If you lose all your body parts can you still be alive?

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GEddie said:
With each major part of your being that is lost and prosthetized, you are less alive. Your limbs are alive; mechanical limbs are not. Your heart is alive, a mechanical one is not. SO with each replacement, you are less alive. Once all of your head has been prosthetized, a thought process resembling your own may still be going on; but you would be dead, because no part of “you” remains alive. To be alive requires a LIVING organism i.e., body.

To answer your question, the point where you die is the point where the last bit of your human self, ceases functioning or perishes.

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Interesting. Reminds me of the debate as to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Only it would be how many body parts can be replaced until one can no longer think about dancing. 😉

Seriously, human nature is mortal body and spiritual soul. Death of the body occurs when the two separate regardless of the number of original or replacement parts that actually work. It is simply tough luck that a MRI can’t detect the soul.😉

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granny

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StAnastasia said:
GEddie, I’m working (long range) on theology as if science mattered. I’m naturally interested – for my chapter on eschatology – on the future of the human person in terms of the “new creation.” On thing that troubles me is the overlay of Greek dualistic philosophical categories on the essentially Hebraic conception of the psycho-somatic unity. Immortality or a detachable “soul” seems foreign to the original Hebrew conception as reflected in the “Old Testament,” and seems foreign to the teaching of Jesus. The promise of resurrection of the whole person to new life appears more in keeping with His thought. What do you think?

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Help me out. Who is the author of the book on “new creation” Sorry, I can’t remember the exact title. However, he was the first to recast philosophy/theology along the lines of the creation principle. I’m thinking that the book came out in the 80’s because I came across it sometime in the 90’s ??? I believe the man wrote in California. I’m sure you know whom I’m talking about. Or least you have read his followers because as I recall he went on to develop his position in subsequent writings. Thank you.

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granny

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Of course! We are body and soul and we are created “in His image” for eternity…
Are you wondering about the connection between the brain and the mind? St. Augustine said that the mind belongs to the soul…science is all over this subject in the study of near death and return from clinical death by way of determining the relationship between the mind and the brain…
Jesus says it is our heart that needs to be changed…to become one with his Sacred Heart along with Mary’s Immaculate Heart…so, do you think a heart transplant then has one soul living within another soul?
The Transfiguration illustrates the mysterious relationship of the body and eternal life…transfigured by the Holy Spirit…we will someday know more about that…perhaps only in eternity.
 
Gerry_Zipf said:
Of course! We are body and soul and we are created “in His image” for eternity…
Are you wondering about the connection between the brain and the mind? St. Augustine said that the mind belongs to the soul…science is all over this subject in the study of near death and return from clinical death by way of determining the relationship between the mind and the brain…
Jesus says it is our heart that needs to be changed…to become one with his Sacred Heart along with Mary’s Immaculate Heart…so, do you think a heart transplant then has one soul living within another soul?
The Transfiguration illustrates the mysterious relationship of the body and eternal life…transfigured by the Holy Spirit…we will someday know more about that…perhaps only in eternity.
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Our soul is made in HIS image, not our body. God has no body. Jesus took on a body when he came to earth, “The WORD became flesh” and dwelt among us". Our brain is a conduit, so to speak for the intellect to work thru, just as the heart is a conduit for love to work thru. But our intellect and free will belong to the soul as well as our ability to love. Someone who is mentally handicapped has a soul with the ability to learn and a free will to act but if the brain is not healthy it can’t work thru the brain like it should normally do.
Love is an act of our will. We can choose to love or not to love. We are or should be in control of our passions. The trouble today is to many don’t even want to accept that teaching. So many of these questions can be answered by a sincere study of The Catechism of the Catholic Church as well as many of the beautiful encyclicals written by Popes.

If a person who had a heart transplant would have two souls, the church would never allow such a thing. God Bless, Memaw
 
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The soul is immortal and can never be destroyed. The body is mortal and can and will be reduced to dust after death, until the end of time.

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Interesting claim, Memaw. What supporting evidence can you bring?

A smart scientist like you and you can’t find Church teaching on that, My My, what can I say! You might check with some of those many Priests and Bishops you claim to know so well, God Bless, Memaw
StAnastasia said:
Memaw, a response like that would earn you a D- in my graduate seminar, not because it is rude but because it contributes nothing at all to the discussion. Do I take it you are refusing to offer me evidence for your position?
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I am not trying to be rude, just stating an obvious fact. I just think your smart enough to research it yourself, and then maybe it will mean more to you. You seem to know lots of more qualified people than I to give you a true answer. Try Catholic Answers “question and answer” forum. God Bless, Memaw
 
grannymh said:
Help me out. Who is the author of the book on “new creation” Sorry, I can’t remember the exact title. However, he was the first to recast philosophy/theology along the lines of the creation principle. I’m thinking that the book came out in the 80’s because I came across it sometime in the 90’s ??? I believe the man wrote in California.
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Perhaps you are thinking of Christopher B. Kaiser, Creational theology and the history of physical science: the creationist tradition from, Basil to Bohr.
 
lobster said:
And when does life end for someone who hasn’t had the opportunity yet of having a brain?
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And what is the eschatological state of such a person who has never had a brain with which to make a moral decision?
 
Memaw said:
Jesus took on a body when he came to earth, “The WORD became flesh” and dwelt among us".
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That is an extreme dualist view. Jesus did not take on a body; Jesus was/is a body or else the gospels make no sense.
 
If you lose all your body parts you will no longer be there; you will be dead.🙂
 
Memaw said:
Our soul is made in HIS image, not our body. God has no body. Jesus took on a body when he came to earth, “The WORD became flesh” and dwelt among us". Our brain is a conduit, so to speak for the intellect to work thru, just as the heart is a conduit for love to work thru. But our intellect and free will belong to the soul as well as our ability to love. Someone who is mentally handicapped has a soul with the ability to learn and a free will to act but if the brain is not healthy it can’t work thru the brain like it should normally do.
Love is an act of our will. We can choose to love or not to love. We are or should be in control of our passions. The trouble today is to many don’t even want to accept that teaching. So many of these questions can be answered by a sincere study of The Catechism of the Catholic Church as well as many of the beautiful encyclicals written by Popes.

If a person who had a heart transplant would have two souls, the church would never allow such a thing. God Bless, Memaw
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Great explanation. By the way, heart in biblical times had different definitions. I’m traveling so I don’t have my source books.
 
StAnastasia said:
Perhaps you are thinking of Christopher B. Kaiser, Creational theology and the history of physical science: the creationist tradition from, Basil to Bohr.
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Thanks but that name doesn’t sound familiar. Nor does the title. Sounds more like a follower.
 
StAnastasia said:
That is an extreme dualist view. Jesus did not take on a body; Jesus was/is a body or else the gospels make no sense.
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Extreme view??? We’re getting a little picky now aren’t we?? I quoted the Sacred Scriptures, “The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us”, didn’t I. What part of that don’t you understand?? God Bless, Memaw
 
StAnastasia said:
That is an extreme dualist view. Jesus did not take on a body; Jesus was/is a body or else the gospels make no sense.
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No; HE did not “take on a body” in the sense of wrapping a set of limbs around HIS “spiritual self”. HE DID take on a complete humanness: mind, body, psyche and life; HE became a human being. And when HE died, HE died a human being, and was raised as one.

HIS humanness is the cire of our hope in Him. The joining of divinity to human life is what makes our eternity possible.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
No; HE did not “take on a body” in the sense of wrapping a set of limbs around HIS “spiritual self”. HE DID take on a complete humanness: mind, body, psyche and life; HE became a human being. And when HE died, HE died a human being, and was raised as one. HIS humanness is the cire of our hope in Him. The joining of divinity to human life is what makes our eternity possible.ICXC NIKA
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When the word became flesh, God assumed the whole of creation: the quarks of the Big Bang, the atoms that were once part of dinosaurs, the mammalian genome, the human evolutionary history. Christ died a mammal; he was raised in glory as one.
 
StAnastasia said:
When the word became flesh, God assumed the whole of creation: the quarks of the Big Bang, the atoms that were once part of dinosaurs, the mammalian genome, the human evolutionary history. Christ died a mammal; he was raised in glory as one.
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Oh YA, you were there???
 
StAnastasia said:
When the word became flesh, God assumed the whole of creation: the quarks of the Big Bang, the atoms that were once part of dinosaurs, the mammalian genome, the human evolutionary history. Christ died a mammal; he was raised in glory as one.
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Jesus is a Divine Person with a human and a Divine Nature, The Church doesn’t teach all that other stuff. God Bless, Memaw
 
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