If the Catholic Church is wrong, which non-Catholic denomination is right?

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ChristianKnight said:
I do not think the church is perfect cause its human.

lol, that is a very weird way to compare, and the bible is truth, but thats cause it was written by men who knew Jesus. Not leaded by men who were not around when Jesus was. +The Bible has never murdered people.

The church is not perfect, I cannot get any more clear.
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In fact the majority of the books in the bible were written by men who never met Jesus during their lives on earth. They All died well before Jesus was born.

As to the Bible being Truth - Just how do you come to that concusion - How do you know that the Bible is Truth?
 
JRKH said:
In fact the majority of the books in the bible were written by men who never met Jesus during their lives on earth. They All died well before Jesus was born.

As to the Bible being Truth - Just how do you come to that concusion - How do you know that the Bible is Truth?
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sambos671 said:
Catholics didn’t burn witches at Salem, Mass. Catholics didn’t kill thousands of Irish or starve them like the Lord Protector of England. Catholics didn’t kill thousands of Indians or Africans during British expansion. Catholics didn’t force Africans or Indians to become christian. Protestants did that. Catholics didn’t cause the trail of tears for the cherokee natives. Protestants did. Tit for tat. and as far as the inquisition which one? Spanish? do you really know your inquisition history?

And Yes how do you define bible (biblios book?) or do you define it as the Word of God which told Joshua to exterminate every inhabitant of Jericho?
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Indians were treated badly, yes, but we are not the Church of God. We are just heretics, we don’t know better, but the RCC should if it is the Church of God, right? :rolleyes:

What are you talking about the Irish part? During the Potato Famine? They fled to New York City, and a lot of them made lives, part of my family was on that boat that came their pre-Civil War.

Africans? You’ve lost me. We did have slaves, my ancestors owned slaves, this I know, but killed them, I don’t know where thats from.

Yes, I do. Do you?

I define the bible as a book written by men of older age for people who believen the Christian faith. Maybe God had a good reason for extermininating them?
 
CK
You’re making no sense. It’s obvious to me and many Catholics that you do not know or understand history and what is being said. The Church is full of sinners. Inquisition is so over blown that it sounds like doomsday. Most of the people that were killed were done so by secular or civil government during that time. Sure, there has been sin committed by evil men wearing clerics. No doubt. You need to obtain real data for a better understanding of the times, cultures, rationale of the time. People learn over time. And by the looks of our present day system it seems that we haven’t learned from our past very well. And I don’t reject my government because of the evils done by a few men in charge.
 
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CK
You’re making no sense. It’s obvious to me and many Catholics that you do not know or understand history and what is being said. The Church is full of sinners. Inquisition is so over blown that it sounds like doomsday. Most of the people that were killed were done so by secular or civil government during that time. Sure, there has been sin committed by evil men wearing clerics. No doubt. You need to obtain real data for a better understanding of the times, cultures, rationale of the time. People learn over time. And by the looks of our present day system it seems that we haven’t learned from our past very well. And I don’t reject my government because of the evils done by a few men in charge.
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I am not gonna respond to this, cause if you want to talk about History, I am willing to bet that I know more about Ancient Greece, and most military history then you, if your talking about general history. If your talking about the Catholic Church’s history, then I am sure you beat me, but I do not really care much about your church’s history.
 
Jimmy_B said:
**I find it interesting that there exist so many Protestant non-Catholics here, who argue the differences between their own denomination and Catholicism but have nothing to say about the differences between, their denomination and other non-Catholic Christian denominations.

What’s up with that?

Is this caused by an inherent trait among all Protestants to continue protesting Catholicism? Is this Protesting, “protesting” of the Catholic Church, something that has been built into these different denominations?

Or…is this simply a case of denial?

Or…a case of being disingenuous?

Maybe, simply… hypocrisy?

How much of this is caused by ego?

**You tell me, with all of the differences, which exist among Protestant denominations, why so much attention given to the Catholic faith? ****
Is this a case of jealousy, or maybe it is because, deep down inside, all Protestants know that the Catholic Church is the true Church started by Jesus Christ.

I believe that, for many, especially “former” Catholics, it is a rebellious act, because they themselves have done something that has caused their own separation from the Church and now they have to rationalize why, they were right and the Catholic Church was wrong.

Please explain why the Catholic Church gets so much attention from non-Catholics. Maybe it is simply because we are the oldest and largest Christian community…You tell me…is that it?

Or….maybe the Devil is in play here….

Finally, it seems to me that Protestants here, are real forgiving and show that Christian charity towards other non-Catholics here but for some reason can’t forgive, respect and be charitable to the other Christians here….the Catholics!

Note: Many of my comments here are of a general nature, and do not apply to everyone.

Your thoughts?

I would assume that the protestants on this site, give so much attention to the RCC because THIS IS A CATHOLIC SITE. I would think that if you went to a LDS forum that had an area specifically set aside for open dialog with non-LDS religions, you’d find that the Mormons would get the most attention…because it was a Mormon site.

Just my :twocents: .
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ChristianKnight said:
Indians were treated badly, yes, but we are not the Church of God. We are just heretics, we don’t know better, but the RCC should if it is the Church of God, right? :rolleyes:

What are you talking about the Irish part? During the Potato Famine? They fled to New York City, and a lot of them made lives, part of my family was on that boat that came their pre-Civil War.

Africans? You’ve lost me. We did have slaves, my ancestors owned slaves, this I know, but killed them, I don’t know where thats from.

Yes, I do. Do you?

I define the bible as a book written by men of older age for people who believen the Christian faith. Maybe God had a good reason for extermininating them?
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Well, I’m talking about the Boer war and wars of expansion in India. Yes how many slaves were killed thrown overboard etc? Oliver Cromwell was considered the scourge of Ireland. Why was that then? He was a puritan the ancestors of the american baptist. The Inquisition lasted over 600 years of which the Spanish inquisition (of the several others) has been the most netorious. And as far as your statement on how the bible is defined you make no sense. You stated that the bible cause people to be killed yet you say “maybe God had a good reason for exterminating them.” Which is my point. You mention the Knights Templar. They were killed over greed by the princes of France.
 
sambos671 said:
Well, I’m talking about the Boer war and wars of expansion in India. Yes how many slaves were killed thrown overboard etc? Oliver Cromwell was considered the scourge of Ireland. Why was that then? He was a puritan the ancestors of the american baptist. The Inquisition lasted over 600 years of which the Spanish inquisition (of the several others) has been the most netorious. And as far as your statement on how the bible is defined you make no sense. You stated that the bible cause people to be killed yet you say “maybe God had a good reason for exterminating them.” Which is my point. You mention the Knights Templar. They were killed over greed by the princes of France.
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Well, I didn’t really expect you to bring England in as protestant, but I guess they are a protestant country. I was speaking more for America, but o well.

Yes, but the pope had them ordered to torture and death.
 
ChristianKnight said:
I am not gonna respond to this, cause if you want to talk about History, I am willing to bet that I know more about Ancient Greece, and most military history then you, if your talking about general history. If your talking about the Catholic Church’s history, then I am sure you beat me, but I do not really care much about your church’s history.
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Maybe one day you will take the time to read some church history.
You’ll understand so much. Of course it’s not something you can read up on in one day. There are volumes of Catholic Church history.
Have you read up on your own church history? I’m pretty sure there won’t be volumes to read on that. And I don’t even know what religion you belong to,but I read up on my church’s history and it was all in one book.
 
hays1122 said:
Maybe one day you will take the time to read some church history.
You’ll understand so much. Of course it’s not something you can read up on in one day. There are volumes of Catholic Church history.
Have you read up on your own church history? I’m pretty sure there won’t be volumes to read on that. And I don’t even know what religion you belong to,but I read up on my church’s history and it was all in one book.
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No, and I don’t care if my church isn’t as old as yours. I do not need to know my church’s history to believen god, nor do I really care about its history. I do not sware allegiance to any church, I do have membership in one. lol, I can read on my spiritual life in one book as well :rolleyes:
 
ChristianKnight said:
No, and I don’t care if my church isn’t as old as yours. I do not need to know my church’s history to believen god, nor do I really care about its history. I do not sware allegiance to any church, I do have membership in one. lol, I can read on my spiritual life in one book as well :rolleyes:
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If Jesus did found one Church and it still exists, we should want to belong, right?

The only way to make this determination is by study and prayer.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
If Jesus did found one Church and it still exists, we should want to belong, right?

The only way to make this determination is by study and prayer.
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If it is the true church, which I am at about 60% - 40% .

I think it’d be easier to be in the RCC then a independant. Why? If you follow the RCC’s rules, your guranteed to heaven by the Church.
 
ChristianKnight said:
I am not gonna respond to this, cause if you want to talk about History, I am willing to bet that I know more about Ancient Greece, and most military history then you, if your talking about general history. If your talking about the Catholic Church’s history, then I am sure you beat me, but I do not really care much about your church’s history.
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My actual JOB is to teach history. I’m a professor at a private college in central Alabama. I teach just about every subject there is, including ancient history, world history, Western civilization, and American history. I can definitively tell you that you CANNOT learn about world history without learning the history of the Catholic Church. Without Catholicism, there is no Constantine, no hospitals, no monasteries, no universities, no scholasticism or summas, (heck, no Western Europe to speak of…), no Byzantine Empire, no Islam (since it is a progression from Catholicism), and a HUGE decrease in the amount of religious monuments, cathedrals, and works of art and music. Without understanding the Catholic Church, you cannot understand the Crusades. You cannot understand the Reformation. You cannot even understand where your OWN denomination came from, and what it was “protesting” that caused it to form in the first place! Ask ANY professor what THREE institutions all Western Civ students MUST know about, and they’ll say ancient Greece, ancient Rome, and the Catholic Church. It’s just that important, and I’m not talking even from a religious viewpoint. I’m talking from an HISTORICAL viewpoint.

And since you’re also interested in military history, without the Catholic Church, there’d be no Hundred Years’ War, no Joan of Arc, no Thirty Years’ War, no Richard the Lionhearted, no Battles of Tours, Lepanto, and Vienna to save Europe from Muslim invasion, no Greek Fire, no El Cid, no knights (of ANY kind), no Reconquista, no discovery of America, no missionaries to the New World and defense for Native Americans, and so on.
 
ChristianKnight said:
No, and I don’t care if my church isn’t as old as yours. I do not need to know my church’s history to believen god, nor do I really care about its history. I do not sware allegiance to any church, I do have membership in one. lol, I can read on my spiritual life in one book as well :rolleyes:
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CK… I’m not sure you read his post correctly… He lists himself as Protestant and said his church’s history was in one book… I’m assuming he meant that it was minute compared the history of the CC…

Believing in God is fairly easy… what you do with that belief is where the road starts to divide. You are doing an impressive thing by searching for the truth… I’m sure you realize it seems awful cloudy at times, and that’s why it is so important to understand the history of Christianity and how those closest to the Apostles understood the teachings because surely they had a better grasp of it then us wouldn’t you think? How the 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation, etc. teachers of the faith taught to the Christians of the time, and how they understood Jesus’s words and commandments, how the developement of the Bible came to be, how Christianity spread, the early martyrs, and it goes on and on… Wouldn’t you think all this stuff while it may not be necessary to believe in God, could be very useful to someone who wishes to gain the full truth of God’s plan? Whether you come to trust it all or not will no doubt be your decision to make, but to throw it out as unimportant is most certainly not a good idea.

May God continue to grant us all the understanding we strive for as we travel this narrow path to eternal life.

SD
 
ChristianKnight said:
I think it’d be easier to be in the RCC then a independant. Why? If you follow the RCC’s rules, your guranteed to heaven by the Church.
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I have this same thought regarding Protestants and RC/Orthodox. Protestantism is kind of “on-level” calculus. RC/Orthodox is “pre-AP”. Why? Protestantism doesn’t preach of the necessity of priesthood authority, the sacrament of penance, and that BOTH works and grace are essential. But RC/Orthodox teaches the Protestant version, so if you do everything that the RC/Orthodox teach and the Protestants are right (excepting those who believe that Catholics are not Christian, etc.) then you are safe.

The pre-AP student will ace the on-level exam.
 
Rolltide said:
My actual JOB is to teach history. I’m a professor at a private college in central Alabama. I teach just about every subject there is, including ancient history, world history, Western civilization, and American history. I can definitively tell you that you CANNOT learn about world history without learning the history of the Catholic Church. Without Catholicism, there is no Constantine, no hospitals, no monasteries, no universities, no scholasticism or summas, (heck, no Western Europe to speak of…), no Byzantine Empire, no Islam (since it is a progression from Catholicism), and a HUGE decrease in the amount of religious monuments, cathedrals, and works of art and music. Without understanding the Catholic Church, you cannot understand the Crusades. You cannot understand the Reformation. You cannot even understand where your OWN denomination came from, and what it was “protesting” that caused it to form in the first place! Ask ANY professor what THREE institutions all Western Civ students MUST know about, and they’ll say ancient Greece, ancient Rome, and the Catholic Church. It’s just that important, and I’m not talking even from a religious viewpoint. I’m talking from an HISTORICAL viewpoint.

And since you’re also interested in military history, without the Catholic Church, there’d be no Hundred Years’ War, no Joan of Arc, no Thirty Years’ War, no Richard the Lionhearted, no Battles of Tours, Lepanto, and Vienna to save Europe from Muslim invasion, no Greek Fire, no El Cid, no knights (of ANY kind), no Reconquista, no discovery of America, no missionaries to the New World and defense for Native Americans, and so on.
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Do you not understand I don’t care about my denomination? I really don’t, I do not believe I have to belong to it for Jesus to realize “Hey, he believens me”

Without the Catholic Church, we cannot actually know what wouldn’t and would happen.
tortdog said:
I have this same thought regarding Protestants and RC/Orthodox. Protestantism is kind of “on-level” calculus. RC/Orthodox is “pre-AP”. Why? Protestantism doesn’t preach of the necessity of priesthood authority, the sacrament of penance, and that BOTH works and grace are essential. But RC/Orthodox teaches the Protestant version, so if you do everything that the RC/Orthodox teach and the Protestants are right (excepting those who believe that Catholics are not Christian, etc.) then you are safe. :confused: :confused: :confused:

The pre-AP student will ace the on-level exam.
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Um, ok, lost, but ok good luck with that
 
ChristianKnight said:
Do you not understand I don’t care about my denomination? I really don’t, I do not believe I have to belong to it for Jesus to realize “Hey, he believens me”
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I think I’m finally beginning to understand what you’re saying. All this time we’ve been thinking of you as Baptist because you talked about attending your local Baptist church, but what I think you actually are is one of a growing number of people that considers themselves “non-denominational”.

Check out the article and see if this applies to you:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-denominational_Christianity

The non-denominational movement grew from the fragmenting and further fragmenting of Protestantism, until it got to the point where it broke apart so severely that people simply decided to read the Bible and decide for themselves what to believe without any outside body over them whatsoever. Most non-denominational Christians do, however, recognize the basic tenants of Protestantism, which include things like Sola Scriptura (read the Bible on your own, and if it isn’t in there, don’t do it) and Sola Fide (we are saved by faith alone, not by our works). That said, many non-denominational people consider themselves merely “Christian” and don’t like the term Protestant, since they feel they are not actively “protesting” anything. This sounds a lot like you.
 
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