If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic? - 2

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Memaw said:
The Eastern Orthodox are not allowed to receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church and Catholics are not allowed to receive Communion in the Orthodox Church, (except under rear and unusual circumstances). While the Catholic Church recognizes they still have apostolic succession and valid sacraments, they are still in schism and not in union with the Catholic Church. Hopefully they are working on that and coming closer and closer to the day they will return to full unity with the Catholic Church. But in the meantime we pray and wait but we cannot receive Holy Communion is a schismatic church.(Unless we are dying and there is NO Catholic Priest available or if we are so far from a Catholic church it would be impossible to get there. those circumstances would be very rare tho.)

The Anglican church broke the Apostolic Succession after King Henry the VII took over as head of the Church in England.
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There are some cases when Eastern Orthodox are allowed by the Latin Church to receive communion in a Catholic church. The Eastern Orthodox almost across the board do not allow Orthodox to receive communion at a Catholic church.

I don’t understand why one would want to receive communion from a schismatic church, even if one is dying.
 
Madaglan said:
There are some cases when Eastern Orthodox are allowed by the Latin Church to receive communion in a Catholic church. The Eastern Orthodox almost across the board do not allow Orthodox to receive communion at a Catholic church.

I don’t understand why one would want to receive communion from a schismatic church, even if one is dying.
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Because of the validity of the Sacraments and the Grace they bring. Because they are schismatic, doesn’t change the power of the Sacraments.
 
Madaglan said:
I don’t understand why one would want to receive communion from a schismatic church, even if one is dying.
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In the case of Orthodox and Catholic Churches, the Eucharist is still the Eucharist. So long as the priest administering the Sacrament has valid orders, I would receive.
 
Memaw said:
They read all the garbage thats printed against the Catholic Church, why don’t they try reading some of the TRUTH. Like my mom always said, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”
I am just pointing out the fountain of TRUTH, its up to them what they do with it. DO you not understand???
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Yes, I do understand, more than you know. Yes, they should read the truth about the Catholic Church, and not just anti-Catholic propaganda. I agree. However, once they read it, they may still feel the the Catholic Church has fault and is not the way they want to worship God. As long as these non-Catholic Christians worship God and attempt to follow Christ with a sincere conscious and good heart, IMO, they are going to be ok. We as Catholics should accept that and respect them as fellow Christians.
 
Memaw said:
I thought you said you were a Catholic, whose side are you on anyway?
It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks or says, but it does matter what CHRIST said and did. The Truth is the Truth if NO ONE believes it and a Lie is a Lie even if everyone believes it.

Why are they here on this forum if they aren’t seeking the truth? The problem is they are defending their misunderstandings about the Catholic Church instead of really seeking the truth. I believe deep down they KNOW that all this division is wrong and thats why they are in denial about the truth. Trying so hard to hang onto something that is rapidly slipping away from them. Just look at how weak the protestant denominations have become on so many moral truths. Abortion, Homosexuality, divorce and remarriage, birth control, to name some. While the Catholic Church stands strong against them all, in the TRUTH. The Pope IS the authority to alllll Christians whether they believe it or NOT. Jesus put him there, not me.
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I’m a Christian first, a Catholic second, just as you ought to be. No, the Pope is not the authority to all Christians. You seem to have almost a disdain for anybody who is not Catholic. IMO, you need to get over that.
 
Swan said:
You are misunderstanding, though in re-reading I can see how you got that impression. Also, thanks for asking instead of just assuming. What I meant to say was that I have been pushed away by the attutides of many of these forums. While I struggle on my path to God I have encountered so much self-rightousness that I have been wounded. I have encountered presumption, lack of compassion, castigation and condemnation a plenty. And I would like to say to those who indulge in such activity (not you, Pixie Dust) that you do not seem to be aware, or to care, about the damage you are doing to the faith of others, the obstacles you are putting on the path to God and that perhaps you might want to give this some thought. This is Palm Sunday and it is just today that I realize the extent of the wounds and pain these attitudes have inflicted. We love God because of his unconditional, all powerful love for us, his patience, his compassion. I see very little of that here. Thus, I have begun to look elsewhere. It is a simple, and sad (to me anyway) as that.
😦

Have a blessed Holy Week.
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It is a sad, but true, fact that we (all christians, Catholics and protestants alike) are fallen beings. Some of us live our faith more truthfully than others. I, too, have been wounded deeply, by the protestants in the churches from which I come. That fact, however, is not the reason that I plan to become a Catholic at the next (2009) Easter vigil. It is because of my study of the Sacred Scriptures, the independent histories, and the works of the early Church fathers. My faith in Christ alone was well founded. However, I felt strongly that there was something incomplete about what I had been taught for the 20 or 30 years of my christian life. Please note that I do not say incorrect or heretical, simply incomplete. This is what prompted my study. Not the cruelty or indifference of the cliques and social hierarchies in the multiple protestant churches I belonged to. I urge you, Swan, to make your decisions on faith and intellect. Do not judge God or His Church by the imperfect humans who represent Him.
 
Memaw said:
Because of the validity of the Sacraments and the Grace they bring. Because they are schismatic, doesn’t change the power of the Sacraments.
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Where Christ is [in the Eucharist] there is the Church. 🙂
 
Pixie_Dust said:
In the case of Orthodox and Catholic Churches, the Eucharist is still the Eucharist. So long as the priest administering the Sacrament has valid orders, I would receive.
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The Eucharist is a sign of unity in the Body of Christ.
 
LaMar said:
Why would you assume anyone would have a reason?

Most people are who they are because they were spoonfed a lot of propaganda by their parents. Had I not been born a Mormon, I wouldn’t be in any way interested in it as an adult. Knowing what I know about the LDS church, I wouldn’t let the Mormon missionaries on my property, most likely.

When the Roman Empire adopted Christianity, it went down the tubes almost immediately. What remained of it moved to Constantinople and did fine…until they adopted Christianity later, and then those poor suckers went down the tubes too.

What does Catholicism do today? I see a lot of sexism, homophobia, pedophilia committed by priests and nuns on a worldwide scale, involvement in the holocaust, et cetera.

The Catholic Church has retarded the progress of the world and reduces every society it takes hold of to third-world status almost immediately. Every time there’s a reform movement that helps Catholics (Luther, Liberation Theology) it’s put down immediately from the top. Had it not been for the Holy See, humanity probably woulda touched down on the moon around 1200 CE and split the atom shortly afterward.

So, maybe you should ask yourself why anyone would become a Catholic? It’d be like joining the Scientologists or Snake Handlers. No thanks to the offer of more insanity. I’ve had my fill already.
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Actually, if you study your history, you will find that the Catholic Church is responsible for the development of the scientific method, among other advancements in the knowledge of mankind.

I am not yet a Catholic, though I hope to become one at the 2009 Easter Vigil. I have not committed intellectual suicide to do so, but made my decisions based upon sound research.

This post is by someone who was trained originally as a biochemist/biophysicist and published research in stem cell usefulness long before it became a hot topic. I am, ultimately, a physician, but still a scientist. As were most of the great scientists; (not that I am a great scientist :o ) I am a believer in God and His creation.
 
mikew262 said:
Yes, I do understand, more than you know. Yes, they should read the truth about the Catholic Church, and not just anti-Catholic propaganda. I agree. However, once they read it, they may still feel the the Catholic Church has fault and is not the way they want to worship God. As long as these non-Catholic Christians worship God and attempt to follow Christ with a sincere conscious and good heart, IMO, they are going to be ok. We as Catholics should accept that and respect them as fellow Christians.
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Its not our place to judge, just to speak the truth and thats what I do.
 
Madaglan said:
Where Christ is [in the Eucharist] there is the Church. 🙂
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To put it in the True light, St. Ignatius of Antioch, in the year 110, said," Wherever the bishop, ( The Pope) appears, let the people be there, Just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." While they do have the valid Sacraments, they are still in schism, we do acknowledge that and pray they will someday be reunited to the Catholic Church.
 
Memaw said:
To put it in the True light, St. Ignatius of Antioch, in the year 110, said," Wherever the bishop, ( The Pope) appears, let the people be there, Just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." While they do have the valid Sacraments, they are still in schism, we do acknowledge that and pray they will someday be reunited to the Catholic Church.
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What? St. Ignatius meant The Pope when he said the bishop??? :confused:

Where Jesus Christ is [in his mysteries] there is the Catholic Church.

Hopefully, the bishop of Rome will return to the Catholic fold.
 
mnicklin said:
Apostolicae Curae is a Roman idea. We do not accept the Pope authority or infalibilty as you do. Again the answer you give me is the Pope said so. Do you worship God or the Pope? If Popes are infalible, why did it take a thousand years to figure it out? If Popes are infalible, why did they kill thousands simply because someone did not believe the Roman Catholic Religion? If you where living in the time of the inquisition I suppose that you would be one who would go along with it, because after all the Pope said these people should die. If you say that you would not go along with the killing, then you would be labeled a Protestant.

Name a time when a Protestant denomination ever killed so many Roman Catholics.

If you study the Early Church, the true Catholic Church, you will discover that women clergy are nothing new.
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What part of the definition of infallibility don’t you understand? Infallibility refers to the Pope’s ability to proclaim infallible doctrine regarding faith and morals. That’s it. Infallibility does not refer to every single word the Pope says. He must officially proclaim a doctrine of faith and morals infallible to use this power. And again, infallibility and impeccability are two completely different things. The pope is not impeccable, or sinless, and never will be. No properly catachized Catholic believes in his impeccability. Perhaps you should research into the Huguenots in France, the Thirty Years War, and the Anglican persecution of Catholics in Ireland and Scotland. Also, you need to further research the Spanish Inquisition, for you will learn that the casualty numbers are far lower then the Enlightment-influenced historians first wrote. The primacy of the Seat of Rome is indeed found in many readings of the early church fathers. I suggest you research them as well, before making and rash statements. Here is one example:

Optatus of Milevus

“In the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas ‘Rock’]—of all the apostles, the one chair in which unity is maintained by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then, the origins of your chair, those of you who wish to claim for yourselves the title of holy Church” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).

If you will look at these quotes you will find that the primacy of Peter is nothing new.

catholic.com/library/Authority_of_the_Pope_Part_1.asp

catholic.com/library/Authority_of_the_Pope_Part_2.asp
 
Memaw said:
Prove it!
Read the Papal Bull, Apostolicae Cure (Sept.,13, 1896) which declared Anglican orders to be “absolutely null and void,” because of defect in (1) the form in the rite of ordaining and (2) the intention of the one ordaining.
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Here is your proof from a non-bias site.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Archbishops_of_Canterbury

I have read Papal Bull and after doing so I understand why it is called Papal Bull. 🙂 It only means something to you if you believe everything the Pope says.
 
Dori1 said:
It is a sad, but true, fact that we (all christians, Catholics and protestants alike) are fallen beings. Some of us live our faith more truthfully than others. I, too, have been wounded deeply, by the protestants in the churches from which I come. That fact, however, is not the reason that I plan to become a Catholic at the next (2009) Easter vigil. It is because of my study of the Sacred Scriptures, the independent histories, and the works of the early Church fathers. My faith in Christ alone was well founded. However, I felt strongly that there was something incomplete about what I had been taught for the 20 or 30 years of my christian life. Please note that I do not say incorrect or heretical, simply incomplete. This is what prompted my study. Not the cruelty or indifference of the cliques and social hierarchies in the multiple protestant churches I belonged to. I urge you, Swan, to make your decisions on faith and intellect. Do not judge God or His Church by the imperfect humans who represent Him.
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God bless you on your journey, You are 100% right.

Do we seek the TRUTH for Christ’s sake and ours, or do we set around licking our wounds because someone didn’t say things just to suit our mood. This is a pamper me or I won’t listen generation and where does all that pampering get one. Please you all, if you don’t like how we say things, study. Find out for yourself.
 
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