If you could, what changes if any would you make to the Ordinary Form?

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It’s a prayer, not a song.
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Didn’t Augustine say he who sings prays twice…?
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😀 I was waiting for that response. Yea, the only problem I have is most people “lyrically mumble” and don’t really sing. Most times, I think the Our Father would be far more reverential if if were simply reverentially recited.
And I understand singing the “Gloria”. But its the same problem, and a difficult prayer to sing. I bless the celebrant three times when he says, “let us recite…….”
 
Yeah, I get what you’re saying.

But there is some lay-friendly, simple chant out there
 
The only real change I would make would be to move the sign of peace to before the Eucharistic Prayer. I remember that Pope Benedict XVI even mentioned this change as one which could be examined. I agree with him that it somewhat chops up the solemnity of the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (Matthew 5:23-24)

This change would correspond somewhat with the literal meaning of the above verse.
 
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Maximilian75 said:
Yeah, I get what you’re saying.

But there is some lay-friendly, simple chant out there
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You know Max, I was listening to a lot of Aretha Franklin on You Tube yesterday while writing my “column”. That kind of enthusiasm and “life” in the praise of God through singing, I could go for in the Church. Unfortunately, the “hymns” we use don’t lend themselves to Aretha’s magnificent talent. (or at least, her style)
 
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Absolutely.

However, sadly, Aretha Franklin can’t cantor every Mass…
 
Our Order administers a traditionally African-American parish in the rural old south. There are quite a few Catholic friendly spirituals that are truly beautiful. The Catholic priests during the early days of the diocese of Charleston (Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina) used to teach catechism to the slaves through these spirituals as many of them could not read and Catholicism was looked down (at best) by most of the protestant masters of the area. The spirituals were the way the Catholic slaves to practice and preserve their faith in secret.
 
Restore the old offertory prayers.
Remove all other Eucharistic Prayers except the Roman Canon.
Restore the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar and the Last Gospel at least as options.
Fix the form of the Prayers of the Faithful in the Mass Ordinary. No more free compositions.
Mandate the Introit, Offertory and Communion. Not optional.
Abolish the people’s sign of peace conpletely. Not even an option.
 
Satanist can just as easily spit out the Eucharist. That argument is invalid.

We are called to pray. We pray the prayers of the faithful. It’s a problem for you the Mass is too long?

You have the problem yourself. Are you in such a hurry to escape Jesus in the Mass.
 
Are you are in such a hurry to escape Jesus in the Mass too
 
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I always feel sorry for the priest holding up the cup during the Great Amen when the Amen singing seems to go on forever. For the older priests it’s just torture.
Either not require the priest hold it up or not let the choir sing a loooong Amen.
 
Can’t there be like a healthy medium? Like just translate the Latin mass into English and then do it as orientem but make sure we have two readings before the gospel?
 
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I would not have us sing as many parts as we do now. Masses used to move along faster before we started singing all the responses.
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For this comment alone i will also say all Masses should be sung. Inclusing the prayers, readings, preface, Roman Canon and Lord’s Prayer. Further all Introits should have a full Psalm and not just a verse.

There should be no rush to finish the Mass. this should teach em.
 
Excuse me? That’s not what I’m saying at all. I am not in a hurry for Mass to end, I simply think that the Collect suffices for prayers of the faithful and that parish announcements are distracting and unnecessary.
 
Yeah I feel that the OF could’ve been more solid if the Church had simply translated the EF into the vernacular and consolidated some of the prayers but not the Eucharistic prayers. Although I wouldn’t remove mysterium fidei or St Joseph from the canon. Don’t get me wrong, the OF us as valid as the EF. But if it was kept more similar to the EF, it would probably be less subject to abuse.
 
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The Leonine prayers after Mass and Mass said ad orientem as the liturgical norm.
 
Agreed. I say the Leonine prayers to myself after the celebrant has left the sanctuary.
 
No I meant that I wouldn’t consolidate the Eucharistic prayers, and I would also keep them in Latin.
 
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