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Lutheranteach
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I think those things happened and brought me the Lutheran Chruch
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Parascheva1014
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There are certain theological points I can’t accept. There are many but the strongest is the idea that God requires suffering for sins that are already repented of and forgiven through confession.
I became Orthodox instead. I don’t have a problem with anything the Orthodox Church teaches so it was a logical fit.
I became Orthodox instead. I don’t have a problem with anything the Orthodox Church teaches so it was a logical fit.
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PureHeart
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I dont see any evidence that Jesus is God. I was told by my priest that I was not Catholic. So I left and never spoke to him again. I still go to mass but at a different church.
I have done lots of book research, talked with lots of people ,and took many religion and testament classes as well as bible getaways. Nope. Dont believe it.
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Priscilla_Ann
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So, who do you believe Jesus is?
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Carlan
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Hello Pure Heart. Don’t give up yet, try the early Church Fathers. An easy one to read is the ,Four Witnesses by Rod Bennett. Even tho’ the word Trinity is not to be found in Scripture. The concept is throughout. God the Father,God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Three persons in one God. It is a mystery of the faith,we will understand all when we join the Trinity in heaven. Sorry about your experience with your Priest, perhaps discussing further in depth may have ended in a better understanding.God bless
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Carlan
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Hello Parascheva,
Perhaps this will help.
Sin has a double consequence, every sin grave(mortal, deadly) and even venial sin ]entails an unhealthy attachment to us which must be purified. Yes, we have been forgiven when we repent of our sin and are restored to communion with God, but temporal punishment remains, and we must strive to accept temporal punishment as a grace to do good and "Put off the ‘old man’ and put on the ‘new man’. This is how we come to achieve holiness.
This unhealthy attachment to sin is either purified in this life on earth or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called ‘temporal punishment’ of sin.
These two punishments must not be conceived of as any kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin.
This is very deep stuff which calls for pondering what you now believe and giving over to God for enlightenment.
Again, Temporal punishment due to sin whose guilt has already been paid for by Jesus, Catholics believe is a grace from God to help us become better Christians by purification so as to achieve the holiness neeeded to enter into the Joy of Heaven.
Beatitude: Happy the pure in heart they shall see God.
I know this is a very wordy explanation. Forgive that and I do hope it will give you a better understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches about what concerns you.
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allischalmers
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Bishop simply means pastor, eucharist simply means thankgiving meal. They are not exclusively catholic words. None of the early chruch fathers ever used the term 'real presence" regarding the eucharist. Two of them refered to the eucharist as a symbol and another called it an antitype.
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Carlan
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Priscilla_Ann
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Carlan:Allischalmeres. Wonder if you have ever pondered John: 6, 54-69?
I wonder if you have ever pondered John 6:35.
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Carlan
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yes , well some scholars today think of the bread in these verses 35-50 as primarily a figurative ref’ to the teaching of Jesus, but there is a second ref’ to the Eucharist. In v 55-58the Eucharistic theme. The break in the discourse is between v50and 51.Carlan
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Hisalone
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Actually it is verse 63 that Catholics cant explain away.
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higherednerd
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I consider Catholics to be fully Christian and respect their traditions because they have reasons for believing what they do. But I see no purpose or point to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, nor to the insistance that Mary and Joseph had a celebate marriage. I also don’t see a need to go into detail about my sins and bad thoughts to someone not involved or harmed thereby. I don’t see any need to withhold the wine from the laity. For Protestants (and those of the various Mormon persuasions) all believers are “saints.” I am not comfortable praying to anyone but the Father in the name of the Son. I don’t go around telling people not to be Catholic, however, and if one of my kids converted I’d be fine with it.
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Carlan
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Well,the way I understand that and expliain is away as you put it Hisalone,is that it is a not reference to the Eucharistic flesh of Jesus, but to the to the supernatural and natural, like Flesh begets flesh , Spirit begets spirit.
I think verse 63 and the two before it goes back to the themes of verses 35-50.
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cheese_sdc
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My list is similar - birth control, denial of sacraments in order to control people, gay rights, women priests, reiki, substitutionary atonement.
Plus I don’t really believe in the divinity of Jesus.
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MariaG
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In my case, ALL the Catholics who were raised Catholic, and I have met in real life while in the Protestant Churches did not understand the teachings of the Catholic Church and would proclaim things that the “church teaches” that are just false. All were “raised” Catholic and claimed to leave the Church once they heard the Real Gospel preached.
Here in these forums, I have met those whom I believe understand the teachings of the Catholic CHurch, but disagree with Her, usually when it comes to the “social teachings” of birth control and such and so left the Church because they could not conform their conscience in these issues. Sometimes I meet those who also have issues with the Church teachings on Mary, but more often than not, they also go on to say things like, Catholics teach worship of Mary, so I count those with those who do not truly understand the teachings of the Catholic Church.
I have also met many, many former Catholics here in these forums who said they left after so many number of years of education in Catholic schools etc, who are extremely ignorant of the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Not saying you are, I have not read anything you have posted on it:shrug:
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Hisalone
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And many, many like myself who know what you teach and just dont believe it. I left the Catholic Church because that is how God lead me.
I dont expect you to believe it but then I dont care if you do.
I will give you one small example. You claim you( not you personally but Catholics in general) dont worship saints or statues. Yet I have seen it with my own eyes. When I tell and even show pictures of what I have seen I am told but I dont know the heart of the individual.
That is boulderdash.
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Carlan
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In my case, ALL the Catholics who were raised Catholic, and I have met in real life while in the Protestant Churches did not understand the teachings of the Catholic Church and would proclaim things that the “church teaches” that are just false. All were “raised” Catholic and claimed to leave the Church once they heard the Real Gospel preached.
Here in these forums, I have met those whom I believe understand the teachings of the Catholic CHurch, but disagree with Her, usually when it comes to the “social teachings” of birth control and such and so left the Church because they could not conform their conscience in these issues. Sometimes I meet those who also have issues with the Church teachings on Mary, but more often than not, they also go on to say things like, Catholics teach worship of Mary, so I count those with those who do not truly understand the teachings of the Catholic Church.
I have also met many, many former Catholics here in these forums who said they left after so many number of years of education in Catholic schools etc, who are extremely ignorant of the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Not saying you are, I have not read anything you have posted on it:shrug:
I agree with your take on it Maria. Obedience to the moral the issues is a big one and it sad to see them move onto to those denominations that support divorce and birth control and they blame the Church, unable to take responsibility for their sin. Hopefully they will return to the whole truth as so many, in the past,have done.
As for the the Catholics who tell us of their complete education in Catholic schools, who leave and find salvation elsewhere, I believe in most cases their education can’t seem to find its way from the head into the heart which is where it really must end up. But then that is not only the experience of some Catholic Christians, but Protestant Christians also.
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Carlan
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Hisalone , I don’t think you can judge a person kneeling in prayer in front of a statue or crucifix to be worshiping wood or plaster. For heavens sake open the mind to common sense.:nope:Carlan
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MariaG
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Thank You
It all has to do with Christ. He could not stand to be encased in a body that was corrupted by original sin. As for Mary and Joseph, really interesting is the typology of Mary and the Ark of the New Covenant. The one most interesting for me is that a man was struck dead who accidently stumbled and fell against the Ark the carried the ten commandments, the word of God. Mary, carried the Word of God also, and so no man would “touch” her else be struck dead.
While you might not see the need, it was one of the first things Christ did when He rose from the dead, giving us the gift of Confession. (John 20:21-23).
It was done to combat heresy. You don’t see the need to combat heresy?
In this case it was the heresy that one needed to consume Christ under both species or one had only received part of Christ.
As are Catholic. Incidently, this is one the first “false teachings” that someone who was raised by the nuns and had years of Catholic teachings espoused to me while in the Protestant Churches. I can find it in the catechism later if you wish, but all are saints too in the Catholic Church.
Catholics are not either, as least not in the way you seem to be stating it. Catholics view “praying to the saints” just like asking a friend to pray for you. This has a lot to due with a language shift and the narrowed meaning of “to pray” in recent years and the antiquity of the Catholic Church.
I am glad, but I hope you can see that at least in one case, of saints, you did not acutually understand what the Catholic Church teaches. Or will when I or someone has time to post a link to the Catechism showing you
Your sister in Christ,
Maria
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