks - somthing along the lines of “hate the sin, love the sinner.” I’ve changed my position on several issues since visiting these forums. I am still a staunch traditionalist, but I am softer on judging people than I used to be - I don’t like to be judged in the internet vacuum, so I shouldn’t submit others to that treatment either. Rather, it’s more beneficial to use my time looking up the resources that support (or contradict) my opinions/beliefs rather than writing a witty sarcastic personal attack disguised as humility and riteousness. It’s this research that has deepened my faith as well as understanding The Faith.
Drums and guitars aren’t so bad…I had to watch a bishop go on and on speaking in “tongues” after a rock version of the Gloria
)Look, I like to hear a TLM mass whenever I can, but I go to a parish with my family where it is not offered (it’s a good parish nonetheless). Having sat through many, many NO masses over the years, I have seen abuses of modesty with regard to dress but never a bikini and never any of the other things you describe.
While such things are truly hard to believe, they do happen. Just the other week a member of our Latin Mass community found a host stuffed in a pew, where the offering envelopes are kept. The attention and reverence displayed by our priest in cleaning the area was amazing and took a good 30 minutes. Afterwards he told us he’d seen worse in one parish where there was a continuous problem of hosts being found in the missalettes.
For sure, they happen. What I am questioning is whether one witness who attends NO masses rarely could have seen all of these things.
Logically speaking, if grave abuses occur at a particular parish by a particular priest, it is likely that one could assist at mass there very infrequently and see an abuse every time. In my experience, priests who are prone to fiddle with the Mass, or allow irreverent/sacriledgious (spelling?) behavior do so on a regular basis, rather than once in a while.
No doubt what you saw were EMHC taking the Sacrament to distribute to those who could not attend Mass. I have seen very similar incidents in our local parishes and was equally appalled. I don’t doubt their good intentions but the way some of them handle the most Blessed Sacrament is disturbing. I remember watching one EMHC go to the tabernacle before Mass, place the host(s) in a pyx, place the pyx in his shirt pocket and proceed to attend Mass and visit with fellow parishoners. In contrast, when I lived in a priory of traditional priests I had to assist one of the priests in taking communion to a woman in the hospital. As he was carrying the Sacrament out of the chapel, everyone was on their knees and silence was observed. The whole time we were driving to the hospital we prayed the rosary and up until the host was consumed we kept as much silence and reverence as was possible.
I am sorry you had to see a priest who would allow someone to take the Eucharist to the sick without a pyx. That is awful. EMsHC in our parish are very strictly and repeatedly warned during their annual training that they must verify that each communicant consumes the Eucharist in their presence, and follow them back to their pew if they don’t, if need be. I’ve only seen them actually have to follow somebody once.
Do you really think the priest would just give the host to someone who came up at the end of mass/ This is the way that EMHCs who bring communion to the sick are supposed to get the Eucharist to bring to them. They receive it from the priest after communion and then leave mass before the final blessing. And they probably did have a pyx because I have NEVER seen someone take communion to the sick without one and I doubt a priest would give a host to someone to bring to the sick without one.
I agree sounds fishy to me - I certainly don’t think there is anything in the rubrics regarding bringing communion to the sick that allows for stuffing Our Lord in one’s pocket without the protection of a sacred vessel. Sacrilegious and a cause for scandal as well, since it’s done in front of everyone!