If you do Not believe that Blessed Mary is the Mother of God, than who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

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You are saying that God said Hi Words in Greek?
Any original manuscripts written in Greek and inspired by the Holy Spirit would be God saying His Words in Greek, would it not?

Now, could you answer my question?
 
Exactly. If it may refer to God, she could have meant God.
I disagree.
But it is not an answer. The Greek word mean the same thing – Lord. My question is what do you think Lord meant for Elizabeth.
That’s the best I can do. Sorry.
At least Rev Kevin actually came up with an answer rather than skirting the issue.
And I thanked him for it.
When you say “it may” then say “it does” not then you have to give a reason why after saying that it is possible that it means God you outright say that it does not. How can you be sure that it does not. What proof do you have that it does not.
I’m open to suggestions.
Yes He did but did the Holy Spirit inspire you to interpret Lord as Not God? How do you know for certain that “Lord” does not meant God when Elizabeth said it when a verse later Mary says the same word and means God?
Only God knows for sure.
I don’t think he did.
Then we disagree again.
 
First of all - I said WE - the Church. If you’re not part of his Church - you’re *not *part of his Body.

Secondly - you are now contradicting your earlier claim that Jesus IS the Church. As the HEAD he is inseperable from the Church.

Lastly - James 2:19 tells us that even the demons are believers. Are you saying that THEY are part of the Church, Kevin?
You know exactly what I mean by believers, so lets not play this kind of game OK.

As far as the Jesus is the church, I’ll give you that.

But not being Catholic does not mean you are not a part of his body.
 
And what do you think people thought/believed Jesus would be? I’ll tell you. A POLITICAL LEADER. So its very possible that is what Elizabeth thought/believed also.
This is a curious comment, kevin. Do you think the Holy Spirit inspires people to say the wrong thing? Has the HS ever done this in any other passages of Scripture? :confused:
 
First off I think people need to reflect back on the Almond. The shape to which Christ is so often seen in.
flickr.com/photos/sacred_geometry/4160529395/
flickr.com/photos/sacred_geometry/3830312615/

We we take into consideration Sacred Geometry, more importantly the Star Mother.
flickr.com/photos/sacred_geometry/5388325261/

The universe is nothing more than womb. The cycle of creation is not only projected though energy and mass, elements created through musical tones and shapes as so proved in the Book Occult Chemistry by C.W.Leedbeater. Without these thing we wouldn’t have ornate churches nor a foundation on which to write about God. And the whole concept of people being Pagan due to the fact that their churchs were simple square and circle wouldn’t caused mass killings.

As for who Jesus was I will always believe he was Horus.
 
Regardless the title of the thread is…If you do Not believe that Blessed Mary is the Mother of God, than who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

Thats clearly been established in Luke. Mary is the Mother of God, Just as Gabriel states from God.

“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called Son of God.”

So since one choose’s not to believe this, who in your opinion is Jesus Christ?
 
First off I think people need to reflect back on the Almond. The shape to which Christ is so often seen in.
flickr.com/photos/sacred_geometry/4160529395/
flickr.com/photos/sacred_geometry/3830312615/

We we take into consideration Sacred Geometry, more importantly the Star Mother.
flickr.com/photos/sacred_geometry/5388325261/

The universe is nothing more than womb. The cycle of creation is not only projected though energy and mass, elements created through musical tones and shapes as so proved in the Book Occult Chemistry by C.W.Leedbeater. Without these thing we wouldn’t have ornate churches nor a foundation on which to write about God. And the whole concept of people being Pagan due to the fact that their churchs were simple square and circle wouldn’t caused mass killings.

As for who Jesus was I will always believe he was Horus.
And then theres the Bible the Best Selling Book in “History”.

When we take into consideration that science can’t solve gravity yet, it seem pretty insignificant to God. Science can solve Dark Matter vs Dark Energy either. Seems the more science knows the more it realizes just how little it does knows.

Does it explain mans purpose in the universe yet? Still silent there to eh?

When Gravity is solved come back and we shall discuss this further. :rolleyes:
 
The question is did Elizabeth know that.
As Scripture does not say, anything you’re proposing about whether she did or didn’t is a man-made tradition, eh?

And why is it relevant what* Elizabeth *believed or understood?

As you stated, the Scriptures quite clearly say that Mary was the Mother of God.

Nothing more needs to be said. 🎉
 
Still doesn’t change the fact that even the hebrew Alphabet was based on Sacred geometry. meru.org

The serpent in the garden is no differnt than that of the firmament in heaven. The entire book is based on metaphores created by alchemy and sacred geometry. Not to mention numerology and other areas of science.

As far as gravity is concerned Dan Winter has stated the DNA creates it’s own gravity. Not to mention everyone seems to ignore that everythnig in the universe has a magnetic mineral in it of some sort. No matter how slight. What you call gravity I call magnetism and electromagnetics.
 
Still doesn’t change the fact that even the hebrew Alphabet was based on Sacred geometry. meru.org

The serpent in the garden is no differnt than that of the firmament in heaven. The entire book is based on metaphores created by alchemy and sacred geometry. Not to mention numerology and other areas of science.

As far as gravity is concerned Dan Winter has stated the DNA creates it’s own gravity. Not to mention everyone seems to ignore that everythnig in the universe has a magnetic mineral in it of some sort. No matter how slight. What you call gravity I call magnetism and electromagnetics.
A whole overflowing bucket of hogwash.
 
As Scripture does not say, anything you’re proposing about whether she did or didn’t is a man-made tradition, eh?

And why is it relevant what* Elizabeth *believed or understood?

As you stated, the Scriptures quite clearly say that Mary was the Mother of God.

Nothing more needs to be said. 🎉
OOOOOOO…I guess playing Devil’s Advocate is fun for some people. The question was answered way back but why spoil a fun game eh?
🤷
 
You know exactly what I mean by believers, so lets not play this kind of game OK.

As far as the Jesus is the church, I’ll give you that.

But not being Catholic does not mean you are not a part of his body.
Can you point me to the Biblical passage that you can reject his Church and remain part of his Body?**

**Can you also either admit that you have contradicted yourself about Jesus alone being the Church, instead of Jesus and US?

As for “believers” - I honestly don***'t* know what you’re talking about. I don’t know that a true* “believer*” can pick and choose what he wants to believe about Jesus while discarding the rest.**
 
Can you point me to the Biblical passage that you can* reject* his Church and remain part of his Body?

Can you also either admit that you have contradicted yourself about Jesus alone being the Church, *instead *of Jesus and US?

As for “believers” - I honestly don***'t*** know what you’re talking about. I don’t know that a true* “believer*” can pick and choose what he wants to believe about Jesus while discarding the rest.
Not rejecting his church. Jesus is the head of the church and believers(and you know what I mean by believers)are his church. (this also answere you second part here)

I didn’t say I discard what Jesus is saying, I am saying I don’t believe in everything the CC teaches.
 
Not rejecting his church. Jesus is the head of the church and believers(and you know what I mean by believers)are his church. (this also answere you second part here)

I didn’t say I discard what Jesus is saying, I am saying I don’t believe in everything the CC teaches.
You can continue to play this silly game where you claim one thing, then claim something totally different without admitting self-contradiction, Just realize that you have been exposed.

In one post – you claim that Jesus himself is the Church. Now you are saying that the Church is made up of all believers.
Here is YOUR post (#690) that I first responded to:**
“I’m sorry but as I have said time and time again on the CAF that I don’t believe Jesus started the CC. Scritpure says that Christ is the Church. It never says that he started any kind of Church. If I’m wrong please show me where he started a Church. I believe in his Word and in his instruction but not the way the CC see it.”

***I proved you wrong by ***showing you Matt. 16:18, Eph. 1:22-23 and Eph. 5:23.
Bottom line: Jesus DID
start a Church. Whereas, ALL Protestants are related to that Body - as are ALL offshoots (or offshoots of offshoots of offshoots …) of the historic Christian Church – they are outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church.
 
Given that I’m not a Catholic and, even when I was a Christian, I never was much of a trinitarian, I can’t really make any faith-based statements regarding Mary. My common sense tells me that she’s the wife of Joseph and the mother of Jesus- points that I share in common with Christians.

As for being the queen of heaven, well… So were Isis and Juno.
 
Given that I’m not a Catholic and, even when I was a Christian, I never was much of a trinitarian, I can’t really make any faith-based statements regarding Mary. My common sense tells me that she’s the wife of Joseph and the mother of Jesus- points that I share in common with Christians.

As for being the queen of heaven, well… So were Isis and Juno.
Do you believe Isis and Juno were real? They were really goddesses with special powers? Do you believe there was a person who could seduce a man by changing into a cuckoo? :hmmm:
 
I was curious how is following the paths of other men proof that you are Gods people? Do you not trust the path you were given? Do you not trust it so much that you would ignore the path that was given and follow those who use the word of other men to persuade your intellect? How can that be any better than slave. It is said that isolation breeds wisdom. Odd considering you are great in number.

I find it odd how out of all the stories of crucifixion and resurrection you claim that Jesus alone is the only divine one. How many times was Set reported to have Killed Osiris?
 
I was curious how is following the paths of other men proof that you are Gods people?
This is not Catholic teaching Roman. No Catholic ought to profess that “following the paths of other men is proof that we are God’s people”.

Proof we are God’s people is found in baptism.
 
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