If you had faith the size of a mustard seed

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The apostles received the Holy Spirit at the pentecost. After the pentecost the apostles did miraculous things and they had faith. Peter’s faith failed before the pentecost but he did miraculous things after. The Holy Spirit provided him with Fortitude among other things. Through the Holy Spirit we receive faith and gifts and before the pentecost there was no infusion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and as such they didn’t have real faith because the Holy Spirit had not come yet. So they literally didn’t have faith the size of a mustard seed. Thoughts on this as I am no theologian.
Hi!
…well they did have real Faith–they lacked understanding and trust… Jesus Founded the Church on Cephas (there must have been some sort of Blessing as He Delegated His Authority and Gave Cephas the Keys to the Kingdom); then there’s the final encounter before Pentecost–Jesus Breathed on the Eleven and Delegated His Authority on them Giving them the Holy Spirit (this Coming of the Holy Spirit was specifically for the Church only).

Also, let’s not forget Jesus Command to Peter to gather and strengthen the others once they would return to Him–Peter would have had to have help from the Holy Spirit in order to strengthen his own Faith and that of the others as they awaited for Pentecost.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Nonsense. There is no “Game Over,” unless you make it so.
I did not choose to lose my job.
I did not choose to have evil befall me and be unprotected.
I did not choose to never be able to have a steady employment.
I did not choose this horrific job market.
First of all, you have all the Scriptural warrant in the world for being persistent in your prayer. We just had that reading about the persistance of the widow woman and in getting justice from the unrighteous judge. “Fine, fine, I’ll give her what she wants, even though there’s no graft in it for me. And yeah, I don’t fear man or God. But if this goes on, she’s going to hit me!”
This is about getting justice, not temporal needs.

But let’s say those verses say what they say you say.

Imagine a father who has a son asking him for food. The father demands the kid ask him 500 times before he feeds him.

Or a father that plays “keep away” with the kid by keeping away things the son needs because he didn’t ask enough times.

This is not the actions of a loving father. Thus, I cannot accept your interpretation.
it doesn’t mean that God is going to give in and do whatever we want, or even what we have good human reason to think that we need.
I’m closer to the need than God is. I don’t ask for evil things. I just want to have a decent paying career.
A lot of the saints got “No” to their extremely good and well-meaning requests.
Precisely. God never promised he would provide for our temporal needs. If he does (and he does sometimes to some people) - it is not a guaranteed thing nor an obligation on his part.
But whatever happens, it is reasonable to understand that God knows more about the big picture of our lives than we do, and will help us based on that big picture of what will help us grow.
And if he doesn’t tell us, how are we supposed to know?
And that’s the point of Jesus’ parable about even sinful human fathers not giving their son a poisonous snake if the kid asks for an fish, or a scorpion if he asks for a tasty egg.
“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from Heaven give the good Spirit to those who ask Him?”
Another verse that is misinterpreted.

Look at the end of that: Father from Heaven give the good Spirit to those who ask Him

Pay attention to the red.

This is the gift of the Holy Spirit from the Father.

We get this great gift in the sacraments, all we have to do is ask. This is ONLY about spiritual things, not temporal things.
Job’s questions are not answered except with God’s bigger questions, but things turn out.
God actually talked to Job. Job actually had a personal relationship with God.

Both don’t apply to me. I only have a corporate relationship with God, and God doesn’t talk to me.
It’s not fair to complain about Him not answering our prayers if we don’t answer His. 🙂
And what is his prayer? To beg him non-stop for 18-30 years like St. Monica did?

I can’t go 18 years without a job. No. Not acceptable.
 
In the last few years, I have lost my job three times, after working at the same place for over a decade and never having anyone complain about my work. I haven’t been able to get a really well paying job or even a job in my field, because I am “overqualified,” too old, and a bunch of other things. I’ve temped, I’ve worked in call centers, I’ve made minimum wage most of the time. Currently I am working part-time in a fast food setting, just like when I was 16 and had no work experience.

Yes, it stinks. Yes, it left me feeling angry and fragile. But it isn’t anything that is particularly uncommon, and it’s not like God made us humans make bad decisions or have a lousy economy.

So I can sit there and stew, or I can try to make some kind of lemonade out of these lemons.

I’ve put out ebooks on Amazon. I’ve learned not to get too much of my self-image from my employment. I’ve worked hard on my temper and my pride. I’ve had bizarre health problems, but I’ve gotten through it. Heck, I’ve dropped a lot of poundage from running around like a maniac at work, and from lifting cases of food around.

Shrug. It is what it is. I could be in a concentration camp or raped by ISIS. Job loss and barely paying the rent is pretty bad, but it’s not the worst thing in the world. I have room to be happy, if I take each day for what it is. If I don’t try to smile, if I let myself get depressed, I will lose my job again and things will get worse. So why not try to smile?

Not being able to find a job at all is pretty rough. But I went without a job for nine months one year, and for eleven months another year. My younger brother’s been out of work for more than a year, and since he’s a tech guy working for government contractors on time-limited contracts, it’s not even the third or fourth time he’s been out of work for over a year. Is that easy for him? No. But it’s life.

Things are tough. I’m not saying they’re not. But when I was out of work, the sky was still blue, whether I was too depressed to look outside, or whether I went out and enjoyed it. My attitude could be under my control, even when nothing else was under my control at all. If I could take a moment and look at the good things, even if they were silly little things, I felt better. If I just thought about how bad things were, it was hard to do anything.

I hope you find a good job soon, and I will pray for you.
 
In the last few years, I have lost my job three times, after working at the same place for over a decade and never having anyone complain about my work. I haven’t been able to get a really well paying job or even a job in my field, because I am “overqualified,” too old, and a bunch of other things. I’ve temped, I’ve worked in call centers, I’ve made minimum wage most of the time. Currently I am working part-time in a fast food setting, just like when I was 16 and had no work experience.

Yes, it stinks. Yes, it left me feeling angry and fragile. But it isn’t anything that is particularly uncommon, and it’s not like God made us humans make bad decisions or have a lousy economy.

So I can sit there and stew, or I can try to make some kind of lemonade out of these lemons.

I’ve put out ebooks on Amazon. I’ve learned not to get too much of my self-image from my employment. I’ve worked hard on my temper and my pride. I’ve had bizarre health problems, but I’ve gotten through it. Heck, I’ve dropped a lot of poundage from running around like a maniac at work, and from lifting cases of food around.

Shrug. It is what it is. I could be in a concentration camp or raped by ISIS. Job loss and barely paying the rent is pretty bad, but it’s not the worst thing in the world. I have room to be happy, if I take each day for what it is. If I don’t try to smile, if I let myself get depressed, I will lose my job again and things will get worse. So why not try to smile?

Not being able to find a job at all is pretty rough. But I went without a job for nine months one year, and for eleven months another year. My younger brother’s been out of work for more than a year, and since he’s a tech guy working for government contractors on time-limited contracts, it’s not even the third or fourth time he’s been out of work for over a year. Is that easy for him? No. But it’s life.

Things are tough. I’m not saying they’re not. But when I was out of work, the sky was still blue, whether I was too depressed to look outside, or whether I went out and enjoyed it. My attitude could be under my control, even when nothing else was under my control at all. If I could take a moment and look at the good things, even if they were silly little things, I felt better. If I just thought about how bad things were, it was hard to do anything.

I hope you find a good job soon, and I will pray for you.
Hi, Mintaka!
…as I read through your post I began to feel a smile coming on… one of those sincere smiles you would see on the faces of the old as they met you on the streets… full of joy–the joy of sharing that moment in life with the person they would encounter on their way… we (society) have lost much of that… people are so self-involved that they do not take time to notice those little things (that plus society has lost respect and reason: attacking, condemning or rejecting the wise people among it because they are of an advanced age…).

Thank you for sharing!

:hug3::hug3::hug3:

Maran atha!

Angel
 
The “smallness” here may also mean humble.

A faith imbued with humility.

God bless.

Cathoholic
 
The apostles received the Holy Spirit at the pentecost. After the pentecost the apostles did miraculous things and they had faith. Peter’s faith failed before the pentecost but he did miraculous things after. The Holy Spirit provided him with Fortitude among other things. Through the Holy Spirit we receive faith and gifts and before the pentecost there was no infusion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and as such they didn’t have real faith because the Holy Spirit had not come yet. So they literally didn’t have faith the size of a mustard seed. Thoughts on this as I am no theologian.
I dont think Jesus meant size of faith but kind of faith.
 
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