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dmelosi
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Why would you think that pro-lifers don’t do both?
If voting republican doesn't change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?
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Vonsalza
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Until we go “grass roots”, abortion will continue to be the law of the land in the country.
Real change is bottom-up. Not top-down.
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dmelosi
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One side has done so, hoping the other will, then it will happen.Until we go “grass roots”, abortion will continue to be the law of the land in the country.
Real change is bottom-up. Not top-down.
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Peter_J
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Some people are convinced not to try by the “it is not possible” line. Others are convinced by “our focus should be to get constitution amendment”.
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IWantGod
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We both want abortion to stop. We simply disagree about how one goes about doing that.
Its a culture war and the only way you can win that war is by changing the culture…
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Ridgerunner
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I think this misses the fact that many people identify “what’s moral” with “what’s legal”. Had the law regarding segregation not changed FIRST in the 1960s, would “cultural change” about it have been the same? Personally, I have my doubts.
The Supremes could turn the matter of abortion back to the states by simply observing that states govern many things, including “what’s murder” and “what isn’t” and whether people get executed or they don’t.
and some states would outlaw it and some wouldn’t. As to those who did, there would be a moral example from the authority to which most people (unfortunately) look to.
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IWantGod
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Do you seriously think that someone just decided to change the law arbitrarily? No. There was a change in cultural attitudes (proceeding a history of cultural changes) toward segregation and there was a lot of fighting. That change was strong enough to influence the law because the law realized that segregation wasn’t going to work.
Why would that happen?
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Vonsalza
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This is the irrefutable truth.
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dmelosi
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This is the irrefutable copout. There is only 1 reason not to attack from all sides. To ease one’s conscience for supporting the party that promotes the intentional killing of the most innocent.This is the irrefutable truth.
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Monte_RCMS
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The Democrat / Democratic Party has changed dramatically … from the party of slavery to the party of communism.
The Republican Party started out as the anti-slavery party … and still is.
The Democrat / Democratic Party has wholly embraced abortion. Check their party platform. Read p37 0f the DNC platform.
The Republican Party started out as the anti-slavery party and has embraced pro-life.
The Democrat / Democratic Party weasel-words its beliefs … and it will take time to get them to admit that pro-choice is actually really pro-abortion.
The Republican Party is the pro-life party and it will take time to overcome the weasel-wording of the Democrat / Democratic Party.
There is a book: None Dare Call It Treason by John A. Stormer. And he updated it 25 years later. Check with Amazon. And check with your library: 323.2S
The Republican Party started out as the anti-slavery party … and still is.
The Democrat / Democratic Party has wholly embraced abortion. Check their party platform. Read p37 0f the DNC platform.
The Republican Party started out as the anti-slavery party and has embraced pro-life.
The Democrat / Democratic Party weasel-words its beliefs … and it will take time to get them to admit that pro-choice is actually really pro-abortion.
The Republican Party is the pro-life party and it will take time to overcome the weasel-wording of the Democrat / Democratic Party.
There is a book: None Dare Call It Treason by John A. Stormer. And he updated it 25 years later. Check with Amazon. And check with your library: 323.2S
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Monte_RCMS
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Here is the Democrat / Democratic Party platform on abortion:
Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
Democrats are committed to protecting and advancing reproductive health, rights, and justice. We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured. We believe that reproductive health is core to women’s, men’s, and young people’s health and wellbeing. We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers, which provide critical health services to millions of people. We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment. We condemn and will combat any acts of violence, harassment, and intimidation of reproductive health providers, patients, and staff. We will defend the ACA, which extends affordable preventive health care to women, including no-cost contraception, and prohibits discrimination in health care based on gender.
We will address the discrimination and barriers that inhibit meaningful access to reproductive health care services, including those based on gender, sexuality, race, income, disability, and other factors. We recognize that quality, affordable comprehensive health care, evidence-based sex education and a full range of family planning services help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
And we strongly and unequivocally support a woman’s decision to have a child, including by ensuring a safe and healthy pregnancy and childbirth, and by providing services during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including adoption and social support services, as well as protections for women against pregnancy discrimination. We are committed to creating a society where children are safe and can thrive physically, emotionally, educationally, and spiritually. We recognize and support the importance of civil structures that are essential to creating this for every child.
Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
Democrats are committed to protecting and advancing reproductive health, rights, and justice. We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured. We believe that reproductive health is core to women’s, men’s, and young people’s health and wellbeing. We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers, which provide critical health services to millions of people. We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment. We condemn and will combat any acts of violence, harassment, and intimidation of reproductive health providers, patients, and staff. We will defend the ACA, which extends affordable preventive health care to women, including no-cost contraception, and prohibits discrimination in health care based on gender.
We will address the discrimination and barriers that inhibit meaningful access to reproductive health care services, including those based on gender, sexuality, race, income, disability, and other factors. We recognize that quality, affordable comprehensive health care, evidence-based sex education and a full range of family planning services help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
And we strongly and unequivocally support a woman’s decision to have a child, including by ensuring a safe and healthy pregnancy and childbirth, and by providing services during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including adoption and social support services, as well as protections for women against pregnancy discrimination. We are committed to creating a society where children are safe and can thrive physically, emotionally, educationally, and spiritually. We recognize and support the importance of civil structures that are essential to creating this for every child.
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Vonsalza
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No, the reason to not “attack from all sides” is that victory can only come with SCOTUS overturning itself or getting an amendment passed that bans it. Attacking in any other way is like dispatching a battalion of infantry to capture a submarine…
…and this is going to sound TOTALLY NUTS to many of you, but here it goes anyway:
There are other important issues besides just abortion. One being our actual government…
As long as the majority of Americans are pro-choice, the law is simply not going to change. Voting “Republican” in the hopes they’ll ban abortion has been a wasted vote for 45 years. It’s going to be a wasted vote for the next 45 if their tactics don’t change. They won’t.
On abortion, we’ve lost the culture. Abortion won’t ever be illegal again unless we win them back. Which politician you vote for is, thus, irrelevant to this desired end.
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