If you do Not believe that Blessed Mary is the Mother of God, than who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

[skmorrison6]

I am surprised how little the Holy Scriptures are referred to in these blogs.

When Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees he would often ask them questions, of course he knew the answers but wanted to test their foundations.

Many of you can see that if you say Mary was a sinner then this would of course weaken the position of Mary being the mother of God. For how can God be asscosited with Sin?

So I understand why you would believe she was restrained in some way concerning sin.

In Romans the Apostle Paul needed to establish the true nature of man so he taught

**Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: "Romans 5:12 (King James Version)**The wages of sin is death hence Christ was raised because no guile or sin was found in him, the grave could not hold Jesus because he didn’t earn the wages of sin. It wasn’t right that he should remain in the grave unlike those who have earn death. So His Father raised him to glory as promised.

However PRmerger you rightly say, doesn’t Jesus also fit into this group of sinners? And yes he does, because Paul is teaching about the nature of man, and his propensity to sin. He is saying that YOU & I have inherited a nature from Adam which is able to sin. Of course Jesus inherited the exact same nature as YOU and I. So in the context of Romans 5 referring to “nature” yes Jesus did have the same flesh and blood nature…BUT he did no sin…BUT…

Jesus became sin for us. How you ask?

Read 1 Corinthians 5

18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

namely, that **God was in Christ ** reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

We can be reconciled!!! from our weak nature.

20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

**21He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the (U)righteousness of God in him (Jesus). **

So all men and women from the time of Adam to now have sinned becuase of thier human nature,except for Jesus Christ (although condemned with a nature like ours).

Mary is and was a humble servant, an handmaiden of the Lord God Almighty; actually it infers she was a chosen vessel to carry the only begotten of the Father, but nothing more. She is called blessed becasue of the great things God did unto Mary NOT becasue of who she was. (Very important)

If you read the Gospels you will find Mary had one of the toughest trials of all…She had to turn away from her natural parentage and accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and not the son of Mary. In other words Mary like all others had to come to Jesus and be made his disciple, yes like Elizabeth who bore John the Baptist and like all those humble in heart waiting for their messiah.

But of course while you believe the God was NOT in Christ reconciling the word but ACTUALLY Christ (God = Jesus) you are forced into believing the false teaching of Mary worship.

 

[PRmerger]

I am surprised how little the Holy Scriptures are referred to in these blogs.

When Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees he would often ask them questions, of course he knew the answers but wanted to test their foundations.

Many of you can see that if you say Mary was a sinner then this would of course weaken the position of Mary being the mother of God. For how can God be asscosited with Sin?

So I understand why you would believe she was restrained in some way concerning sin.

In Romans the Apostle Paul needed to establish the true nature of man so he taught

**Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: "Romans 5:12 (King James Version)**The wages of sin is death hence Christ was raised because no guile or sin was found in him, the grave could not hold Jesus because he didn’t earn the wages of sin. It wasn’t right that he should remain in the grave unlike those who have earn death. So His Father raised him to glory as promised.

However PRmerger you rightly say, doesn’t Jesus also fit into this group of sinners? And yes he does, because Paul is teaching about the nature of man, and his propensity to sin. He is saying that YOU & I have inherited a nature from Adam which is able to sin. Of course Jesus inherited the exact same nature as YOU and I. So in the context of Romans 5 referring to “nature” yes Jesus did have the same flesh and blood nature…BUT he did no sin…BUT…

Jesus became sin for us. How you ask?

Read 1 Corinthians 5

18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

namely, that **God was in Christ ** reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

We can be reconciled!!! from our weak nature.

20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

21He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the (U)righteousness of God in him (Jesus).

So all men and women from the time of Adam to now have sinned becuase of thier human nature,except for Jesus Christ (although condemned with a nature like ours).

Mary is and was a humble servant, an handmaiden of the Lord God Almighty; actually it infers she was a chosen vessel to carry the only begotten of the Father, but nothing more. She is called blessed becasue of the great things God did unto Mary NOT becasue of who she was. (Very important)

If you read the Gospels you will find Mary had one of the toughest trials of all…She had to turn away from her natural parentage and accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and not the son of Mary. In other words Mary like all others had to come to Jesus and be made his disciple, yes like Elizabeth who bore John the Baptist and like all those humble in heart waiting for their messiah.

But of course while you believe the God was NOT in Christ reconciling the word but ACTUALLY Christ (God = Jesus) you are forced into believing the false teaching of Mary worship.

Yet there’s not a single verse that says Mary sinned!

And if you proclaim she sinned, what sin did she commit?

Please cite the book/chapter/verse.

 

[skmorrison6]

Jesus family here wants to take Jesus home because they (including Mary) thought Jesus had gone mad.

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 ** Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:48-52 **

Do you thing Mary was doing the Father’s will?

In other words Jesus was rebuking his direct natural family saying they at this present time are not my Mother, brothers etc etc.

I think if you read your Bible with care you will se this was a strong rebuke to Mary…who became too easily influence by Jesus’ half brothers.

If you have a different understanding I would very much like to hear.

 

[skmorrison6]

Also by inference Jesus was saying Mary and brothers at this point in time you are not my DISCIPLES.

But by the wonderful mercies of the Father they eventually repented and loosed of the shackles of the law and became his disciples.

Mary at the foot of the cross
James went on to be the leader of the Jerusalem ecclesia

and so on…

 

[adrift]

Also by inference Jesus was saying Mary and brothers at this point in time you are not my DISCIPLES.

But by the wonderful mercies of the Father they eventually repented and loosed of the shackles of the law and became his disciples.

Mary at the foot of the cross
James went on to be the leader of the Jerusalem ecclesia

and so on…

If Jesus rebukes His mother as you claim, than He sinned in not honoring His mother.

 

[skmorrison6]

Another incident of Mary being rebuked of the Master is found in John 2:4.

By the way you will notice Jesus NEVER refers directly to Mary as his mother…he always calls her WOMAN.

Again Jesus was distancing himself from his natural parentage because he manifested His Fathers will being the Son of God.

And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” (Jesus calls her woman in many other places but NEVER Mother)

You see it appears Joseph passed away fairly early in the Masters life and it became only natural that Mary would rely on Jesus to help around the home and to eventually work as a carpenter and support the family. Mary had seen the wedding was running out of wine and new Jesus could assist.

Clearly it wasn’t time for his crucifixion (as inferred by Christ) and Mary felt the rebuke (in love) from her son and while he did perform the miracle, Mary certainly felt she could no longer rely on him as she once did.

Their relationship became distant until closer to his death when she understood the son of man must be offered up.

PRmerger, I hope these little studies open your understanding to the life of Mary and her struggles to accept her Sons calling.

But if I had time to talk of her song in Luke 1…she was chosen by the Almighty God to bear His son and her song of praise is most beautiful and declares a very deep understating of Bible prophecy.

I also have written a study on the life of Mary which is available upon request.

SM

 

[adrift]

Another incident of Mary being rebuked of the Master is found in John 2:4.

By the way you will notice Jesus NEVER refers directly to Mary as his mother…he always calls her WOMAN.

Again Jesus was distancing himself from his natural parentage because he manifested His Fathers will being the Son of God.

And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” (Jesus calls her woman in many other places but NEVER Mother)

You see it appears Joseph passed away fairly early in the Masters life and it became only natural that Mary would rely on Jesus to help around the home and to eventually work as a carpenter and support the family. Mary had seen the wedding was running out of wine and new Jesus could assist.

Clearly it wasn’t time for his crucifixion (as inferred by Christ) and Mary felt the rebuke (in love) from her son and while he did perform the miracle, Mary certainly felt she could no longer rely on him as she once did.

Their relationship became distant until closer to his death when she understood the son of man must be offered up.

PRmerger, I hope these little studies open your understanding to the life of Mary and her struggles to accept her Sons calling.

But if I had time to talk of her song in Luke 1…she was chosen by the Almighty God to bear His son and her song of praise is most beautiful and declares a very deep understating of Bible prophecy.

I also have written a study on the life of Mary which is available upon request.

SM

Again Jesus would sin if He rebuked His mother. He did not. Jesus fulfilled all His duties as an only son. That is why He made sure that Mary was taken care of by entrusting her care to John.
You rightly state that Jesus called her woman. Note that Eve is referred to as woman. Mary became the new Eve. Jesus was affirming this. There is" no indication in Scripture that Mary did not understand who Jesus was. The Angel told her. Simon confirmed it. The last words we hear Mary say is Do what He(Jesus) says. Mary’s whole existence leads to her son. She was the perfect disciple. When Jesus spoke of those who did His will He was not saying that Mary didn’t. That is NOT what it says. You are reading that unfounded assumption into it.

 

[Cinette]

People who reject the True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist are not Catholics. Just like how people who reject the divinity of Jesus are not Christians. You can call a triangle a square, but it doesn’t make it so. The people you mention are not Catholics. They may not be closed-minded, but they are not Catholic.

*If it is true that half the Catholics in the US do not believe in transubstantiation then they are what we call “cafetaria Catholics” which makes then not Catholic at all.

Even if there were only one Catholic who believed in transubstantiation I would stand with them! The truth is everything and Catholicism is not a popularity contest.

*

 

[adrift]

*If it is true that half the Catholics in the US do not believe in transubstantiation then they are what we call “cafetaria Catholics” which makes then not Catholic at all.

Even if there were only one Catholic who believed in transubstantiation I would stand with them! The truth is everything and Catholicism is not a popularity contest.

*

 

[ClamDigger]

So are you saying that Mary never sinned? Not once?

Yes. Catholics do not believe Mary ever sinned.

 

[ClamDigger]

I am surprised how little the Holy Scriptures are referred to in these blogs.

I’ve invoked scripture several times in my posts, so I hope this wasn’t directed at me!

When Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees he would often ask them questions, of course he knew the answers but wanted to test their foundations.

Many of you can see that if you say Mary was a sinner then this would of course weaken the position of Mary being the mother of God. For how can God be asscosited with Sin?

So I understand why you would believe she was restrained in some way concerning sin.

In Romans the Apostle Paul needed to establish the true nature of man so he taught

**Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: "Romans 5:12 (King James Version)**The wages of sin is death hence Christ was raised because no guile or sin was found in him, the grave could not hold Jesus because he didn’t earn the wages of sin. It wasn’t right that he should remain in the grave unlike those who have earn death. So His Father raised him to glory as promised.

So… do children who die of SIDS “earn death”? And, if so, how have they “earned” death?

However PRmerger you rightly say, doesn’t Jesus also fit into this group of sinners? And yes he does, because Paul is teaching about the nature of man, and his propensity to sin. He is saying that YOU & I have inherited a nature from Adam which is able to sin. Of course Jesus inherited the exact same nature as YOU and I. So in the context of Romans 5 referring to “nature” yes Jesus did have the same flesh and blood nature…BUT he did no sin…BUT…

Jesus became sin for us. How you ask?

Read 1 Corinthians 5

18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that **God was in Christ ** reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

We can be reconciled!!! from our weak nature.

Yes. And Mary was reconciled by God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) at the moment of her conception by the special grace of God, before the rest of us.

20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Mary was an ambassador before anyone else. She became an ambassador at the Annunciation.

21He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the (U)righteousness of God in him (Jesus).

So all men and women from the time of Adam to now have sinned becuase of thier human nature,except for Jesus Christ (although condemned with a nature like ours).

And where is your proof for this? When have children who die in the womb or shortly after birth sinned? Where in the Bible does it say that Mary sinned? The children are obviously an exception to this rule. Christ is obviously an extremely obvious exception to this rule. So how do you know Mary was not also an extremely obvious exception at the time this passage was written? We know from Scripture that she was already “full of grace” before she conceived Jesus. We know from Scripture that “all generations will call [her] blessed.” However, nowhere in the Bible does it say that she sinned. Strange…

Mary is and was a humble servant, an handmaiden of the Lord God Almighty; actually it infers she was a chosen vessel to carry the only begotten of the Father, but nothing more. She is called blessed becasue of the great things God did unto Mary NOT becasue of who she was. (Very important)

She IS blessed by God and full of his grace. That is who she IS. Why do you draw a distinction between what was done for her by God and what she is because of what was done for her by God?

If you read the Gospels you will find Mary had one of the toughest trials of all…She had to turn away from her natural parentage and accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and not the son of Mary. In other words Mary like all others had to come to Jesus and be made his disciple, yes like Elizabeth who bore John the Baptist and like all those humble in heart waiting for their messiah.

What? When did she do this? Talk about unscriptural! When Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost she called Mary the MOTHER of the Lord. That makes the Lord Mary’s son. He IS the son of Mary just as he is the son of God.

But of course while you believe the God was NOT in Christ reconciling the word but ACTUALLY Christ (God = Jesus) you are forced into believing the false teaching of Mary worship.

You don’t believe that Jesus is divine? Oh. Well, this all makes sense now. I think this thread was more directed at people who believe that Jesus is God the Son, not people who deny his divinity. You could’ve just simply responded to the original question (“If Mary is not the Mother of God, then who is Jesus?”) by saying, “Well, Jesus isn’t God, so Mary isn’t the Mother of God.” It would’ve been much easier.

 

[ClamDigger]

Also by inference Jesus was saying Mary and brothers at this point in time you are not my DISCIPLES.

WHAT?! When did he infer that at all?! He was simply saying that his disciples are just as close to him as his family! I’ve never heard anyone, even a Protestant, deny that Mary was and is always Jesus’ disciple first and foremost!

 

[ClamDigger]

Jesus family here wants to take Jesus home because they (including Mary) thought Jesus had gone mad.

Oh, because worrying about your family is a sin, right?

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 ** Pointing to his disciples, he said**, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:48-52

Do you thing Mary was doing the Father’s will?

She didn’t do anything! This is actually a great passage to show how God prevented her from not doing his will! Thank you for pointing it out to me!

In other words Jesus was rebuking his direct natural family saying they at this present time are not my Mother, brothers etc etc.

He didn’t say she is not his mother. He said his disciples were also family to him. You are putting words in Christ’s mouth.

I think if you read your Bible with care you will se this was a strong rebuke to Mary…who became too easily influence by Jesus’ half brothers.

They are not the sons of Mary (half-brothers). They are close relatives who were termed “brothers” in Aramaic and Hebrew, which Jesus spoke. When his words were translated into Greek by the Evangelists, they translated the word as “brother”.

If you have a different understanding I would very much like to hear.

Au contraire, mon amis, you are the one who seems to have trouble understanding the words!

 

[ClamDigger]

Another incident of Mary being rebuked of the Master is found in John 2:4.

By the way you will notice Jesus NEVER refers directly to Mary as his mother…he always calls her WOMAN.

Again Jesus was distancing himself from his natural parentage because he manifested His Fathers will being the Son of God.

And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” (Jesus calls her woman in many other places but NEVER Mother)

“And you shall BEAR A SON and call his name JESUS…” I don’t know how much clearer it could be to you. Jesus is definitely Mary’s son! What kind of strange new Protestant are you that you now deny that Jesus is the son of Mary? I’ve never heard of this heresy before! So strange!
And, oh my goodness… I can’t believe you’re actually bringing up the whole “woman” thing. This is honestly beating a dead horse, as so many Protestants like to believe it was a sign of disrespect to Jesus’ mother. “Woman”, in the culture that Jesus lived in, was a term of utmost respect. I actually have cousins who’s mother prefers to be called by “ma’am”, not “mom”, because she thinks it’s more respectful. I don’t know if that’s common in the region she’s from but, one thing is for certain, she is still their mother despite her choice of title!
Oh, and the Holy Ghost calls Mary Jesus’ mother when he inspires Elizabeth to call her “mother of [the] Lord” in Luke 1.43. So, take it up with the God if you don’t like his choice of a mother for his Son.

You see it appears Joseph passed away fairly early in the Masters life and it became only natural that Mary would rely on Jesus to help around the home and to eventually work as a carpenter and support the family.

This has nothing to do with anything we are discussing, so I’m just gonna move right on forward to your next point!

Mary had seen the wedding was running out of wine and new Jesus could assist.

Clearly it wasn’t time for his crucifixion (as inferred by Christ) and Mary felt the rebuke (in love) from her son and while he did perform the miracle, Mary certainly felt she could no longer rely on him as she once did.

How do you get this from the passage? She relied on him to do what she asked even AFTER he said, “Mine hour is not yet come.” Hence the reason she told the servants to “do whatever he ask[ed] of [them].” That is what we know from Scripture! Your conjectures are merely your own strange thinking coming into play.

Their relationship became distant until closer to his death when she understood the son of man must be offered up.

I honestly have no idea where you are drawing these inferences from. Where in the Bible does it say Jesus and Mary didn’t have a close relationship until he died?

PRmerger, I hope these little studies open your understanding to the life of Mary and her struggles to accept her Sons calling.

I’m sure it doesn’t. I know it doesn’t for me because these “little studies” are merely your own heretical speculations with no basis in scripture or tradition… that is, any tradition… Catholic, Protestant, or otherwise.

 

[ClamDigger]

A few quick responses

** 1. I would need proof that the Baptists once sang a hymn asking Mary for her intercession**. Otherwise, I can’t believe it. Baptists would be one of the last group of Christians to do that.

I, too, would be interested in seeing this reference.

** 2. Nobody is attacking Mary, by the way. Mary is admired by all Christians - of course! ******

Would your mother feel attacked if she was told that she is not the mother of her children? I don’t know if you have children, but if you do, would you feel attacked if you were told you are not their parent? I would consider that an attack.
Roy5;7615478:
The issue is: has Mariology become too central in the theology and liturgy of the Church?

No, because it is an essential aspect of Christology. Just as the Annunciation is an essential and central part of the story of Christ.

Personally, I don’t find Biblical support for this veneration

“All generations shall call me blessed.” Next…

and such doctrines as the Immaculate Conception

She was “full of grace” before the conception of Jesus. How can a sinner be full of grace?

and the Assumption. I outlined in some detail my reasons in an earlier posting.

Elijah was assumed into heaven. Why is it so hard to believe that Mary was?

3. I didn't say anyone is arrogant or ignorant. I was simply responding to those who make such accusations against those of us who differ from them

… There are intellectual giants with differing views, and always have been. Many were declared heretics, such as Arius and Nestorius and many others. They were no dummies but lost in the vote at various councils.

And why did they “lose the vote” at those councils again? Oh yeah… because their views were contrary to Scripture…

Two of my favorite theologians are Reinhold Niebuhr and Paul Tillich, now deceased, both Protestants - one of Reformed background, the other of German Lutheran heritage. I read Our Sunday Visitor, Commonweal, America,* US* Catholic, plus our diocesan monthly plus Fr. McBrien’s column, etc. -

I don’t read any of these periodicals or even know of them, so I don’t really understand the reference. Sorry.

and there seems to be quite a bit of divergence within Catholicism.

Not about our dogmas! If you reject a dogma of the Church, you are no longer a member of it. Does “Let him be declared anathema!” ring a bell?

One of my favorite periodicals is the Christian Century, a superb Protestant weekly. There are plenty of brains beyond those of Catholics, whether dead or alive. Personally, in reading the Church Fathers, I found them brilliant for their era,

You do realize that they are a large part of the way we know that the traditions passed down to us are correct, don’t you? You know, the traditions that are mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:15?

but without a decent telescope and no microscope they believed a wide variety of nonsense about the universe, disease, and much else.

No one says they are correct in the area of natural science. However, they are generally correct in their interpretation of the Bible.

** 4. One weakness in Catholicism is that it is so firmly anchored in ancient times**.

That is because we, unlike you, have actually “held firm to the traditions that [the Apostles] passed on” to us. I would consider it more of a strength, really.

The fact that some ancient or medieval writers believed this and that is of interest, and to be considered, but not binding - as far as I’m concerned.

Great! Then the Bible must not be binding because it was written down by ancient people, right? It must just be another interesting artifact like the clay tablets of ancient Sumeria, right?

 

[ClamDigger]

Another sign of my arrogance, I assume.

A little bit, yeah! Assuming that you are able to know more about God than they do because you are more “modern”.

 5. As for Satan being behind some of this,

the Jehovah Witnesses are into that big time. And so are many Protestant evangelicals. I have chosen to believe that God is in command, and I am grateful for that. “The earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof” - and many dozens of other verses.

What? I don’t know what you are speaking of in this point, so I will not comment further on it.

** 6. True, Jesus said that he came not to bring peace but the sword. Matt. 10:34**. Then in Matt. 26:52 he warns that all they who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. Confusing, isn’t it?

Just like I said! I (and the rest of the Church) don’t turn the Gospel into a sword by proclaiming Christ’s divinity and Mary’s motherhood. People who deny these teachings turn it into a sword which they take up and cut themselves away from their Mother, the Church, outside of which there is no Life. So, you are right. Those who take up their sword of heresy do die by their own hand.

He also said: " Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God." So, which way should Christians bend? I say: toward peace whenever possible!

Being a peacemaker does NOT mean you should deny the truth! And the truth is that Jesus is God and Mary is his mother!

Sad what atrocities Christians have committed - Catholics, Protestants, and others - in the name of Christ!

And it’s absolutely awful! I’m not condoning it, I haven’t condoned it, and I honestly don’t understand why you keep bringing it up?

“Even the devil can quote scripture.”

As we know from Christ’s period in the desert…

No wonder there are so many denominations that hang their religion on their favorite passages.

Yep. But only one hangs their religion on the entire scripture and ancient tradition.

I must say, however, that I have enormous admiration for the peace churches - Quakers, Mennonites, etc.

I do as well, for their peaceful attitudes.

God bless everybody

, of every creed, color, culture and country.

Amen to that!

The church should be working toward reconciliation and mutual respect without continually insisting that Catholicism alone embraces the full truth. Think about it. This is an affront to those devoted to other faiths.

How is that an affront? I don’t feel “affronted” when Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews believe they have the whole truth. That is what they believe… I could really care less so long as they don’t actually try to inhibit me from practicing my own religion.

 

[Dokimas]

I do not see that Mary was ever rebuked.
Are you saying that Mary was not the mother of Jesus?

Jesus ‘rebuked’ her twice I can think of: once at the wedding (John 2) and the other time when He was twelve (Luke 2:42ff).

Jesus ignored her once too: Mark 3:31ff

I think looking at these verses without any presuppositions point to the ideas as I’ve mentioned them.

These don’t make her a sinner, but there’s others mentioned in the Bible that never got rebuked. Does that mean they were not sinners?

 

[Dokimas]

If Jesus rebukes His mother as you claim, than He sinned in not honoring His mother.

Jesus is God. His right is to set sinners right; even the one who birthed Him. Remember Mary is a created being by Jesus.

 

[skmorrison6]

I apologies in advance if I am not able to answer all your statements and questions. It appears clear that few have really looked deeply into the life of Mary.

You will know these words.

Simeon who was in the temple blessed Mary & Joseph with these words.

**Luke 2:34 Behold, this child (Jesus) is set for the falling and rising up of many in Israel; and for a sign which is spoken against;

The next statement is directed towards Mary only…

Luk 2:35 (yea and a sword shall pierce through thine (Mary) own soul) that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed.
**

Have you ever considered what the sword which would pierce Marys heart was?

Simeon’s words had their foundation in Isaiah 8
**
Isaiah 8:14 And he (Christ) shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Isa 8:15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. **

So both Luke 2 & Isaiah 8 speak of the coming of Jesus Christ as a stone people will stumble over.

The question is why?

And the answer goes right to the heart of this

 

[skmorrison6]

Cont…

Right to this question:

If you do Not believe that Blessed Mary is the Mother of God, than who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

Jesus is the Son of God. The Jews worshiped a single God. They worship Yahweh Elohim who is Mighty and all Powerful. The Jews even today cannot bring themselves to acknowledge God came down upon Earth and bore a child with Mary. Jesus Christ was Gods first real personal involvement with mankind and all Israel to this day stumble at this teaching Luke 2 & Isaiah 8.

Unfortunately you have taken the Son of God and made it God the Son which is not spoken of in the Holy Scriptures.

Jesus is the Son of God and the Son of Man who sits at the right hand of the Father. Of course after his ascension the fullness of the Godhead now dwells in him bodily, but he is Not God. In fact we are told Jesus will hand the Kingdom back to his Father. Jesus is subject to His father as my son is subject to me. God has no equal, God created Jesus Christ in the womb of a woman named Mary. A humble young woman who both had earthly parents, descendants of Judah and in line of King David.

So at this teaching…

Many in this blog have risen up to this child (Jesus), that your minds are risen to the occasion of Christ, sadly many have fallen and their thoughts out of their hearts will be revealed in that day.

Blessed be the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

God in that he had his beginning created and did not preexist
And Father in that He had a child with Mary a handmaiden (female slave) of the Lord

God and Father only.

SM