If you lose all your body parts can you still be alive?

[GEddie]

Dead bodies can’t remember a thing! …Memaw

Did he say that they could, or anything like that?

Of course they can’t. But you could still be breathing and have serious trouble remembering, because you NEED a mostly working head to know or remember anything. Reductio ad absurdum arguments don’t advance your point. ICXC NIKA

 

[Memaw]

Did he say that they could, or anything like that?

Of course they can’t. But you could still be breathing and have serious trouble remembering, because you NEED a mostly working head to know or remember anything. Reductio ad absurdum arguments don’t advance your point. ICXC NIKA

I was just pointing out that dead bodies have no memory, so where did their memory go???, if not with the soul??? God made us body & soul, the body is made of matter, the soul is spiritual and it is meant to work with and thru our body. IF the brain is injured or not functioning properly the soul cannot function thru it properly. But the soul itself is not injured. That’s Catholic teaching, is it clear enough? If not ask Catholic Answers Forum to help you. That’s what they are here for. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Doc_Keele]

Dead bodies can’t remember a thing! The only thing that can harm the soul is SIN, but it cannot destroy its eternity. It will live on either in Heaven or Hell. Hopefully in Heaven if it follows the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, Jesus Christ. God Bless, Memaw

OK, so you concede that the soul can be harmed or damaged.
Not sure what point you’re making by saying dead bodies can’t remember a thing?

 

[Memaw]

OK, so you concede that the soul can be harmed or damaged.
Not sure what point you’re making by saying dead bodies can’t remember a thing?

NO, I am NOT conceding that the soul can be harmed in the same way a body can. I am saying that the only thing that’s is harmful to the soul is SIN. By that I mean, serious sin that has not been repented of and forgiven by God, before death, remains with the soul into eternity and would be the cause of that soul’s suffering for eternity. Matt.25-41.
As I said before a couple times, the dead body can’t remember a thing, because when one dies the soul leaves the dead body and the memory goes with the soul into Eternity. God Bless, Memaw

 

[armalanon]

Well I think if they changed every bit of us giving us a heart ,brain an exchange of every part of us there is one that they can’t give us the breath of life that was given to us by GOD with all the rest we woke up ,we took life in this world and for the other by this breath and that’s one thing for xure that nobody can give us.

 

[headsmith]

Ray Kurzweil, in his book “The Singularity Is Near,” speculates that, if science continues to accelerate at its present rate, within twenty-five years immortality will be an option. All body parts can be progressively replaced with whatever works.

At that point, exercising that choice, to die or live on, demonstrates the essence of our humanity, volition. As long as volition is present, we are human. Volition is demonstrable in any organism that feels a need and behaves to seek meaning for its own existence.

Existence alone does not provide meaning. Meaning requires knowing from whence we come and where we are going in order to know where we are at each moment. Without that we lose the ability to make choices.

Today we do not have that option; so we replace that imperative with religion, as an expression of our relation to Absolute Being.

Today we do not have that option; so we replace that imperative with religion, as an expression of our relation to Absolute Being. Within that future option, religion will become the transcendent fulfillment promised in Christianity after death or the imminent fulfillment of perpetual social life.

 

[Memaw]

Ray Kurzweil, in his book “The Singularity Is Near,” speculates that, if science continues to accelerate at its present rate, within twenty-five years immortality will be an option. All body parts can be progressively replaced with whatever works.

At that point, exercising that choice, to die or live on, demonstrates the essence of our humanity, volition. As long as volition is present, we are human. Volition is demonstrable in any organism that feels a need and behaves to seek meaning for its own existence.

Existence alone does not provide meaning. Meaning requires knowing from whence we come and where we are going in order to know where we are at each moment. Without that we lose the ability to make choices.

Today we do not have that option; so we replace that imperative with religion, as an expression of our relation to Absolute Being.

Today we do not have that option; so we replace that imperative with religion, as an expression of our relation to Absolute Being. Within that future option, religion will become the transcendent fulfillment promised in Christianity after death or the imminent fulfillment of perpetual social life.

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Don’t let all this go to your head-smith, God Bless, Memaw

 

[lobster]

Lobster: And when does life end for someone who hasn’t had the opportunity yet of having a brain?

When all the body cells perish. If as I imagine, you are referring to embryos and fetuses, there is no separately functioning body to cease life.

The relevance is that a human person’s existence is not dependent on the presence of a brain. A brain is simply a consequence of age. Embryos are just as much human, possessing both body and soul, as a thirty-three year old. Yes, embryos have a functioning body, albeit immature and not fully formed.

 

[LayingHands]

Let’s say I lose an arm and replace it with a robotic arm. Then I lose a leg and replace it with a robotic leg. Then I get a robotic heart after mine fails. Then a portion of my brain fails and I get a robotic part to replace it. Let’s say this goes on and on till my entire body is robotic. At what point is my soul not on earth anymore? How much of me can be a robot before I die?

HA! LOL! You are hilarious…wait, wait, hem, hum,…let me put on my serious face.

You are passed when your soul has left your physical matter, i.e. body. The soul is what carries our memories of incarnation to our next life, in reincarnation, as Karma.

In understanding this, I feel you need to understand what, where and who is your Spirit, totally different and separate to your soul. Your Spirit is a portion of GOD, given to you by GOD…it resides above the crown of your head. GOD’s spirit is active and stays with you throughout your current incarnation as long as GOD allows, per the worthiness of your life actions…GOD may also take his Spirit back, during your current incarnation…his will be done. You may still be alive with your soul…without GOD’s spirit…however, once your soul
has passed to the other side…then LIFE ceases.

 

[Memaw]

HA! LOL! You are hilarious…wait, wait, hem, hum,…let me put on my serious face.

You are passed when your soul has left your physical matter, i.e. body. The soul is what carries our memories of incarnation to our next life, in reincarnation, as Karma.

In understanding this, I feel you need to understand what, where and who is your Spirit, totally different and separate to your soul. Your Spirit is a portion of GOD, given to you by GOD…it resides above the crown of your head. GOD’s spirit is active and stays with you throughout your current incarnation as long as GOD allows, per the worthiness of your life actions…GOD may also take his Spirit back, during your current incarnation…his will be done. You may still be alive with your soul…without GOD’s spirit…however, once your soul
has passed to the other side…then LIFE ceases.

Your a bit hilarious yourself, out of what book did you get this nonsense?? Some of this stuff would be really funny if it wasn’t for the fact that it could be misleading to some. You need to read and study the Catechism of the Catholic Church and get a really good and faithful spiritual director to help you. God Bless, Memaw

 

[TxPatriot281]

I’m not sure its possible to p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact time of when your soul leaves the body. I dont know if the church has a teaching on it. What about people who are physically declared dead?? No pulse, no brain function, yet after a short time they are revived and live on. Did thier soul leave there body, meet God, then God sent thier soul back?

I read a book about angels calleded Beyond Space, I think its written by a priest, but either way someone who is very learned in the study of the angels. It says that angels and God are pure spirit as they exist outside of space and time(the universe) in an eternal state. There’s a lot of metaphysics involved that I can’t explain and have a very loose understanding of, so I dont want to say too much. But, Human beings are creatures that are comprised of a physical presence as well as a spiritual presence(our soul).

I think a lot of this has to do with Original sin too. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The first things they noticed was that they were naked. How did they not notice their bodies as naked before they ate the fruit, yet after, they did? Did thier bodies change or did their sight change, OR both?

Paul talks about the flesh(our bodies) being in conflict with the spirit(our soul?).

I have a lot more questions then answers. So I think to be able to begin to have some kind of reasonable answer to the title question it would take a life-time of study and revelation.

 

[Doc_Keele]

NO, I am NOT conceding that the soul can be harmed in the same way a body can. I am saying that the only thing that’s is harmful to the soul is SIN. By that I mean, serious sin that has not been repented of and forgiven by God, before death, remains with the soul into eternity and would be the cause of that soul’s suffering for eternity. Matt.25-41.
As I said before a couple times, the dead body can’t remember a thing, because when one dies the soul leaves the dead body and the memory goes with the soul into Eternity. God Bless, Memaw

Clearly a dead body can’t do anything, but that doesn’t mean that memory isn’t encoded in RNA in a physical form. You are speculating about what the soul is and has, but I’d like to see your proof.
We can certainly prove that certain parts of the brain deal with memory etc.

 

[GEddie]

I’m not sure its possible to p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact time of when your soul leaves the body. I dont know if the church has a teaching on it. What about people who are physically declared dead?? No pulse, no brain function, yet after a short time they are revived and live on. Did thier soul leave there body, meet God, then God sent thier soul back?

Yep. For human life to exist through death, a mechanism must exist that enables the soul (which is the body’s soul; it is not independent) to exit its home, the body, and be clothed in the Spiritual Body of our eternity, without getting lost in the nothingness that lies between our life and the Eternal Life. And this mechanism doesn’t have to go all the way every time. There can conceivably be “aborted takeoffs.”

I read a book about angels calleded Beyond Space, I think its written by a priest, but either way someone who is very learned in the study of the angels. It says that angels and God are pure spirit as they exist outside of space and time(the universe) in an eternal state. There’s a lot of metaphysics involved that I can’t explain and have a very loose understanding of, so I dont want to say too much. But, Human beings are creatures that are comprised of a physical presence as well as a spiritual presence(our soul).

Indeed. But our life after death will also be lived in an “eternal” state. Yet we will have bodies; Spiritual Bodies, according to Saint Paul (1Co 15). Bodilessness is not intrinsic to life in eternity; in fact, bodyhood is intrinsic to “life” at all. It is our bodies that hold and express life.

I think a lot of this has to do with Original sin too. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The first things they noticed was that they were naked. How did they not notice their bodies as naked before they ate the fruit, yet after, they did? Did thier bodies change or did their sight change, OR both?

Neither. Their mind did. Before the sin, they were innocent. They were not “naked,” they were just living life in their skin, as GOD made it. But with sin came shame, and the idea that bodies should be covered up, and were not.

Paul talks about the flesh(our bodies) being in conflict with the spirit(our soul?).

They can be. But not necessarily. Soul’s first task is to keep Body alive. Body’s first task is to live life for the Soul.

I have a lot more questions then answers. So I think to be able to begin to have some kind of reasonable answer to the title question it would take a life-time of study and revelation.

Indeed. ICXC NIKA.

 

[LayingHands]

Your a bit hilarious yourself, out of what book did you get this nonsense?? Some of this stuff would be really funny if it wasn’t for the fact that it could be misleading to some. You need to read and study the Catechism of the Catholic Church and get a really good and faithful spiritual director to help you. God Bless, Memaw

So which part don’t you understand? Do you believe we are a Soul and Spirit, which resides within our incarnated bodies, which are dense Matter? Wasn’t this taught or has this changed to what?..it is one thing to disagree, however, when you offer no knowledge of what you are on about and your thoughts?..Well, it is certainly not helpful for Robot Jr…Teach me, dear, as I am old and have been a Catholic…maybe, much longer than you…

 

[GEddie]

So which part don’t you understand? Do you believe we are a Soul and Spirit, which resides within our incarnated bodies, which are dense Matter? Wasn’t this taught or has this changed to what?..it is one thing to disagree, however, when you offer no knowledge of what you are on about and your thoughts?..Well, it is certainly not helpful for Robot Jr…Teach me, dear, as I am old and have been a Catholic…maybe, much longer than you…

No, we are not spirits, and the Church never taught that we were. We are human beings: a human body, vitalized by spirit from God, and expressing a cognitive mind.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[LayingHands]

No, we are not spirits, and the Church never taught that we were. We are human beings: a human body, vitalized by spirit from God, and expressing a cognitive mind.

ICXC NIKA.

Then I am old indeed…I was taught by the RCC that GOD has placed a portion of his Spirit within ALL Life…that would include ALL Humanity…we are created in his Image…how else to know Him by Faith…we are Souls with GOD’s spirit…encased in a body mass of dense matter, which will decompose, once our souls and spirits depart…

 

[grannymh]

Then I am old indeed…I was taught by the RCC that GOD has placed a portion of his Spirit within ALL Life…that would include ALL Humanity…we are created in his Image…how else to know Him by Faith…we are Souls with GOD’s spirit…encased in a body mass of dense matter, which will decompose, once our souls and spirits depart…

It sounds like you are saying that the soul is one thing and the body another.
Catholic teaching is that human nature (us) is an unique, intimate unification of soul and body. We are called to share, by knowledge and love, in God’s own life.

There is some good reading about this topic in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 355-368. You can use this link www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

By the way, I am older than dirt.

Blessings,
granny

Human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

 

[MindOverMatter2]

By the way, I am older than dirt.

Eh…that would give you an age greater than the dirt in our know universe.

Are you sure you haven’t been at the scotch or the whiskey bottle again?

 

[Memaw]

It sounds like you are saying that the soul is one thing and the body another.
Catholic teaching is that human nature (us) is an unique, intimate unification of soul and body. We are called to share, by knowledge and love, in God’s own life.

There is some good reading about this topic in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 355-368. You can use this link www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

By the way, I am older than dirt.

Blessings,
granny

Human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

The soul is one thing and the body is another. The soul can exist without the body, but the body cannot exist without the soul. Angels are proof that souls,(spirits) exist without a body. God created man to be both body and soul. When the soul leaves the body, that is death and will only be reunited at the last Judgment and Resurrection. The soul continues on until that time. God must reconstruct the body then. God Bless, Memaw
P.S. I’m not so young myself.

 

[MindOverMatter2]

The soul is one thing and the body is another. The soul can exist without the body, but the body cannot exist without the soul. Angels are proof that souls,(spirits) exist without a body. God created man to be both body and soul. When the soul leaves the body, that is death and will only be reunited at the last Judgment and Resurrection. The soul continues on until that time. God must reconstruct the body then. God Bless, Memaw
P.S. I’m not so young myself.

You have a platonic understanding of the soul. According to Aquinas the soul is the form of the human body. That is to say a body is human in relation to its form. What makes a body human is the intellect of human beings. As far as i can understand it, Aquinas seems to say that the form of the human body is both a form and a thing by itself and is thus able to continue existing after the body dies. However, since the form is with out the body, a complete “human person” no-longer exists, and all that is left is an incomplete thing that was a human. This implies that a person as we understand it is not a soul in a body, but rather a person is union of both soul and body. This means that “you” are not your soul. It is merely apart of what makes you you. And until your form is united with its body, your existence as a person will be incomplete.

Perhaps my interpretation is wrong. I am not sure.