If you do Not believe that Blessed Mary is the Mother of God, than who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

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elvisman said:
**Doki **- would you care to respond to Post #356 where I laid all of this our for you?

I gave the Greek as well as the Aramaic for this verse, yet you persist with your comments as if though the evidence was *never *laid before you.
Please respond . . .
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Thanks.
 
benedictus2 said:
My question was when Elizabeth used the phrase “mother of my Lord”, was the word “Lord” referring to God or not?
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I doubt Elizabeth realized Jesus is God. Is there evidence Elizabeth worshiped Jesus, either while He was in the womb or after?
 
Cinette said:
*Dokimas! You are joking aren’t you? I mean are you saying that God has to go through this elaborate procedure to so something he can do in the blink of an eye? Huh? Come on!

This is getting ridiculous!🤷*
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I am not saying God has to do anything. I’m giving possibilities. One day it will be clear how God did it.
 
Cinette said:
*I have never heard anyone talk of God’s opinion!

According to the Oxford Dictionary one of the explanations for opinion is “judgement resting on grounds insufficient for complete demonstration; belief of something as probable or as seeming to one’s own mind to be true.”

God is all knowing - he does not hold an “opinion” - that is for us mortals.

See what I mean?
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So God’s opinion has NO limitations. It’s alway accurate and correct. His judgment rests on all the facts based on what IS. What’s in God’s Mind is True.
 
Nicea325 said:
Actually my friend,Mary did give birth to the 2nd person of the Trinity:Jesus who is God. Jesus is both 100% man and 100% divine,logically Mary is the ‘mother of’ God. One cannot say: Mary is only the mother of the human Jesus,but not His divinity. It is heresy to divide His two natures. I know this may be difficult to understand or comprehend,but at times it is the cause of many heresies.

God Bless my friend.
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That’s right the 2 natures both human and divine are united into one person. because at the Incarnation Jesus who is God the 2ND person in the trinity became a man. He Emptied himself and became a little lower then the Angels. That is why he said the father is greater then I. When he fulfilled the will of the father by his death and resurrection he said to the father now glorify me with the glory i had with you in the begining. At the Ascension Jesus went up to heaven with his human body fully glorified.

So not only Jesus who is God was Born into this world and Mary is his mother. Jesus who is God also suffered and died and descended into hades.
 
shaky said:
That’s right the 2 natures both human and divine are united into one person. because at the Incarnation Jesus who is God the 2ND person in the trinity became a man. He Emptied himself and became a little lower then the Angels. That is why he said the father is greater then I. When he fulfilled the will of the father by his death and resurrection he said to the father now glorify me with the glory i had with you in the begining. At the Ascension Jesus went up to heaven with his human body fully glorified.

So not only Jesus who is God was Born into this world and Mary is his mother. Jesus who is God also suffered and died and descended into hades.
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This is very Catholic of you to proclaim, shaky! 👍
 
REMINDER

This Thread is NOT about who Mary is, **This thread IS about “Who you believe Jesus Christ IS”**if you Don’t believe that Mary is the Mother of God.

I’m still awaiting a response to this original question.

If I’ve missed the response, then please direct me to the post or posts I’ve over looked.

Thank you all in advanced for getting back to the topic of this thread.
 
Dokimas said:
I doubt Elizabeth realized Jesus is God. Is there evidence Elizabeth worshiped Jesus, either while He was in the womb or after?
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So, I guess Elizabeth was not filled with the Holy Spirit when Mary came. Notice how it was “mother of my Lord” and not “mother of my lord” in Scripture. How could she have known if she was NOT filled with the “Holy Spirit.”

The fact that she was Mary’s sister (or something like that) might be enough evidence. What do you think she did after finding out Mary’s Son was crucified? Do you really that just because the Bible does not mention it means that it did not happen? She certainly worshipped Him. Who cares if it is not in the Bible? Elizabeth’s own son in her womb leapt with joy. What other implications do you need?

Your doubt is not justified. Justify your doubt and then perhaps we have a reasonable discussion.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
REMINDER

This Thread is NOT about who Mary is, **This thread IS about “Who you believe Jesus Christ IS”**if you Don’t believe that Mary is the Mother of God.

I’m still awaiting a response to this original question.

If I’ve missed the response, then please direct me to the post or posts I’ve over looked.

Thank you all in advanced for getting back to the topic of this thread.
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Whoops… Sorry… I posted AFTER I saw this! I hope my post is in line. If not, then I am so sorry!
 
GreggAlvarez said:
Whoops… Sorry… I posted AFTER I saw this! I hope my post is in line. If not, then I am so sorry!
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Don’t worry about it.

In your time here, have you happen to have seen a post that is in response to the question of this thread? I really am interested to read responses.
 
*We have the Catholic answer. What is needed is the Protestant answer.

Since non-Catholics (most of them) do not believe that the Blessed Mother is the Mother of God, then who do they believe Jesus Christ is?
 
And the answer is…

If Christ isn’t fully Human also, what in the world is the apostle Paul referring to?
 
Dokimas said:
I doubt Elizabeth realized Jesus is God. Is there evidence Elizabeth worshiped Jesus, either while He was in the womb or after?
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You are sidestepping my question.

Here it is again. What do you think she meant when she said “mother of my Lord”? To whom do you think Elizabeth was referring to by the word “Lord”?
 
shaky said:
That’s right the 2 natures both human and divine are united into one person. because at the Incarnation Jesus who is God the 2ND person in the trinity became a man. He Emptied himself and became a little lower then the Angels. That is why he said the father is greater then I. When he fulfilled the will of the father by his death and resurrection he said to the father now glorify me with the glory i had with you in the begining. At the Ascension Jesus went up to heaven with his human body fully glorified.

So not only Jesus who is God was Born into this world and Mary is his mother. Jesus who is God also suffered and died and descended into hades.
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Brilliant! 👍👍👍
 
Dokimas said:
So God’s opinion has NO limitations. It’s alway accurate and correct. His judgment rests on all the facts based on what IS. What’s in God’s Mind is True.
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But what you are presenting is not God’s opinion but your own which is purely human conjecture because you would not accept what is written in scripture.

Since we all believe in the Bible, then any conjecture should be supportable by Scripture.
 
benedictus2 said:
But what you are presenting is not God’s opinion but your own which is purely human conjecture because you would not accept what is written in scripture.

Since we all believe in the Bible, then any conjecture should be supportable by Scripture.
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There it is, and its fine to have a different opinion, and I certainly wouldn’t want to deter anyone from thinking out loud here to find the truth. Hey, its your thinking and your feelings. Nothing funny or foolish about it. Don’t let your anger, fustration, or other feelings hold you from finding the Truth though. You owe that to yourself. Confront your own thinking and challenge it.

If you can’t expose your actual thinking for what it is, or how you arrive at your theory, then put it under scrutiny? How can you ever know if its wrong or right? Your condemned to your own thinking!

Your theory has to be rooted in Scripture as Benedictus2, Cinette, Elvis, PRmerger and everyone else has been contantly suggesting on this thread.

Otherwise its opinion’s, boldly proclaimed, often well written, yet never confronted.

Its confront, “challenge”. then change. Not confront and change because ya said so.🤷 And that can only happen based in Scripture.

Like Miltons Lost Paradise, brilliant but flawed.

For example…Why would satan say…“If thou be the Son of God, command these stones be made bread”? I suggest to you that satan see’s the Humanity, what he doesn’t automatically see is the Divinity. “if thou be the Son of God”

Now In “Job” satan knows immediatley who God is. The conversation leaves no doubt.
 
benedictus2 said:
But what you are presenting is not God’s opinion but your own which is purely human conjecture because you would not accept what is written in scripture.

Since we all believe in the Bible, then any conjecture should be supportable by Scripture.
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I’m under the impression that the CC has teachings not in the Bible but have been passed down through sacred tradition and that the magisterium can speak doctrine that is not covered in the Bible. Am I wrong?
 
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