If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

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I’m Catholic, we are suposed to see Jesus in everyone. But, I admit I do it when I get repeatedly attacked by people who do not respond to posts, but continue to spout venom and hate, which is beyond uncharitable, I might respond less than charitable. :o
Most of the catholics on the forums are fine but more than a small minority are rude from jumpstreet.

Everything you just described in your above post happens to non-catholics on the forum too.
 
You’re talking “before Christ implimented His Church”. After Christ, they were fallible, because they rejected Him and thus lost the seat of Moses and Jesus took it from them and gave it to His Apostles.

And they were given the protection (as His Church) of 1) the gates of Hell never prevailing against it and 2) the help of The Holy Paraclete.

If you think that their fallible and Protestants took out the Deuterocanonical Books, what does that tell you about the Protestants then? :hmmm:

And for the record…here’s what Jesus said about The Pharisees “before” He brought about His Church after His death:

Matthew 23
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2Saying "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Yup…they had authority but I see nothig at all that insinuates that they were infallible and they taught the corban rule before the New Covenant began.
 
:confused: Not following you. Are you saying Paul was referring to future writings of NT?
I’m Catholic, I take the NT literally.:eek:
I am saying that Paul was describing the nature of scripture, whether it be the OT or the NT but wasn’t trying to define the extent of the canon.
 
First off, the scriptures can use allegory but that wouldn’t be an error.

Depending on what you mean by “the scriptures can have error regarding matters outside of faith and morals.” you may be putting yourself in direct opposition to several popes and the constant teaching of your church.
Which version of the creation story do you believe?

Gen 1:26-28
*26
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground.”
27
God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28
God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all *

Genesis 2:7, 2:18-23
7
the LORD God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being.
18
The LORD God said: “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him.”
So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.
22
The LORD God then built up into a woman the rib that he had taken from the man. When he brought her to the man,
23
5 the man said: “This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of ‘her man’ this one has been taken.”
 
Hell is right…the NIV bible is published by the publishers of The Satanic Bible…is “it” The Word of God still to you? Can a bad tree produce a good fruit?

A Protestant Source:

av1611.org/niv.html

(with veryfiable secular sources)
Okay, so you are saying that one of the publishers of the NIV (I do believe there are many and not just one) also publish the Satanic bible. I wonder if they also publish any catholic publications?
 
hi whatisthetruth:) in my home town there is the united church,the catholic church and the abundant living mininstries church(which at last i knew belived if one dies in sin off to heaven regardless). It was by reading the bible and by the Grace of God that i came back to the true church. i hope i would go to heaven hence my hope is in His just judgement. one can not say who is to go to heaven for that is to bring Jesus down, one can not say who is going to hell for that is raise Christ up things only which God can do. i guess you missed my reply tp c659’s post. what he described is one of (so far) joyful expierences. whenever my church has a pot luck lunch after Holy Mass,when we are all done eating, i sneak upstairs kneeling before my Lord in the tabernacle,i have my own private time with Him. sometimes i pray other i let the tears of love stream down my face. even typing this brings tears to my eyes.sorry for taking so long to reply computer grief and phone calls this is the third time i’ve tried thanks
 
Which version of the creation story do you believe?

Gen 1:26-28
*26
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground.”
27
God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28
God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all *

Genesis 2:7, 2:18-23
7
the LORD God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being.
18
The LORD God said: “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him.”
So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.
22
The LORD God then built up into a woman the rib that he had taken from the man. When he brought her to the man,
23
5 the man said: “This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of ‘her man’ this one has been taken.”
I’ll answer this but first you are going to have to tell me what this is supposed to demonstrate?

In particular you are going to have to demonstrate what this is supposed to mean since your church hasn’t declared whether or not the creation story is literal or allegorical.
 
I am saying that Paul was describing the nature of scripture, whether it be the OT or the NT but wasn’t trying to define the extent of the canon.
But there was no NT Canon!! Even OT got changed in approx 90 by Jews who didn’t want to use the same OT as Christians did.
 
Yes they did.

The Pharisees.

Even Jesus told His followers to obey what The Pharisees taught theologically when they taught Scripture.

The Jews “heard” The Scriptures, but didn’t “listen” to The Scriptures.
The Pharisees were not infallible. If they were, why would Jesus tell His disciples to beware of their teaching?
“How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
(Matthew 16:11-12 NASB)
 
But there was no NT Canon!! Even OT got changed in approx 90 by Jews who didn’t want to use the same OT as Christians did.
So? The fact is Paul was describing the nature of scripture not the extent of it. If you believe the NT is God breathed I don’t know why you would have a problem with this.

BTW, Roger Beckwith, FF Bruce, and Lee MacDonald all say that the council of Jamnia never discussed the deutero’s.
 
I’ll answer this but first you are going to have to tell me what this is supposed to demonstrate?
two different versions of how the humans were created.
In particular you are going to have to demonstrate what this is supposed to mean since your church hasn’t declared whether or not the creation story is literal or allegorical.
Actually, our Church teaches that we MUST believe there was an Adam and an Eve, and that all humanity descended from them. The term “days” could mean a thousand years. Just as raining cats and dogs means it rained heavily. There is a difference between LITERAL meaning (Catholic) and Literalist (fundamentalist).

Bible was understandable to Jews and Jewish culture of the time. As modern Christians, we do not always understand the symbolic nature of Jesus’ actions, but they were obvious to the Jews. A modern Christian would not on his own know this, but must be educated in this. I could give you examples, if you would like.
 
The Pharisees were not infallible. If they were, why would Jesus tell His disciples to beware of their teaching?
Jesus said to follow their teaching, but not their hypocrasy.
Later on,
Jesus’ warning his disciples against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees comes immediately before his promise to confer on Peter the authority to bind and to loose on earth (Matthew 16:19), an authority that will be confirmed in heaven. Such authority most probably has to do, at least in part, with teaching.** The rejection of the teaching authority of the Pharisees (see also Matthew 12:12-14) prepares for a new one derived from Jesus.**

In other words, reject the teachings of the Pharisees regarding who Jesus was.
 
two different versions of how the humans were created.
You aren’t the only person to have noticed that but I still fail to see how my answer will demonstrate anything.

I could:
a.) Square the two accounts so that they match which many Catholic scholars used to do.

b.) I could say that the two accounts are allegorical and are trying to teach us different things.

Either way, I don’t see what this is going to demonstrate.
Actually, our Church teaches that we MUST believe there was an Adam and an Eve, and that all humanity descended from them. The term “days” could mean a thousand years. Just as raining cats and dogs means it rained heavily. There is a difference between LITERAL meaning (Catholic) and Literalist (fundamentalist).
Your church hasn’t said one can’t accept a literal meaning either although I am pretty sure they would be in the minority in your church.
Bible was understandable to Jews and Jewish culture of the time. As modern Christians, we do not always understand the symbolic nature of Jesus’ actions, but they were obvious to the Jews. A modern Christian would not on his own know this, but must be educated in this. I could give you examples, if you would like.
This is very true but both your church and mine have spent a lot of time and money educating people.
 
Don’t worry he (Fred Smith) will probably be back using an alias, that is if he isn’t already back. Keep your eyes open. I have seen this done more than once before.
🤓

I’ll keep my eyes peeled!

Did you like my Eulogy for him?

😃
 
Most of the catholics on the forums are fine but more than a small minority are rude from jumpstreet.

Everything you just described in your above post happens to non-catholics on the forum too.
Pw, what you say is undoubtedy true.

I’ve gone off with the rhetoric myself, but never out of a hateful heart.

However, there are some here who’ve been just as nasty as any anti-Catholic that’s come here.

🤷
 
However, there are some here who’ve been just as nasty as any anti-Catholic that’s come here.

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Like I said, most (including you) have been fine at least to me but there are a few…

Usually I give a few warnings and hit the ignore button.
 
Okay, so you are saying that one of the publishers of the NIV (I do believe there are many and not just one) also publish the Satanic bible. I wonder if they also publish any catholic publications?
No Catholic book can be published without the authority of The Catholic Church and only after it’s been thoroughly reviewd “by” The Church.

The NIV has no “owner” per say like The Holy Bible does in The Church.

It is owned by the company that published the Satanic bible.

Now, how can one trust a book published by a company that publishes works of Satanists?
 
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