If the Crystal Cathedral becomes Catholic

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Here are the liturgical changes and advice – my “Top Ten List” – I give to Bp. Todd Brown should his Diocese be lucky enough to purchase the famed Crystal Cathedral:

1.) Make the Eucharist the focus of the Crystal Cathedral. Don’t hide the reposed Blessed Sacrament in a side chapel! Commission a stunningly beautiful and huge tabernacle and place it at the base of the banks of organ pipes where the choral section is today after relocating the organ console. The tabernacle must not only be beautiful and huge, it must also be immediately identifiable as a tabernacle – please, no modern art! This tabernacle should be so beautiful and huge that it becomes known world-wide.

2.) Suspend a beautiful and huge crucifix over the tabernacle between the two banks of organ pipes. The CrysCath is built for rigging so this should be simple. Make it from wood that blends well with the pipe organ cabinets. Perhaps a muted, more refined version of the San Damiano crucifix would be most appropriate given the history of the Franciscans in OC? Please no stylized and expensive Lucite crosses.

3.) Place the altar of sacrifice in front of the tabernacle. The altar should be large and stunningly beautiful yet simple. Like the tabernacle and the main crucifix it should harmonize well with its surroundings. It too must be immediately recognizable as the main altar of sacrifice.

4.) The ambo should match the altar. In a departure from current church design I would have both an ambo and a pulpit (or depending on how you looked at it, an ambo and a lectern.) One would be used for reading the OT and NT Epistles and singing the responsorial psalm. The other would be a large bronze or brass (or nickel?) eagle reserved only for the proclamation of the Gospel and for preaching. While a touch incongruent perhaps with the surrounding architecture, the eagle is an important symbol (use of such lecterns began in Catholicism and not Anglicanism so settle down) and would hammer-home the importance of the word of God each week.

5.) The credence table, cathedra and related chairs should be dignified and in accord with the altar.

6.) Retain the “processional fountain.” Modify it at the end closest to the altar so that it can be used as the baptismal font.

7.) Keep the stadium seating but add kneelers wherever possible.

8.) Retain the Sony Jumbotron but use it judiciously. When it’s not being used it should be veiled by a copy of Juan Diego’s famous tilma or perhaps an image of the tilma can be displayed on its screen?

9.) Maintain the existing elevations for the new altar, ambo and pulpit. There’s nothing wrong with looking up at the altar.

10.) Show respect for the history of the Crystal Cathedral by maintaining as much of it as you can, beginning with the name itself – even if you have to buy it and their website address. Though it was designed as a Protestant worship space, they pretty much got things right and changes must be done in a way that acknowledges and preserves their gift to spreading the Gospel.

11.) (Sorry I just can’t stop!) Copy the world famous and huge Botafumeiro (incense thurible) that swings from the ceiling at the Santiago de Compostela Cathedral in Spain. Imagine the experience of that huge thurible swinging through the Crystal Cathedral!
 
Great list especially # 11! SdC is an awesome church and pilgrimage point!

If the purchase of CC does happen, maybe they could have the Spaniards make a fullsize repro of the censer for them? It would fit right into the Spanish-Catholic history of the area.

As to # 8: no need to cover up the screen; just program to have the image on it rwhen not in use. At my parish church, which has 2 HD screens, a close up of the head of our LORD’s corpus is shown while the screens are on and not being used.

ICXC NIKA
 
I think that would be awesome if that actually happened.
I didn’t even know it was up for sale.
 
I think that would be awesome if that actually happened.
I didn’t even know it was up for sale.
They aren’t willingly selling it; however, the church is facing bankruptcy, and if that happened the CC would presumably be sold.

ICXC NIKA
 
1.) Make the Eucharist the focus of the Crystal Cathedral. Don’t hide the reposed Blessed Sacrament in a side chapel! Commission a stunningly beautiful and huge tabernacle and place it at the base of the banks of organ pipes where the choral section is today after relocating the organ console. The tabernacle must not only be beautiful and huge, it must also be immediately identifiable as a tabernacle – please, no modern art! This tabernacle should be so beautiful and huge that it becomes known world-wide.
I don’t understand why the tabernacle couldn’t be both dignified, beautiful and accomplish all the things you want it to and still be modern? I guess modern art is a codeword for garish and ugly, but won’t you really find examples of that in many different periods?

Perhaps something that is dignified and modern would be more appropriate in a space like the Crystal Cathedral rather than re-creating a tabernacle from some 16th century church in Spain or Germany and plunking it down where you suggested.

Also, if the suggestion is to be taken about the altar and chairs etc. then something simple, tasteful and perhaps modern would be most appropriate.

ChadS
 
The Crystal Cathedral Ministries (CCM) has filed for bankruptcy. They are trying to raise money ($50M+) to pay of their creditors but more and more that looks highly unlikely. The creditors want their money NOW. The two leading bidders are the Diocese of Orange County ($53.5M) and Chapman University ($50M.) Chapman would allow CCM to eventually buy-back some buildings if it can raise the money. The Diocese would not – it would use them all.

It would be a great deal for the Diocese. Not only would it be far cheaper than the $100M+ a new cathedral is expected to cost, there is far, far more to the CCM Campus than just the Crystal Cathedral. It would take between $500-750M to replicate the campus today. If the Diocese can obtain it for the price bid, it would be great for the faith.

Word is that the Senior Schuller who started CCM favors the Catholic bid because it keep the campus fully intact. Those running CCM supposidly favor the Chapman bid because it would (hopefully) allow them to retain the Crystal Cathedral and their livlihoods.

The creditors are getting unhappy though and are less and less willing to allow CCM to choose who will ultimately buy the property. They are now trying to force a sale and have threatened to sue the Schuller Family and other employees who continued to take large salaries even once CCM was in bankruptcy and over the sale of a very valuable piece of property in San Juan Capistrano, CA to Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church.
 
I don’t understand why the tabernacle couldn’t be both dignified, beautiful and accomplish all the things you want it to and still be modern? I guess modern art is a codeword for garish and ugly, but won’t you really find examples of that in many different periods?

Perhaps something that is dignified and modern would be more appropriate in a space like the Crystal Cathedral rather than re-creating a tabernacle from some 16th century church in Spain or Germany and plunking it down where you suggested.

Also, if the suggestion is to be taken about the altar and chairs etc. then something simple, tasteful and perhaps modern would be most appropriate.

ChadS
Maybe I was wrong to use the term “modern art.” I agree with you – a tabernacle that looks like it belongs in “some 16th century church in Spain or Germany” would also be very wrong. But whatever is built needs to be monumental, reverent and identifiable as a tabernacle.

I wouldn’t preclude the altar from being “modern” – it would just have to be stunningly beautiful and again, recognizable as an altar.
 
4.) The ambo should match the altar. In a departure from current church design I would have both an ambo and a pulpit (or depending on how you looked at it, an ambo and a lectern.) One would be used for reading the OT and NT Epistles and singing the responsorial psalm. The other would be a large bronze or brass (or nickel?) eagle reserved only for the proclamation of the Gospel and for preaching. While a touch incongruent perhaps with the surrounding architecture, the eagle is an important symbol (use of such lecterns began in Catholicism and not Anglicanism so settle down) and would hammer-home the importance of the word of God each week.
Hmmm… Im not sure that would be licit

there is only to be one ambo where all the readings should be sung/read from

for sure the homily could be given from some other pulpit but the gospel would need to be read in the same place as the other readings
 
Hmmm… Im not sure that would be licit

there is only to be one ambo where all the readings should be sung/read from

for sure the homily could be given from some other pulpit but the gospel would need to be read in the same place as the other readings
No. There is nothing “illicit” about having both an ambo and another worthy area in which to proclaim the Gospel – although the nomenclature could get confusing as I alrady noted. The proclamation of the Gospel is afforded reverence the other readings are not. If there was a clearly very special place set aside for the proclamation (such as a nickle eagle) there would not be an issue. It would mimic the lay-out of very old Catholic churches and before that, synogogues…
 
Great list especially # 11! SdC is an awesome church and pilgrimage point!

If the purchase of CC does happen, maybe they could have the Spaniards make a fullsize repro of the censer for them? It would fit right into the Spanish-Catholic history of the area.

As to # 8: no need to cover up the screen; just program to have the image on it rwhen not in use. At my parish church, which has 2 HD screens, a close up of the head of our LORD’s corpus is shown while the screens are on and not being used.

ICXC NIKA
I would have a thurible created just a tiny bit bigger than the famed Botafumeiro. It would probably look considerably different – similar to a giant version of that one used at the Shrine in DC perhaps…
 
Maybe I was wrong to use the term “modern art.” I agree with you – a tabernacle that looks like it belongs in “some 16th century church in Spain or Germany” would also be very wrong. But whatever is built needs to be monumental, reverent and identifiable as a tabernacle.

I wouldn’t preclude the altar from being “modern” – it would just have to be stunningly beautiful and again, recognizable as an altar.
I’ve seen pictures of a sort of tabernacle from Germany that survived the Reformation. They were often extremely tall, maybe 15 or 20 feet. I could imagine something like that separate from the altar and perhaps main tabernacle that would be available for adoration and displaying the Eucharist that would draw attention to it and not get lost in the space of the Crystal Cathedral.

ChadS
 
In most if not all Cathedrals the tabernacle was in a separate chapel! The idea that it was the focal point as in most parish churches just does not bear out historically! The reason the tabernacle was in a separate chapel was to keep it in a quite place where people could pray quietly without being disturbed by the bustle if pilgrims or tourists. This is where the idea came from to move the tabernacle in parish churches. There is nothing wrong in a Eucharistic chapel in a busy cathedral or shrine church…I am NOT advocating this for your ordinary parish church though.
Here are the liturgical changes and advice – my “Top Ten List” – I give to Bp. Todd Brown should his Diocese be lucky enough to purchase the famed Crystal Cathedral:

1.) Make the Eucharist the focus of the Crystal Cathedral. Don’t hide the reposed Blessed Sacrament in a side chapel! Commission a stunningly beautiful and huge tabernacle and place it at the base of the banks of organ pipes where the choral section is today after relocating the organ console. The tabernacle must not only be beautiful and huge, it must also be immediately identifiable as a tabernacle – please, no modern art! This tabernacle should be so beautiful and huge that it becomes known world-wide.

2.) Suspend a beautiful and huge crucifix over the tabernacle between the two banks of organ pipes. The CrysCath is built for rigging so this should be simple. Make it from wood that blends well with the pipe organ cabinets. Perhaps a muted, more refined version of the San Damiano crucifix would be most appropriate given the history of the Franciscans in OC? Please no stylized and expensive Lucite crosses.

3.) Place the altar of sacrifice in front of the tabernacle. The altar should be large and stunningly beautiful yet simple. Like the tabernacle and the main crucifix it should harmonize well with its surroundings. It too must be immediately recognizable as the main altar of sacrifice.

4.) The ambo should match the altar. In a departure from current church design I would have both an ambo and a pulpit (or depending on how you looked at it, an ambo and a lectern.) One would be used for reading the OT and NT Epistles and singing the responsorial psalm. The other would be a large bronze or brass (or nickel?) eagle reserved only for the proclamation of the Gospel and for preaching. While a touch incongruent perhaps with the surrounding architecture, the eagle is an important symbol (use of such lecterns began in Catholicism and not Anglicanism so settle down) and would hammer-home the importance of the word of God each week.

5.) The credence table, cathedra and related chairs should be dignified and in accord with the altar.

6.) Retain the “processional fountain.” Modify it at the end closest to the altar so that it can be used as the baptismal font.

7.) Keep the stadium seating but add kneelers wherever possible.

8.) Retain the Sony Jumbotron but use it judiciously. When it’s not being used it should be veiled by a copy of Juan Diego’s famous tilma or perhaps an image of the tilma can be displayed on its screen?

9.) Maintain the existing elevations for the new altar, ambo and pulpit. There’s nothing wrong with looking up at the altar.

10.) Show respect for the history of the Crystal Cathedral by maintaining as much of it as you can, beginning with the name itself – even if you have to buy it and their website address. Though it was designed as a Protestant worship space, they pretty much got things right and changes must be done in a way that acknowledges and preserves their gift to spreading the Gospel.

11.) (Sorry I just can’t stop!) Copy the world famous and huge Botafumeiro (incense thurible) that swings from the ceiling at the Santiago de Compostela Cathedral in Spain. Imagine the experience of that huge thurible swinging through the Crystal Cathedral!
 
10.) Show respect for the history of the Crystal Cathedral by maintaining as much of it as you can, beginning with the name itself –
They couldn’t just leave it as Crystal Cathedral. What crystal? They should choose a good, Catholic name - like Holy Name, Holy Cross, Sacred Heart etc.
 
They couldn’t just leave it as Crystal Cathedral. What crystal? They should choose a good, Catholic name - like Holy Name, Holy Cross, Sacred Heart etc.
Naw. It’s got 30 years of drawing people to it. It’s a landmark. There is ONE Crystal Cathedral. There are thousands of holy names, holy crosses and sacred hearts. By the way, thick window glass is commonly known as crystal
 
In most if not all Cathedrals the tabernacle was in a separate chapel! The idea that it was the focal point as in most parish churches just does not bear out historically! The reason the tabernacle was in a separate chapel was to keep it in a quite place where people could pray quietly without being disturbed by the bustle if pilgrims or tourists. This is where the idea came from to move the tabernacle in parish churches. There is nothing wrong in a Eucharistic chapel in a busy cathedral or shrine church…I am NOT advocating this for your ordinary parish church though.
You seem to be buying into the notion that pilgrims and tourists WILL be disturbing those in prayer. I simply don’t accept that.
 
**In most if not all Cathedrals the tabernacle was in a separate chapel! ** The idea that it was the focal point as in most parish churches just does not bear out historically! The reason the tabernacle was in a separate chapel was to keep it in a quite place where people could pray quietly without being disturbed by the bustle if pilgrims or tourists. This is where the idea came from to move the tabernacle in parish churches. There is nothing wrong in a Eucharistic chapel in a busy cathedral or shrine church…I am NOT advocating this for your ordinary parish church though.
That’s simply not true.
 
I suspect the Diocese of Orange will prevail in procuring the Crystal Cathedral. I am dreadfully concerned that it will do a horrid job preparing the Cathedral for celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
 
You seem to be buying into the notion that pilgrims and tourists WILL be disturbing those in prayer. I simply don’t accept that.
I’d suggest not intentionally disturbing, but if you are praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament do you want a group of thirty people walking by you and hearing one remark “Did you know Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus?” or perhaps some sort of other nonsense.

ChadS
 
I suspect the Diocese of Orange will prevail in procuring the Crystal Cathedral. I am dreadfully concerned that it will do a horrid job preparing the Cathedral for celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
In all honesty, aside from the pipe organ, there would have to be a ton of things you would really need to add to make it “Catholic” looking. And then it depends on how much traditional look you want to add – such as statues, candles, communion rails, stained glass, confessionals, kneelers, etc. There will be critics of the restoration no matter what you do to it.
 
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