If the Illuminati isn't real...

  • Thread starter Thread starter Sky_River
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
agnes_therese said:
Sky, you list your religion as Catholic. If you believe Chick tracts, then that’s obviously not true, and you would be a troll. In that case, please go away.
Click to expand...
Uncharitable remark. If Sky is not truly Catholic then why would you push Sky away I don’t think this is what our Pope, in who’s flock you claim to be , would treat Sky.🤷
 
Where are you getting this idea that Bob Dylan was a born again Christian from? Bob Dylan didn’t sing christian songs. He had a song called “knocking on heaven’s door”, but even Led Zeppelin had a song called “stairway to heaven”, but they weren’t Christians. jimmy page wasn’t a christian. Jimmy Page was into aleister crowley and the occult. Having a song with “heaven” in the title does not make somebody a christian.

Also, God does not make bargains with people. Dylan could not have been referring to a bargain he made with God. However, in the New Testament, the devil tempted Jesus with giving him all of the kingdoms of the world, and the Bible describes the devil as the ruler of the earth, which is who bob dylan implied he made a bargain with, to become famous.

If John Lennon did not literally sell his soul to the devil, and he only meant that he sold his soul as a figure of speech, then why did he like aleister crowley, a famous occultist? The Beatles admitted that the people on their sgt pepper album cover were people they “liked and admired”, and crowley was one of the faces on the album.
 
Sky_River said:
Then how can you explain all of the symbolism/lyrics that rappers/pop stars use? For example, Jay Z has a shirt that says, “do what thou wilt”, and his rocawear clothing line has shirts with freemasonic symbolism on it (ie, the dollar bill symbol.)

The symbols on Jay Z’s rocawear clothes, in and of themselves, could very well be coincidences. A lot of people don’t know what the dollar bill sign even means, and it could be argued that Jay Z put it on his clothing line because he thought it looked cool. Jay Z wearing a crowley shirt could simply mean that he bought a shirt from the store. I’m not sure if that shirt even came from his clothing line or not.

But when one takes into consideration Jay Z’s anti christian lyrics and actions, I find it hard to believe that the symbolism he uses is a coincidence/he doesn’t know what it really means. Jay Z blasphemes God by calling himself Jay-Hova, and in Empire state of mind, he sings, “jesus can’t save you”. He even has a song called “Lucifer”. In one video interview, Jay Z says that he’s possessed by spirits, who empower his singing abilities to make him a “modern day frank sinatra”. Here’s his quote.

"“I feel like you know, Sinatra. You know, in my time, you know… modern day Sinatra. So, you know, I try to live up to that. I GET POSSESSED BY THE SPIRITS.”

Another proof that the illuminati is real is the fact that many different famous singers taylor swift, justin bieber, rihanna, bono, drake, lady gaga-all have photos were they cover one eye. If one or two people have photos like that, it could be a coincidence, but why do so many of these singers do it?
Click to expand...
The full statement is “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.” It is attributed to Aleister Crowley, a satanist, and others.

Occult symbolism is a subject I can’t discuss in detail, but let’s just say that those singers were told to do it to gain publicity or actually believe it.

To the world, the term Illuminati is a cover story. The Illuminati the world knows is connected to the occult, witchcraft and satanism. The actual Iluminati was created over a century ago as a collection of wealthy persons who only sought control of the people and the world’s resources. Of course, that was not a good thing, but it was mostly about power and greed and preserving their great wealth. This included making sure members did not try to take advantage of each other. There is also a claimed connection to Freemasonry, a complex subject which I will not got into detail about.

There are a number of different occult hand gestures and meanings. Some actual and some false or just invented to seem ominous.

Peace,
Ed
 
There is a certain site listing ‘rock stars’ who died young because, well, it’s the devil’s music.

They strain their own credibility, however, by including such musicians as Florence Ballard and Nat King Cole.
 
agnes_therese said:
Sky, you list your religion as Catholic. If you believe Chick tracts, then that’s obviously not true, and you would be a troll. In that case, please go away.
Click to expand...
I am not trolling. Explain why you believe the Chick tracts are false, besides jack chick disagreeing with catholicism.
 
For what it’s worth…Bob Dylan became a "born again Christian in the 70’s, and was derided for it by John Lennon.
Dylan performed at a 1997 Eucharistic Congress in Bologna Italy for John Paul II, who then gave a homily to the 200,00 people present based on Dylan’s “Blowin in the Wind.”

I can’t believe any practicing Catholic would get all wound up about anything as ridiculous as the supposed “Illuminati”.
There are people in the world with real problems.
People need to be working for peace, justice, and the spread of the love of Christ to everyone who is hungry, lonely, unemployed, dying, imprisoned, you name it.
I could CARE LESS about celebrities or the misguided paths they take.
I pray for their conversion.
But really, don’t we all have better things to contemplate?
Dearest Lord, have mercy.

peace
 
The illuminati is indeed a real secret society, who is terribly anti-Christian, and seeks to condemn as many young souls of our youth as they possibly can through the singers and celebrities which our youth are deceived by and idolize.
These people have done terrible things, secret rituals, made vows to t he devil, and sold themselves due to their lust for earthly success.
Jesus denied the devil when he offered the world and all the earthly kingdoms to him, these celebrities, in their greed and lust and pride, did not deny the devil when this offer was made to them. They are trying to take your children captive through their suggestive music and movies, your children look up to them. The illuminati leads these people, guides them, like the Holy Ghost guides us unto all goodness, the evil satanic secret society leads these pawns of theirs and even hires genius writers and authors to write their material for them. These celebrities have much attention given unto them, in the entire world, you’re blind and or ignorant if you don’t believe the spiritual powers of darkness in high places doesn’t have free reign over these celebrities and their actions. They are completely in control by those evil forces of darkness. And the quicker you come to the truth of this the more you’ll see the need to draw unto Jesus Christ who is the light of the world, and who saves you from this wicked world and those who control it in their financial greed and evil hearts desires, who are pawns of the luciferian agenda to bring down as many souls as they possibly can into hell with them. Jesus is the answer. These people are antichrists, and deny Jesus. If they don’t deny Him, they use Him as a means to convince more people that they are good when they are really wolves in sheeps clothing.
 
pianistclare said:
For what it’s worth.**…Bob Dylan became a "born again Christian in the 70’s, and was derided for it by John Lennon. **
Dylan performed at a 1997 Eucharistic Congress in Bologna Italy for John Paul II, who then gave a homily to the 200,00 people present based on Dylan’s “Blowin in the Wind.”

I can’t believe any practicing Catholic would get all wound up about anything as ridiculous as the supposed “Illuminati”.
There are people in the world with real problems.
People need to be working for peace, justice, and the spread of the love of Christ to everyone who is hungry, lonely, unemployed, dying, imprisoned, you name it.
I could CARE LESS about celebrities or the misguided paths they take.
I pray for their conversion.
But really, don’t we all have better things to contemplate?
Dearest Lord, have mercy.

peace
Click to expand...
Where are you getting this idea that Bob Dylan became a christian? Bob Dylan had a song with “heaven” in the title of it (knockin on heaven’s door), but that song wasn’t about Christianity.
 
pianistclare said:
For what it’s worth…Bob Dylan became a "born again Christian in the 70’s, and was derided for it by John Lennon.
Dylan performed at a 1997 Eucharistic Congress in Bologna Italy for John Paul II, who then gave a homily to the 200,00 people present based on Dylan’s “Blowin in the Wind.”

I can’t believe any practicing Catholic would get all wound up about anything as ridiculous as the supposed “Illuminati”.
There are people in the world with real problems.
People need to be working for peace, justice, and the spread of the love of Christ to everyone who is hungry, lonely, unemployed, dying, imprisoned, you name it.
I could CARE LESS about celebrities or the misguided paths they take.
I pray for their conversion.
But really, don’t we all have better things to contemplate?
Dearest Lord, have mercy.

peace
Click to expand...
Please don’t change the subject.

Ed
 
Sky_River said:
If it was just a figure of speech, what did Katy Perry mean when she said she sold her soul to the devil?
Click to expand...
Career deviation. (In some cases, it’s also another euphemism for selling out.)

It’s no different from saying that ‘playing the devil’s advocate’ means coming to the defense of something that goes against the status quo.
Sky_River said:
I am not trolling. Explain why you believe the Chick tracts are false, besides jack chick disagreeing with catholicism.
Click to expand...
Oh this is gonna be good. 🍿

So I’m guessing you also believe the dragons of myth were dinosaurs and pretending to cast spells means you can actually control people’s minds so they’ll buy you merchandise? 😉

Y’see, I love dragons. I’ve studied a good bit about their lore. I’ve also played a mage/sorcerer/warlock/wizard in every MMO I signed up for. From my experience, it seems to me old Jack has a lot to clarify.
 
Sky_River said:
I am not trolling. Explain why you believe the Chick tracts are false, besides jack chick disagreeing with catholicism.
Click to expand...
Disagreeing with Catholicism!!!

I have never seen even a non-Catholic minimize Jack Chick’s lies, hatred, and destructiveness that well.

That settles it for me – troll. This can’t possibly be a Catholic writing that.
 
pianistclare said:
For what it’s worth…Bob Dylan became a "born again Christian in the 70’s, and was derided for it by John Lennon.
Dylan performed at a 1997 Eucharistic Congress in Bologna Italy for John Paul II, who then gave a homily to the 200,00 people present based on Dylan’s “Blowin in the Wind.”

I can’t believe any practicing Catholic would get all wound up about anything as ridiculous as the supposed “Illuminati”.
There are people in the world with real problems.
People need to be working for peace, justice, and the spread of the love of Christ to everyone who is hungry, lonely, unemployed, dying, imprisoned, you name it.
I could CARE LESS about celebrities or the misguided paths they take.
I pray for their conversion.
But really, don’t we all have better things to contemplate?
Dearest Lord, have mercy.

peace
Click to expand...
Wait. Aren’t celebrities also human?

Aren’t they also in need of this ‘love and salvation?’ Just because someone is famous, there is no need to CARE about him?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top