If push comes to shove I choose conscience over Church teaching

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It would be better to sacrifice your vices, wants, and excesses (cigarettes, alcohol and other drugs, movies, parties, new everything, dining out, rentals, extra food, some meals, and even leaving the car at home when you can walk to places) in order to provide for that person in risk of starving to death.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
That’s not what I said. I’m talking last resort. Can you pay for your own food? Are you able to get it without taking it from someone else? If either of these is yes, then breaking into someone’s house to steal their food is indeed wrong .
 
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If I was poor, and he was poor, can i steal for him to survive? We don’t have a penny between us. Hes a child. I’m an adult. He cant steal it himself.
 
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When asked are there Jews in the house and the answer is no; that’s an omission; yet, even if outright lie a lie is a lie.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
And if you were married to a Jew… and as a catholic spouse, you have a duty to protect your spouse… then what? Can you lie to save her?
 
Yes, hard to imagine any corner grocer in Caracas is well off enough to incur no damage from theft. Then again, it is a socialist country…

At any rate, no harm in confessing even the desperation theft, yes?
 
Correct!

It is not a shtick–Aramaic is Greek/Chinese to me.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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You may choose to lie…and then confess the lie under the seal of the confessional
 
Could a person let their spouse be murdered, instead of misleading or lying to the Nazis? Would the Church say we must tell the truth?
 
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Yes, hard to imagine any corner grocer in Caracas is well off enough to incur no damage from theft. Then again, it is a socialist country…
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At this point, that is definitely the case… (if the corner grocer is still functioning at this point). There isn’t really much destination of goods working of there aren’t goods to begin with.

As for confessing, I know that if I were in that situation, I might have already taken something, but I probably would have confessed it as well. I don’t know if I would confess taking from Maduro himself though, if I managed to do so.
 
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I’m behind on rent; have a p/t job that does not pay; don’t have much to eat; have to sacrifice food and other things to get by; one day someone left a wallet full of money on a counter; the idea of lifting it did not even surface since I know that stealing is a sin–even if my situation is harsh.

Yet, say it came to having no means whatsoever; if I were to steal food to survive it would still be theft (a sin).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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It’s a very sad situation. I’ve toyed with teaching at the international School in Nicaragua, but they’re not much better off. Foreigners are at high risk as even if we have little, we have more than almost everyone else.
 
CCC - 1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right.

I would argue that is more right and just to steal food to save somebody, Ergo, my conscience could possibly be clean?

CCC 1787 Man is sometimes confronted by situations that make moral judgments less assured and decision difficult. But he must always seriously seek what is right and good and discern the will of God expressed in divine law.
 
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St. Francis insisted that the brothers beg. Stealing even a crust of bread was unthinkable.
 
Again, sin is sin.

Say it is the last resort–you have no other means to provide for that child; there’s no assist from state/gov. or private sector; no Church or Christian pantry… you steal; you feed yourself and the child; you’ve still committed theft.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I feel you. My family is from Venezuela, and I’ve got members who are still there. It’s been 13 years since I visited them, and I can’t go because I’ll basically be a walking target as an American citizen.
 
CCC -1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself.

My conscience would say to steal to help somebody survive.
 
Read the Catechism on the universal destination of goods. Read Aquinas. You are not contending with me here, you are contending with them.
 
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