If you had faith the size of a mustard seed

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Hi, Bob!
…we keep missing each other…

Let’s see… a sheltered child never outgrows incompetence… that child is forever dependent upon the parent/s or guardian/s; it would take huge fortitude and immense determination for such a child to travel beyond the orbit on which he/she has been embedded.
RIght, God wants me dependent on him and him alone. He does not want us to be independent and able to live without him. He WANTS me “sheltered” and incompetent.

“Without me you can do nothing” is clear. Without God I am incompetent.
…oh yeah, then there’s that pesky Faith–if God were provide Believers all of their temporal needs, would there be a limit to what “Believers” would demand as “Providence” and would there be any real Faith in God?
The answer is “no” to a steady job, seriously, how can I trust him?
God’s dealing with us is quite similar–He cannot reward/benefit Believers on grounds of Faith, devotion, fervor, zealousness or reciprocity… to do so would render the Believers’ Faith, fidelity, loyalty, and Fellowship void. It is the argument presented to God by Satan in the book of Job: ‘…sure, give the man everything he wants and he’ll swear he Loves/Serves YOU!’ (paraphrased)
I’m more like "If you want friendship with me, how about actually being a friend? Stop asking me to pay to be your friend. "
Jesus would offer would cause Him, the Divine, to Serve (exist below) the creature.
So when Jesus said he came to serve, not to rule, that means what?
God understands that we are weak and needy–He Provides for us either through resources or strength.
If God understands, that is a big IF, then why does he never want me to have a steady job? Hello, I have a wife and kid to take care of, and my kid is special needs. Doesn’t he understand? Doesn’t he understand I wanted to have 10 kids but of course, that requires steady employment.
Give up your struggle against God.
The cross is mandatory. How can I give up something mandatory?
Renounce your acquired doubt and logic. Allow the Holy Spirit to Enlighten you and Guide you to the Fullness of God–start by re-reading our exchange… you would find, as I have, that you have a deeper intimacy with God than you give credence to;
Are you saying God is illogical? No. He is superlogical. Supernatural level logic.

I don’t have any intimacy with God, I have zero personal relationship with him. I only have a corporate relationship.
but you must accept that (as the old Borgs would say) “resistance is futile;” give everything to God–
I can’t give everything to God.

I am layman, not a monk.

I am a husband, not a celibate. I cannot take a vow of celibacy.

I am a father, not a man without responsibilities. The only father without responsibilities is God. I cannot take a vow of poverty.

This is why I think that I am a second class citizen in the kingdom of God (if I’m lucky to even get that high of a rank). I’m not a monk. I’m a married lay man who has a kid.
 
RIght, God wants me dependent on him and him alone. He does not want us to be independent and able to live without him. He WANTS me “sheltered” and incompetent.

“Without me you can do nothing” is clear. Without God I am incompetent.

The answer is “no” to a steady job, seriously, how can I trust him?

I’m more like "If you want friendship with me, how about actually being a friend? Stop asking me to pay to be your friend. "

So when Jesus said he came to serve, not to rule, that means what?

If God understands, that is a big IF, then why does he never want me to have a steady job? Hello, I have a wife and kid to take care of, and my kid is special needs. Doesn’t he understand? Doesn’t he understand I wanted to have 10 kids but of course, that requires steady employment.

The cross is mandatory. How can I give up something mandatory?

Are you saying God is illogical? No. He is superlogical. Supernatural level logic.

I don’t have any intimacy with God, I have zero personal relationship with him. I only have a corporate relationship.

I can’t give everything to God.

I am layman, not a monk.

I am a husband, not a celibate. I cannot take a vow of celibacy.

I am a father, not a man without responsibilities. The only father without responsibilities is God. I cannot take a vow of poverty.

This is why I think that I am a second class citizen in the kingdom of God (if I’m lucky to even get that high of a rank). I’m not a monk. I’m a married lay man who has a kid.
Hi, Bob!
…ever heard of “stock on…”

…well, we are.

No matter what I offer you you will spin it to mean what you want it to mean.

I cannot help you. I will only continue to fuel your derision of your relationship with God. So I will terminate my efforts.

If I cannot be useful to you I rather not be the means to enable you to continue on your chosen quest.

However, if you feel we are just missing each other (language and terms) and you want to continue the exchange… just holler!

May the Holy Spirit Guide you; my prayers are with you!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Bob!
…ever heard of “stock on…”

…well, we are.
Never heard of that.
No matter what I offer you you will spin it to mean what you want it to mean.
It is the other way around. I’m not understood. I’ve had my posts misinterpreted (by many).

Nothing I can do about that, but for me to try to communicate better.
 
never heard of that.

It is the other way around. I’m not understood. I’ve had my posts misinterpreted (by many).

Nothing i can do about that, but for me to try to communicate better.
Hi, Bob!
…sorry; I am the worst spell-checker ever… the term should have read “stuck on” but my mind raced to the “o” on “on” and since I did not reread (short post), I was not able to catch the typo.

…since we are missing each other (I say: “potato…”), if you don’t mind I would be willing to give it another go from post #61.

Let me know if this sounds good to you…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I would guess that nearly everybody on here has heard that passage at some point. I would also venture more so because it was part of the Gospel reading this past Sunday. I feel as though I’ve never understood this sentence, what He is trying to say there. Do we really have the power to do this that would go far beyond what we, as humans, can normally do, things that would seemingly go beyond the laws of the universe, if we had such faith as that? Or is He saying we really don’t have faith like that? Does God work as such? Where does faith really come from?
“faith the size of a mustard seed” is a complete mistranslation !

Matthew 17:19 *“Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?” He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from hence to yonder place,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you” *(Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition)

The demon did not obey the disciples because they did not have the faith of a mustard seed. The mustard seed knows that, even if it is the smallest, it is the greatest 🙂 Jesus knows he is the greatest when confronting the demon, the disciples do not. So it’s not size of faith but kind of faith.

 
“faith the size of a mustard seed” is a complete mistranslation !

Matthew 17:19 "Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?” He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from hence to yonder place,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you" (Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition)

The demon did not obey the disciples because they did not have the faith of a mustard seed. The mustard seed knows that, even if it is the smallest, it is the greatest 🙂 Jesus knows he is the greatest when confronting the demon, the disciples do not. So it’s not size of faith but kind of faith.

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Hi!
I concur–terminology does give it a different spin… the mustard seed holds, even in its diminutive state, the potential to be grand. (…though, your cat is only fooling itself! :p:p:p)

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Bob!
…sorry; I am the worst spell-checker ever… the term should have read “stuck on” but my mind raced to the “o” on “on” and since I did not reread (short post), I was not able to catch the typo.

…since we are missing each other (I say: “potato…”), if you don’t mind I would be willing to give it another go from post #61.

Let me know if this sounds good to you…

Maran atha!

Angel
OK, so how do I get around me being misinterpreted and how can I communicate better?
 
OK, so how do I get around me being misinterpreted and how can I communicate better?
Hi, Bob!
…I think that if you recall your posts you find that they are charged… when the issue is addressed you quickly return with the original argument–it is as though you are not allowing your system to digest anything that is presented… as though you’ve already have come to your final conclusion and are seeking the ears of those who would share your determined conclusion…

…as an example: I asked you to stop struggling with God–meaning that you must put away your determination to view Him in a duality (God is good and loves me vs. God must not be good because he fully ignores me)… you came back at me with a statement suggesting that I wanted you to give into hopelessness… I am Catholic that means that I cannot subscribe to the culture of death (not even in order to be supportive of those who do or to keep from “offending” the “sensibilities” of others)–how could I, in good conscience, counsel you to embrace hopelessness? It is a grave sin!

Perhaps if you slow down a bit. Engage each exchange with prayers. Dig deep into the issue/s… clarify things–sometimes what is perceived becomes more real than reality itself…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…as an example: I asked you to stop struggling with God–meaning that you must put away your determination to view Him in a duality
You didn’t word it like that, the “meaning” part came later in your post, very far later.

I thought the “struggling with God” meant the carrying of the cross which is my struggle.

The duality is required by my experience with God. Spiritual? Trustworthy. Temporal? Untrustworthy. Spiritual? Generous beyond any measure. Temporal? Stingy and begrudging. Why does God behave like this? I wish he were just as generous in the temporal sphere.
you came back at me with a statement suggesting that I wanted you to give into hopelessness…
I never said that. That’s where my words were misinterpreted.

I said that the cross is mandatory. If you interpret this as hopelessness, that’s not my message. I see it as futility, not hopelessness.
. Engage each exchange with prayers.
Prayers don’t work for me. They MAY work if I pray for others, but for me the answer lately has always been “no”. Steady job? No. Ability to get closer to God? No. And so on. Remember, pleasant things only happen to others. I’m under a curse.

If prayer were not a monologue, then maybe they would work for me. But God is away. Far away. At least away from me. His choice. His will. Not mine.
 
I can’t even atone for my own sins, much less the sins of others.
This is the Jubilee Year of Mercy. And it’s ending soon, on November 20th. Which reminds me, I should really go to Confession.

And as for atoning for sins, there’s a very simple Fatima prayer that I can recommend if you’re interested, to help make reparation for both your own sins and the sins of others:

“My God, I believe, I adore, I trust, and I love Thee. I beg pardon for all those who do not believe, do not adore, do not trust, and do not love Thee.”

There’s a longer Fatima reparation prayer too, reminiscent to the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, which is also a good one. And also a Fatima sacrifice prayer. If you’re not into Fatima, or the Divine Mercy Chaplet, there are other devotions you might prefer.
Exactly what I meant. The only thing guaranteed in this life is the cross. Nothing else.
Well, there’s death and taxes … oh, wait. :o
He seems to avoid working through the government, and employers, and government employers.
Or is it that the government, and employers, and government employers seem to avoid working with God, particularly these days?
I wish I could trust God in temporal things. I’ve been let down so many times in the temporal realm that I don’t even bother asking for help (in temporal things) anymore, clearly asking offends God so much he doesn’t bother answering yes. I pray for others and just leave it at that. My prayers for my own needs automatically get a no anyway.
Part of what you say sounds quite familiar to me. In fact, I posted a prayer request elsewhere this past year and asked if I was offending God with keeping on asking for something that’s been denied me over and over again … for that one, specific request, it may well be that God would prefer I not ask. That said, for other temporal blessings, I will persist in prayer, ask, seek, knock … and do my best to discern what the answer is, if I seem to get silence. Sometimes, the answer to a prayer can really take years, and then, the answer might appear on the horizon as just a baby step in the right direction, (at least at first) especially if the situation involves the wills of other people and your relationship with them.

And if God does say no to a prayer request, maybe He has another plan for you that you’re not seeing. I recently watched a clip on YouTube from the movie Blazing Saddles, where a group of men on horseback come upon a toll booth in the desert, and the one cowboy complains all upset that they can’t continue on their journey because nobody has a dime to pay the toll. The humorous thing is that all the men have to do is ride their horses to the left or right of the toll booth and go around it, because there’s plenty of wide open space on either side.
 
“My God, I believe, I adore, I trust, and I love Thee. I beg pardon for all those who do not believe, do not adore, do not trust, and do not love Thee.”
I can’t say that prayer truthfully, only one of the three I can do. The other two I’m doing partially.
Or is it that the government, and employers, and government employers seem to avoid working with God, particularly these days?
And I’m held temporally responsible by God for their sins.
Part of what you say sounds quite familiar to me. In fact, I posted a prayer request elsewhere this past year and asked if I was offending God with keeping on asking for something that’s been denied me over and over again … for that one, specific request, it may well be that God would prefer I not ask.
I feel the same way, that’s why I stopped asking. There is no way to change God’s mind, no way to change his will, game over.
And if God does say no to a prayer request, maybe He has another plan for you that you’re not seeing.
If he doesn’t tell me, I’ll never figure it out. I’m too stupid. He keeps his plan for me top secret and won’t share it with me.
I recently watched a clip on YouTube from the movie Blazing Saddles, where a group of men on horseback come upon a toll booth in the desert, and the one cowboy complains all upset that they can’t continue on their journey because nobody has a dime to pay the toll. The humorous thing is that all the men have to do is ride their horses to the left or right of the toll booth and go around it, because there’s plenty of wide open space on either side.
I saw that scene, it was funny.

I’m a small person, a tiny worthless speck of dust, approaching the same toll booth. I don’t have a dime and to get around the booth will take centuries because I’m so tiny. Even if I had a dime, I couldn’t reach up and put it in the toll basket anyway.

Game over.
 
Nonsense. There is no “Game Over,” unless you make it so.

And I’m a despairing suicidal person by nature, so when I say you are not thinking positive, believe me that you are not! 🙂

First of all, you have all the Scriptural warrant in the world for being persistent in your prayer. We just had that reading about the persistance of the widow woman and in getting justice from the unrighteous judge. “Fine, fine, I’ll give her what she wants, even though there’s no graft in it for me. And yeah, I don’t fear man or God. But if this goes on, she’s going to hit me!”

But although persistence is important, it doesn’t mean that God is going to give in and do whatever we want, or even what we have good human reason to think that we need.

A lot of the saints got “No” to their extremely good and well-meaning requests. St. Therese’s Aunt Elise got miraculously spared from her tuberculosis for many years, but TB took Therese young. Therese’s mom, St. Zelie, asked to be spared from death from breast cancer for her kids’ sake, and she went to Lourdes for it and only got more pain. But her kids ended up all becoming saintly people. Therese’s dad, St. Louis, prayed to be spared from dementia, and all his saintly kids prayed. But he offered it up for his daughters when he was not spared, and they felt that spiritual gift help them. (Eventually.) St. Therese dreamed of going to Vietnam as a missionary sister, and many nuns of her community did get to go. But she didn’t. She couldn’t even get spared annoyances among her sisters; she had to offer them up.

And yet St. Therese became a great saint and a great Doctor of the Church, and those members of her family who suffered most became the saintliest ones. In the end, St. Therese got more things done, and gained more power as a saint in Heaven, by not getting opportunities than by getting them. Sometimes that kind of life is like a magnifying glass – our light gets stronger for being narrowly focused.

But whatever happens, it is reasonable to understand that God knows more about the big picture of our lives than we do, and will help us based on that big picture of what will help us grow.

And that’s the point of Jesus’ parable about even sinful human fathers not giving their son a poisonous snake if the kid asks for an fish, or a scorpion if he asks for a tasty egg.

“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from Heaven give the good Spirit to those who ask Him?”

I’m not saying you can’t complain about the way God does and doesn’t answer your prayers. There’s a long sacred tradition of asking God, “What are You thinking?!” You might find some of those Psalms very helpful. You might also find some help in reading the Book of Job. You will find that, at the end, God strongly reprimands Job’s “friends” for their easy explanations and assumptions, while Job is rewarded in the end for asking questions while bearing his sufferings. Job’s questions are not answered except with God’s bigger questions, but things turn out.

But while you are being persistent and keeping your eyes open for your prayers being answered to your own liking, you also have to look around and do what comes to hand. Opportunity may be coming to you, even if it’s not a fun or obvious opportunity. (Job got the opportunity to educate his “friends.” They didn’t educate very well, but Job did his job anyway.) But it may be a very important job that is very fruitful. You never know until you start doing it and find out.

To pray is to ask. Sometimes God asks us to do things, allowing us to share His work and His joy.

It’s not fair to complain about Him not answering our prayers if we don’t answer His. 🙂
 
Nice post Mintaka. I am also disposed to various negative personality traits.
After much searching, I have come to the conclusion that the only way forward is to give ourselves to others, completely without reservation, as we are.

The only way to find healing is to go about healing others. I guess the starting point is to accept God’s love, and that will move us forward.

This is a great 8-part talk by Henri Nouwen on God’s love.
youtube.com/watch?v=SFWfYpd0F18
 

I’m a small person, a tiny worthless speck of dust, approaching the same toll booth. I don’t have a dime and to get around the booth will take centuries because I’m so tiny. Even if I had a dime, I couldn’t reach up and put it in the toll basket anyway.
Maybe you’ve found the key to life and don’t realize it.
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Be thankful for your smallness.
 
And no, God doesn’t “want us dependent.”

What we need to do is to recognize that we need God the same way that we need food, air, and water. We were designed to work that way, so why should it annoy us? We don’t sit there saying, “Oh, man, I hate how annoying it is to waste all that energy on breathing. The feel of oxygen in my blood is so gross.”

Breathing can get annoying and painful when I have respiratory illnesses, or sore muscles around my ribcage, and it can be a real liability if I find myself drowning. But the basic concept isn’t something horrible and degrading.

There are a lot of problems with singing. The trick is that you can’t sing effectively while inhaling or exhaling. Yet you have to keep well-oxygenated to be able to sing, and most of the muscles used for singing are involuntary muscles that you can’t consciously control. You can’t sing well if you aren’t relaxed. Yet long lines of relaxed music are exactly when your breath starts to run out in the middle, and you want to tense up or gasp for breath. It is hard and paradoxical, and no two people have exactly the same capabilities and voices.

And yet, as a singer, I find that breathing has a lot of nice perks and quirks.

A lot of the work of voice training is learning to think correctly about what you are doing, and to notice how your body feels when you are singing most productively. But your instrument can change any minute because of sickness or stuff in your environment, and you never can hear yourself exactly as other people hear you.

But if I only think about the problems and paradoxes and lack of control, I will never be able to sing. If I relax and do what I’ve learned to do, I will sound beautiful. It is easier to do it than to think about doing it, frankly. And in the end, you don’t rely on all the “breath control” stuff that you need when you are a beginning singer. You have a body that knows how to breathe in a way that’s helpful for singing, and you relax and let your body do the job.

Obviously it’s more difficult to trust my need for God than to trust my need for air, but any basic soul and body know all about how to exist within Him. They were made for it. It’s the part of me that has gotten bunged around by other people, and the part of me that likes to sin, that have a problem with Him. But just like with singing, I keep trying and doing it, and I think I’m getting better at it as I go. I may never be one of God’s great divas, but I can be a member of the choir who shows up on time. 🙂

But singing is still a mysterious thing that is not really under conscious control, performed in front of lots of other people. Yup, the uncertainty can make you crazy if you let it. But if you just keep doing it, come what may (and what may come is sometimes embarrassing or bizarre), you will be able to sing well most of the time.

So just as singers have to learn to relax when they are nervous, and to relax again when they long to physically push their voices up high or down low, you have the challenge to have faith and a positive attitude when you are feeling your worst and trusting your least.

It isn’t easy and it seems ridiculous, but it’s the way to get things done. And you can learn to do it by practice. Some days will be hard and some easy, and sometimes you will probably receive consolations that make you forget ever having to learn patience and trust. But it can be learned.

Also, if you are experiencing ordinary depression, find out about how to battle “Automatic Negative Thoughts” by fighting the lies your depressive brain feeds you, like all-or-nothing thinking or delusive “logic” that isn’t logical at all. There are a number of good books about this. They have helped me a lot.
 
I can’t say that prayer truthfully, only one of the three I can do. The other two I’m doing partially.
There’s always the prayer, “Lord, I believe, help my unbelief.” You do say that God blesses you spiritually, right? So you have some belief to start from, you’re not starting from zero belief?
And I’m held temporally responsible by God for their sins.
You are a victim of their sins, you’re not responsible for them.
I feel the same way, that’s why I stopped asking. There is no way to change God’s mind, no way to change his will, game over.
Now here’s the thing … in my case, what if what I was asking for was selfish? Or what if it would not result in the best outcome for my life? What if it would bring harm instead of the happiness I was looking for? There’s the saying, “Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.” So it seems it’s up to me to find out what God wants for me instead, because He has a better plan.
If he doesn’t tell me, I’ll never figure it out. I’m too stupid. He keeps his plan for me top secret and won’t share it with me.
Guess what? I can definitely relate when you say, “If He doesn’t tell me, I’ll never figure it out. I’m too stupid.” That said, praying to know God’s Will for your life so you can honestly do it, is a prayer that you should continue praying.
I saw that scene, it was funny.

I’m a small person, a tiny worthless speck of dust, approaching the same toll booth. I don’t have a dime and to get around the booth will take centuries because I’m so tiny. Even if I had a dime, I couldn’t reach up and put it in the toll basket anyway.

Game over.
You’re a small person … but not worthless. You are infinitely precious to God. As for how long it will take you to get around or through the booth, who says? What you’re expected to do is your best (with the time you are given, as the Gandalf the Grey character from Lord of the Rings would say). You’re expected to stay in the game to hear at the end, “Well done, my good and faithful servant.”

 
Nice post Mintaka. I am also disposed to various negative personality traits.
After much searching, I have come to the conclusion that the only way forward is to give ourselves to others, completely without reservation, as we are.

The only way to find healing is to go about healing others. I guess the starting point is to accept God’s love, and that will move us forward.

This is a great 8-part talk by Henri Nouwen on God’s love.
youtube.com/watch?v=SFWfYpd0F18
Wow! 🙂

First off, I also love Mintaka’s post! :tiphat:

And secondly, this post bears repeating:

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"the only way forward is to give ourselves to others, completely without reservation, as we are.

The only way to find healing is to go about healing others. I guess the starting point is to accept God’s love, and that will move us forward."
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You have it Exactly, goout. 🙂 🙂



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Nice post Mintaka. I am also disposed to various negative personality traits.
After much searching, I have come to the conclusion that the only way forward is to give ourselves to others, completely without reservation, as we are.

The only way to find healing is to go about healing others. I guess the starting point is to accept God’s love, and that will move us forward.

This is a great 8-part talk by Henri Nouwen on God’s love.
youtube.com/watch?v=SFWfYpd0F18
“accept God’s love” reminds me of “remain in my love” (John 15:9)

His love keeps us alive, he died so that we may live.
 
The apostles received the Holy Spirit at the pentecost. After the pentecost the apostles did miraculous things and they had faith. Peter’s faith failed before the pentecost but he did miraculous things after. The Holy Spirit provided him with Fortitude among other things. Through the Holy Spirit we receive faith and gifts and before the pentecost there was no infusion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and as such they didn’t have real faith because the Holy Spirit had not come yet. So they literally didn’t have faith the size of a mustard seed. Thoughts on this as I am no theologian.
 
You didn’t word it like that, the “meaning” part came later in your post, very far later.

I thought the “struggling with God” meant the carrying of the cross which is my struggle.
Hi, Bob!
…ok… we have two issues: the cross and carrying the cross.

The cross meets all (believers/non/rich/poor/educated/idiots/healthy/sickly…); carrying the cross is Christ Command to Believers… remember the rich young man? Jesus told him to give up his cross and to take on Christ’s… the young man refused to carry the cross.

Our cross is not just our life’s circumstance but Following Christ–this means that we must give up our cross to Christ and take on His Cross. You, my friend, are fully aware of your responsibility as a Christian to take on the Cross but you live a duality (‘this is my cross, I will not let this go…’); because you do not give you’re all to God (both the good and the bad; the joy and the sorrow; the hopes, desires, abilities, disabilities… and yes, even the failures!); rather you poise yourself on that familiar post (as in pedestal) where you place God in a duopoly where the “good” God showers you with spiritual gifts while the “apathetic” God could care less for your misfortunes… this duality is so prevalent in you (heart, mind, body) that you have even constructed a domain where, according to you, God is the CEO and you the lowest of the lowly employees… so of course, no way in hell would you be allowed to breath the same air as the CEO!

What I am trying to tell you is that we are poor swimmers who constantly go under and Jesus is the Lifeguard Who is constantly there Breathing for us and into us: WE MUST GIVE EVERYTHING TO GOD–even our confusion, our doubt, our finite comprehension, our pain, our sorrow, our abilities and inabilities, our desperation, our thirst, our hunger, our dreams, our expectation, …and specially our failure. This is how we embrace Jesus’ Cross:
28 Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you. 29 Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. 30 For my yoke is sweet and my burden light. (St. Matthew 11:28-30)
Our cross is ours to bear but not to bear alone!
The duality is required by my experience with God. Spiritual? Trustworthy. Temporal? Untrustworthy. Spiritual? Generous beyond any measure. Temporal? Stingy and begrudging. Why does God behave like this? I wish he were just as generous in the temporal sphere.
But that distinction is made by you not by God. God does not see man as only spiritual and only human. God sees both the heart (physical organ) and the intent of the heart (the spiritual component) as a whole.

Look at the Apostles, if ever there were Followers that should have had everything good come to them must have been Jesus Disciples–what do we know about the very first martyr? He was young. He was steadfast in his Faith. He was determine to Stand for Christ. He welcomed his cross. He offered his cross to Christ. He emulated Christ even at the point of his death.

Stephan’s courage and strength did not emanate from his human abilities and convictions–they came from Christ–Stephan’s Trust in Christ, to be precise.
I never said that. That’s where my words were misinterpreted.
I said that the cross is mandatory. If you interpret this as hopelessness, that’s not my message. I see it as futility, not hopelessness.
…I’m partial to blame for the misunderstandings–I tend to answer a point while recalling the whole of a post/thought/construct… for instance: this portion of your post, in my mind, is fully tied to the proceeding portion which I excluded from this quote…

Bob, it is this “futility” that we must surrender to Christ! There comes a moment (sometimes many many moments of futility–that feeling of inadequacy and impotency [no nothing sexual here]) when Life (as in existence—not as an euphemism for God) seems to kick us to the ground and summarily stomp on us over and over again… we can embrace it as our cross and distance ourselves from God or we can embrace it as our cross to bear for Jesus (when we bear our cross for Jesus, Jesus is exalted in us and the Father is exalted in the Son–all through the Holy Spirit); when the latter happens we are able to find God’s Mercy actively working in us and for us; Providence does not have to be revealed in wealth, health, and superhuman strength… as St. Paul learned: ‘in your weakness is when I am strong.’ (paraphrased)
Prayers don’t work for me. They MAY work if I pray for others, but for me the answer lately has always been “no”. Steady job? No. Ability to get closer to God? No. And so on. Remember, pleasant things only happen to others. I’m under a curse.
If prayer were not a monologue, then maybe they would work for me. But God is away. Far away. At least away from me. His choice. His will. Not mine.
…you’re quantifying and qualifying God… it is your determination that God is against you… but here’s what St. Paul tells us:
33 Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that shall condemn? Christ Jesus that died, yea that is risen also again; who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword? 36 (As it is written: For thy sake we are put to death all the day long. We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.) 37 But in all these things we overcome, because of him that hath loved us.
(Romans 8:33-39)
Maran atha!

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