If voting republican doesn't change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?

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Do you mean glamorizing the KKK that was started by Democrats after Republican victory over the Confederacy? No use talking to Dems with their race tactics. They only seek to divide and conquer. I’m a proud Southernerand a Catholic and it’s so funny when people try lumping me with the KKK, as the Klan hates Catholicism and targeted Catholics a hundred years ago, especially the immigrants. Also, note the red herring tactic of turning the talk away from Abortion and towards alleged GOP racism.
 
this was supposed to be a thread about “single issue” voting

“trump derangement” syndrome sufferers have derailed it…

too bad, this might’ve been a good thread…
 
DeoVindice1863 said:
Do you mean glamorizing the KKK that was started by Democrats after Republican victory over the Confederacy? No use talking to Dems with their race tactics. They only seek to divide and conquer. I’m a proud Southernerand a Catholic and it’s so funny when people try lumping me with the KKK, as the Klan hates Catholicism and targeted Catholics a hundred years ago, especially the immigrants.
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My Grandpa came from Italy in the early 1913, and I remember him telling stories of the KKK harassing them. Very anti-Catholic and immigrants.

How conveniently the haters forget their longtime senate leader being a KKK leader.

Almost the entirety of the KKK background is from the democratic party.

You rarely hear much about Margaret Sanger, (one of the left’s heroes), who was an extreme racist and part of her reasoning for abortion was to eliminate the minorities.
 
brian_custer said:
this was supposed to be a thread about “single issue” voting

“trump derangement” syndrome sufferers have derailed it…

too bad, this might’ve been a good thread…
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I thought it was a thread about… If voting republican doesn’t change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?

Either you or I are reading the title wrong.

So many only pick and choose what they want to see, no matter the truth.
 
brian_custer said:
i am largely a single issue voter

i abandoned the republican party long ago for a variety of reasons

the hypocritical lip-service they give to the pro-life agenda being the biggest reason…

the only reason to vote republican is because (at least) they largely favor a pro-life Supreme Court
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Not good enough. Especially after the 2016 election.
 
OP, note that voting prolife is not the same as simply “voting Republican.” Not all Republicans are prolife and not all Democrats are pro-death.

Christians are obligated to vote prolife. It is not an optional matter. We must oppose the Culture of Death to the best of our ability.
 
randomuser said:
More Satanic than committing domestic terrorism with vehicular homicide and glamorizing the KKK?
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Yeah, because that is listed in the party platform…:rolleyes:

You should really tone down the hyperbole if you want anyone to actually consider what you type, man. You’ve literally just stated that anyone who has voted for a Republican secretly or perhaps not so secretly harbors murderous, racist intentions in their hearts.

NeoNazis are NeoNazis. I don’t believe they have a “party”. They are sad, angry, pathetic people who have somehow come across and glamorized a failed, defeated, hateful ideology simply because it caused some historical waves.

Or perhaps I am wrong and the rioters in Charlottesville were actually chanting, “For the GOP! Reagan! Down with Excessive Taxation! Smaller Government! All life is sacred! Woo!” and I just missed it.
 
Because abortion is not the only issue.

Not every Republican is a single issue voter.

ICXC NIKA
 
To answer the OP’s question, several reasons.

For one, the overarching Republican platform is based on subsidiarity. The party generally tries (or campaigns on trying) to leave or devolve decision-making powers to the lowest possible level, either at the government level or to the individual. This is evident in the two different approaches to government between the two parties. Democrats approach most issues from “what shouldn’t the government provide to the individual” while Republicans approach most issues from “what powers should individuals allow the government to assume”. Republicans are more of a bottom-up approach, Democrats more of a top-down.

American politics revolves very much around the balance of power between the citizen and the state. Republicans are generally loathe to give up powers to the state. Democrats are generally loathe to leave powers with the individual.

And with that we have several themes:

R- campaign on tax breaks, focus on “keeping your own money”
D- tax hikes, focus on class warefare “these people don’t deserve their wealth”

R- morals matter to society; families build society
D- whatever makes you happy; individuals are the be-all end-all

I could go on, but this is basically what I see. For me, Democrats are always trying to divide people into warring camps: blacks vs whites vs hispanics vs muslims, rich vs middle class vs poor, men vs women, etc. It is so tiring hearing about how we should all hate some other group that is keeping us down. Everyone has to be a victim.

Republicans seem more in line with natural law to me- that all men should be treated the same, that the individual or family is often best left to its own devices, that government is most effective at a local level, etc.

I see the democratic party treating people like children, to be managed for their own good; I see republicans treating people like adults, to be allowed to make decisions in their own best interest.

But this is just me, and of course parties change and morph over time.
 
IWantGod said:
This is for single issue voters.

If voting republican doesn’t change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?

Why vote for a candidate simply because he is pro-life when doing so doesn’t change anything?
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Voting Republican actually does do things for pro-life. Republican controlled state legislature often put in place pro-life laws and put in laws to limit abortion. Also, Republicans appoint pro-life judges and justices which are needed to prevent to the judicial from declaring pro-life laws to be unconstitutional.
 
phil19034 said:
Voting Republican actually does do things for pro-life. Republican controlled state legislature often put in place pro-life laws and put in laws to limit abortion. Also, Republicans appoint pro-life judges and justices which are needed to prevent to the judicial from declaring pro-life laws to be unconstitutional.
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Agreed. And as to why I continue to be a one issue/one party voter, consider the following:

10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?)
City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
  1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
  2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
  3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
  4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
  5. Miami, FL 26.9%
  6. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
  7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
  8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
  9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
  10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
What do these top ten cities (over 250,000 pop.) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
Detroit, MI - (1st on poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961
Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954
Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984
Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989
Miami, FL - (5th) has never had a Republican mayor
St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949
El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor
Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908
Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952
Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907

Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’
It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats… yet they are still POOR.

“You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.”
~Abraham Lincoln (then again, Abe was a Republican)

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a much closer look at the American Indian.”
~Henry Ford

Many of the posters who have defended the answer to the OP’s question have stated anything I would have to say further. The United States of America is never going to legally do away with abortion totally. There will always be the option for cases of rape and incest. I don’t believe in abortion at all, but since God gives man free will to act in opposition to His Law, I ask myself if I have that right to take away another’s free choice, even if I don’t agree with it. Republicans who are pro life (and the democrates who are also pro life, can only do so much to end the unfettered proliferation of death. At least most of them try to so extent or another.

Shalom
 
Joe_5859 said:
So, it’s generally not helpful to make blanket and hyperbolic statements like “Republicans never do anything to stop abortion, therefore I don’t even need to consider a candidate’s stance on abortion in making my voting decisions.” It’s not that black and white. You have to look at each individual candidate and see what types of legislation they support that will help or hurt in regards to abortion.
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The National Right to Life Convention keeps a report card on all Congressmen and US Senators

nrlc.org/statelegislation/ (use the Legislation drop down) to see them. You can review each member of House and Senate regarding how they voted.

For example: I live in PA. We have 18 members of the US House.
for the 115th Congress, we have the following so far
– 12 Republicans – 3 of the Republicans have a 66% prolife record, while the rest have a 100% prolife record.
– 6 Democrats. 5 of the 6 Democrats have a 0% prolife record, while the remaining one has a 33% prolife record.

During the 114th Congress, we had: 5 democrats and 13 republicans.
– 3 Democrats had a 0% pro-life record, 1 Democrat has a 6% pro-life record and 1 democrat had a 13% pro-life record.
– 10 Republican had a 100% pro-life record, 2 had an 86% pro-life record, and 1 had a 66% pro-life record.

So as you can see, there is a difference.

Additionally, most state pro-life organizations (if not all) have the same thing for State House reps and State Senators.
 
IWantGod said:
This is for single issue voters.

If voting republican doesn’t change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?

Why vote for a candidate simply because he is pro-life when doing so doesn’t change anything?
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I’m curious why you imagined your OP was factual?

Within SCOTUS boundaries the laws and public funding have changed significantly between states that are Blue vs Red.
 
IWantGod said:
This is for single issue voters.

If voting republican doesn’t change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?

Why vote for a candidate simply because he is pro-life when doing so doesn’t change anything?
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Verily, the greatest trick the Republican Party ever pulled was convincing the working class that they ever gave a rip about them because they verbally claim to have “Jesus” in common.

The Reps controlled both houses for four years under George W. Bush 03-07. If they didn’t do it then, they’re never going to do it.

If they lost that bait to dangle in front of you, you’d stop voting for them.
 
Vonsalza said:
Verily, the greatest trick the Republican Party ever pulled was convincing the working class that they ever gave a rip about them because they verbally claim to have “Jesus” in common.

The Reps controlled both houses for four years under George W. Bush 03-07. If they didn’t do it then, they’re never going to do it.

If they lost that bait to dangle in front of you, you’d stop voting for them.
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Typical to not have anything specific because obvious hate.

One thing that can be backed up and is certain, when your party is in power, the abortion agenda is advanced as fast as they can, and becomes more entrenched by design.
 
You need to do better than just reciting empty talking points.

We have a safety net, but I expect you want a guaranteed income rather than expecting the parents to be responsible.

Use of the death penalty is quite rare

Deaths from war are also down significantly, study some history.

Death Panels? I find this talking point pathetic from both sides. Resources are not unlimited, not sufficient to demand.

Pro-white national? That’s some serious projection on your part.
randomuser said:
Self-explanatory: no safety net for families choosing life.

Pro-death penalty
Pro-war
Pro-“death panels”
Pro-“white national”

So much death and killing in the GOP.
Tired of hearing the GOP held up as the “pro-life” Gold Standard.
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dmelosi said:
Typical to not have anything specific because obvious hate.
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It’s not obvious hate, and there was something specific:

Republicans had the US presidency AND both houses of congress for four years and did not ban abortion. If that’s one of the party goals, what else could they have possibly been waiting for? Seriously, I’m all-ears (or eyes, as it were).

And, frankly, the reply was very specific to the OP of the thread. 🤷
One thing that can be backed up and is certain, when your party is in power, the abortion agenda is advanced as fast as they can, and becomes more entrenched by design.
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Which is tragic. It’s one of the things I dislike about my party.

But I vote the whole plank, not just one or two talking points. I’m just disgusted less by the democrat plank on-the-whole, ergo they often (not always, I was a McCain man in 07) get my vote.
 
Vonsalza said:
It’s not obvious hate, and there was something specific:

Republicans had the US presidency AND both houses of congress for four years and did not ban abortion. If that’s one of the party goals, what else could they have possibly been waiting for? Seriously, I’m all-ears (or eyes, as it were).

And, frankly, the reply was very specific to the OP of the thread. 🤷

Which is tragic. It’s one of the things I dislike about my party.

But I vote the whole plank, not just one or two talking points. I’m just disgusted less by the democrat plank on-the-whole, ergo they often (not always, I was a McCain man in 07) get my vote.
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I am disappointed that more has not been done on abortion as well. But I am sure that you really don’t think a ban is how it would work.

The appointment of judges is the real way it will work.

I am a little surprised that you talk about the loss of human life as a talking point.
 
Vonsalza said:
Verily, the greatest trick the Republican Party ever pulled was convincing the working class that they ever gave a rip about them because they verbally claim to have “Jesus” in common.

The Reps controlled both houses for four years under George W. Bush 03-07. If they didn’t do it then, they’re never going to do it.

If they lost that bait to dangle in front of you, you’d stop voting for them.
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This is precisely why i started this thread. The only reason they say they are pro life is so they can get votes. Short of a civil war they are not going to stop Abortion.
 
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