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Rightlydivide
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Post 58 has like how many topics? Give me a specific topic. Specific.
If the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church were united how would you feel about it?
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Mannyfit75
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They are also Catholic.
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sterryfamily
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…and I’m not asking for a rebuttal. What I asked for is proof from the early Church that supports your position.
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sterryfamily
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Heresies have come and gone all throughout history. Yours will, too.
Gotta go.
Gotta go.
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Harpazo
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I hope I will live to see the day when both are united. What a great witness that would be. There are still misunderstandings b/t the East and West on some things. Both believe in a purification after death, yet the East doesn’t recognize Purgatory for some reason, even though both Churches believe the same thing. Some of it is semantics, if you ask me.
I continually pray for unity each day. Both Churches have something awesome to offer the world: Jesus Christ and just how awesome that would be for them to offer Him as a united Church once again!
Pace e Bene
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I continually pray for unity each day. Both Churches have something awesome to offer the world: Jesus Christ and just how awesome that would be for them to offer Him as a united Church once again!
Pace e Bene
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According to the Catholic Church, Peter is the first Pope. He is buried in St. Peter Basilicia.
Second, Matthew 16:17-20
And Jesus answered him,
“Blessed are you, Simon, Bar Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock. I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loose in heaven.” Then he strictly charged the disciple to tell no one that he was the Christ.
Well you might say Jesus is the Rock in this passage. However, that is not the case. Jesus spoke Aramaic and the word for rock is Kepha or Cephas.
So the passage would read like this.
Blessed are you, Simon, Bar Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Kephas, and on this Kephas. I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loose in heaven."
The Church was established by Jesus Christ period. It was One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. It not Protestant. This Church did not live by the doctrine of Bible Alone. The Early Church had bishops, deacons, priests, they baptized infants, they believe in the sacrifice of the Mass, and they had Church authority. They held Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture as the Word of God, with the proper interpretation of Scripture which only the Mother Church has the authority to do so.
You have not proven any writing to prove that the Early Church was not Catholic. NONE.
And someday, guided by the Holy Spirit. The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox will be united, and Protestants may have to consider where they stand. They either rebuke their doctrines of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fidi because these doctrines are not Apostolic. They are foreign, alien, heretical, erroneous, and most of all Un-Biblical.
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If the reunited church retains the correct doctrine it can only be good and about time.
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Mannyfit75
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The word Catholic can be found in the Greek translation of
Acts 9:31 ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια **καθ᾽ ὁλης **της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.
website.lineone.net/%7Ent.in.greek/greeknt/f05-acts.html
In English it looks like this:
“ekklesia kath olos”
Blue is the word Catholic in Greek.
Acts 9:31 ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια **καθ᾽ ὁλης **της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.
website.lineone.net/%7Ent.in.greek/greeknt/f05-acts.html
In English it looks like this:
“ekklesia kath olos”
Blue is the word Catholic in Greek.
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Rightlydivide
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I notice you have nothing to say about the condition of the church in Revelation. It was not united and had fallen into error in many places already.
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Rightlydivide
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So…you contend it should read…Then had the churches rest Catholic Judaea and Galilee?
Get real, what will you guys come up with next!?!
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Fallen that is none sense. If you have not benn informed, the Orthodox and the Catholic have come into agreement already on the issue papacy but did not have an agreement whether now much he had authority.
Second, I don’t see a disunity as your claim there to be. There is none. There will always been individuals who don’t agree. Even the Early Christians did not agree that Revelation is inspired.
The Teachings of the Catholic is one and united.
If you want discuss disunity, make another thread. There is no disunity in Catholicism. You believe because you are Anti-Catholic and extremely bias.
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I’m sure the Orthodox feel the same way. No disrespect, but if any group would have to give up certain beliefs, it would be our church. Given the recent changes to the Mass and certain other liturgical things, I would say that our church would. The only other thing they could do would be to use broad statements, but that would cause the Orthodox to be just as confused as we Eastern Catholics are about what to believe…
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
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I would be delighted to see union between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. However, this union will have to be based completely on the Holy Tradition of Orthodoxy. Even if the Pope could convince us that the doctrines of the Latin Church are the same as those of Orthodoxy, there would still be the problem coming from the many liberals and modernists in the Latin Church. We don’t need, nor do we want, people in Orthodoxy who desire to “update” our traditions, for such people aren’t truly Orthodox. Many Roman Catholics could care less about the small traditions that made up their Faith until only around 50 years ago. This is a major stumbling block for unity. Earlier in this thread, you made a deprecatory remark about the SSPX. However, as regards their defense of the principle of respect for tradition, they are very close to us. Your Church needs to recapture their sense of zealous preservation of tradition before unity will occur. In short, you need to convince us that your doctrine is truly Orthodox and that you share with us a love for traditional expressions of Faith before we can have a lasting foundation for unity. Once this foundation is laid, we can help the Latin Church return fully to her Orthodox heritage, and subsequently be in complete unity with each other.
God bless,
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jam070406
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I actually agree with you. Praise God I found a very orthodox, traditional parish with orthodox, traditional teaching! People around the area are flocking to it. I don’t think your opinions are lost on all Catholics. People need to be woken from the post VII fog.
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God bless!
Yes it is very important to search for the right parish and a good confessor - there are only a few today ! But where true Orthodoxy is there is God. May God protect us not to follow modernists and innovaters who try to destroy orthodoxy.
In CHRIST
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jam070406
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I meant orthodox Roman Catholic. I hope you are still excited.
May God protect us from Modernists indeed. That is what I’ve been saying all along. Those clown masses and such are NOT true Catholicism.
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