If you lose all your body parts can you still be alive?

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GEddie said:
They were meant to be spirits. We are not, and to exist that way would for us be a hideous punishemnt. As CS Lewis said, “A two-legged horse is maimed; not a two-legged man.”

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Are you saying that the souls in heaven are being hideously punished because their bodies are not there??? Where in the world do you get some of these strange ideas. They may be awaiting the final Resurrection but they are far from unhappy. If we only knew how happy they are I think we’d all trade places with them in a New York Minute. God Bless, Memaw
 
You brain is what you are… and don’t worry because there is no brain transplant. You have a foot to carry your brain around. All the organs are for keeping your brain alive, directly of indirectly. And the list can go on.

You are your brain. And don’t worry, it is impossible for you to substitute your brain. Someone said that for a computer to do the job of the brain you’d need a computer with the size of the Empire State Building, so replacing your brain would be impossible.
 
StAnastasia said:
Are you saying that the soul has to do with breathing? I was merely responding to post #37. who was arguing for a soul-brain connection. Your position seems to be that there is not a soul-brain connection.
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The spirit is the breath, and the body is your physical body. These two combined form a soul.
 
Cristian_B said:
The spirit is the breath, and the body is your physical body. These two combined form a soul.
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Oh REALLY?? We are Created body AND soul,( not body-breath combined to form a soul). . They are separate. And at death they separate, till the General Resurrection. The soul is immortal and can never be destroyed. The body is mortal and can and will be reduced to dust after death, until the end of time. After the Resurrection our bodies will be immortal and reunited with our souls. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
Oh REALLY?? We are Created body AND soul,( not body-breath combined to form a soul). . They are separate. And at death they separate, till the General Resurrection. The soul is immortal and can never be destroyed. The body is mortal and can and will be reduced to dust after death, until the end of time. After the Resurrection our bodies will be immortal and reunited with our souls. God Bless, Memaw
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I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are not immortal. It is quite fascinating that people still believe the oldest and the first of Satan’s lies: ‘you will not surely die!’ the truth is that you are not immortal, and death is very close. You are a soul, and souls die; thus souls aren’t immortal. 1 Timothy 6:16 God “only has immortality.” Man is not immortal.

God said in the beginning: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [the body], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [spirit]; and man became a living soul. ~Genesis 2:7 It is obvious that when He says that He formed man from the dust of the ground, He refers to the body. And it is also obvious that when He says breath of life He refers to the spirit because Job says: *all the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils *~Job 27:3 The Spirit lives in our nostrils?? Nah, I’m joking about it. The spirit is the breath of life which God gave us. This is in harmony with Genesis: and the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. ~Genesis 6:3 His spirit [breath] is what keeps us alive. The Spirit and Soul is something that is very misunderstood by many so we will primarily let the Strong’s dictionary followed or preceded by the Bible define what they are.

Put simply, the Spirit is basically the BREATH of life from God, as I said previously. Both the Greek and Hebrew words translate “spirit” to “breath” or “air.” The Greek word “pneuma” is known by many of you in relation to things like pneumatic tools which are air driven or pneumatic tires [in British it is ‘tyres’ in stead of ‘tires’] which means tires inflated by air. As you can see, the word “pneumatic” originated from the Greek word “Pneuma” and means “breath” or “air.”
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            **Strong’s Old Testament Hebrew dictionary definition for Spirit.**
                **H7307** ruach, Pronounced roo'-akh. From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit (-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

             **Strong’s New Testament Greek dictionary definition for Spirit.**
                **G4151 **pneuma, Pronounced pnyoo'-mah. From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

             A person’s soul is just simply a living breathing creature. Have you heard the expression: 'I went to the park and there wasn’t a soul there'? A soul just simply means a person and is who and what you are.

             **Strong’s Old Testament Hebrew dictionary definition for Soul.**
            **H5315 **nephesh, Pronounced neh'-fesh. From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental).
As you read in Genesis 2:7 God made Adam a living soul, not simply a soul. Logically there can also be a dead soul, because if not, it would just be called a soul; but it is called a living soul, meaning that there can be dead souls as well. God said: …for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. ~Genesis 2:17 But Satan said: ‘you will not surely die’ ~Genesis 3:4 But who was right in the end?* Adam … died.* ~Genesis 5:5

Also read in Job: shall mortal man… ~Job 4:17 God calls man mortal and warned Adam that if he sins he will “surely die”. .…the soul that sinneth, it shall die. ~Ezequiel 18:4 God said Himself that the soul that will sin will surely die.

Another important proof: *Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. *~Ecclesiastes 12:7 As you see, the body becomes dust, and only the spirit returns to the Lord. But what is the spirit? Certainly not a soul! The spirit is the breath of life which God gave you! Read the definitions above for more information. It certainly says nothing about a soul going back to God, but the spirit.

A soul is the body plus the spirit. body + spirit = soul. In Exodus 1:5 *And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already. *Seventy souls went to Egypt. It talks about persons, people. Souls are people. Acts 2:41 "Three thousand souls” were baptized. Again, souls are people. 1 Peter 3:20 “Eight souls were saved” in Noah’s day. Again, souls are people.

A soul, as I said, is a combination between the dust of the earth and the spirit. The man did not receive a soul, but it became a soul. Some translations say that is became a living being. You are made from the dust, you receive a spirit, and you become a living soul, because until then you were a dead soul. Just the air itself cannot make a living being and the body without breathing isn’t a living being either. So a soul is body and spirit together.
 
A person’s soul is just simply a living breathing creature. Have you heard the expression: ‘I went to the park and there wasn’t a soul there’? A soul just simply means a person and is who and what you are
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It’s also interseting that one might say, “There was nobody (i.e.,noBODY) there.” In other words, body is the person, as much as “soul” is. Body is not just something worn to walk around in.

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GEddie said:
It’s also interseting that one might say, “There was nobody (i.e.,noBODY) there.” In other words, body is the person, as much as “soul” is. Body is not just something worn to walk around in.

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Your point is?
 
Memaw said:
The soul is immortal and can never be destroyed. The body is mortal and can and will be reduced to dust after death, until the end of time.
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Interesting claim, Memaw. What supporting evidence can you bring?
 
Cristian_B said:
You brain is what you are… and don’t worry because there is no brain transplant. …You are your brain. And don’t worry, it is impossible for you to substitute your brain. Someone said that for a computer to do the job of the brain you’d need a computer with the size of the Empire State Building, so replacing your brain would be impossible.
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ChristianB, we are more than our brains. There are physiological feedback loops between the brain and the rest of the body that help make who you are. A female brain and a male brain have variations caused by physiology’ there are even differences between gay and straight brains http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm. Additionally , we are who we are because of the cumulative experiences in a particular body. Bodily experience is very important to making us who we are.

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GEddie said:
It’s also interseting that one might say, “There was nobody (i.e.,noBODY) there.” In other words, body is the person, as much as “soul” is. Body is not just something worn to walk around in.ICXC NIKA
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Quit right GEddie.
 
StAnastasia said:
ChristianB, we are more than our brains. There are physiological feedback loops between the brain and the rest of the body that help make who you are. A female brain and a male brain have variations caused by physiology’ there are even differences between gay and straight brains http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm. Additionally , we are who we are because of the cumulative experiences in a particular body. Bodily experience is very important to making us who we are.

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We are more, but our personality, memories, etc. are in the brain. Our bodies modify the brain, in a certain sense. If you could find a way to keep the brain alive without the body, you’d still be you, but far less complete; but the point is that what we are is the brain, referring to personality and things like that.
 
StAnastasia said:
Interesting claim, Memaw. What supporting evidence can you bring?
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You gotta be kidding me, and you say your a Catholic??? The Sacred Scriptures of course, have you ever tried reading them?? As well as Church teaching!!
 
Memaw said:
You gotta be kidding me, and you say your a Catholic??? The Sacred Scriptures of course, have you ever tried reading them?? As well as Church teaching!!
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Memaw can you please direct me to the relevant passages?
 
Cristian_B said:
But I have already proven from Scripture the contrary. The personal Divine Revelation does not contradict Scripture, or does it? Of course not.
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I have your post 86. Were there any others?

Re: 1 Timothy 6:16
One of the things I like to do with a single verse citation is to read above and below it to get the context. Then check the footnotes. I find that doing this helps me to understand Paul as a writer.

Please start reading at 1 Timothy 6: 11. At verse 12, my Bible says: Lay hold of eternal life, to which you were called when you made the noble confession in the presence of many witnesses." Then Paul tries to describe God as" King of kings, Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, Who dwells in unapproachable light, and Whom no human being has seen or can see."

To me, it seems that Paul is describing the relationship between us and God. But the relationship has changed since we were sinners before Christ redeemed us. Something has changed us so that we can approach the unapproachable light.
Was God the first and only one to be immortal?

At the Last Supper, Jesus speaks about going to the Father and preparing a place for us. But how can we do that? What is the noble confession in verse 12? Did that occur at Pentecost when crowds accepted the preaching of Peter? Does that kind of confession or maybe it is Baptism which gives us eternal life so that we can remain with God Who is immortal? But what is it about us which can accept eternal life?

Certainly our material bodies are mortal. But did God give us a spiritual soul at conception so that we could share in His immortal life?

Pardon me for all these questions. When I find a Scripture passage which looks like it contradicts something I consider true, I start digging. I place myself in Paul’s audience. Then I come at it from Paul’s point of view. Then I try to remember what Jesus taught about the subject. Then I sleep on it.

To me, the concept of soul is primary. When I was in school, I could understand the basics but I spaced out everything else. For nearly a year now, I have been trying to catch up with learning. It is amazing what soul is and what it does.

I am interested in your thoughts.

Blessings,
granny

Spring is a message of hope sent by God.
 
grannymh said:
I have your post 86. Were there any others?

Re: 1 Timothy 6:16
One of the things I like to do with a single verse citation is to read above and below it to get the context. Then check the footnotes. I find that doing this helps me to understand Paul as a writer.

Please start reading at 1 Timothy 6: 11. At verse 12, my Bible says: Lay hold of eternal life, to which you were called when you made the noble confession in the presence of many witnesses." Then Paul tries to describe God as" King of kings, Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, Who dwells in unapproachable light, and Whom no human being has seen or can see."

To me, it seems that Paul is describing the relationship between us and God. But the relationship has changed since we were sinners before Christ redeemed us. Something has changed us so that we can approach the unapproachable light.
Was God the first and only one to be immortal?

At the Last Supper, Jesus speaks about going to the Father and preparing a place for us. But how can we do that? What is the noble confession in verse 12? Did that occur at Pentecost when crowds accepted the preaching of Peter? Does that kind of confession or maybe it is Baptism which gives us eternal life so that we can remain with God Who is immortal? But what is it about us which can accept eternal life?

Certainly our material bodies are mortal. But did God give us a spiritual soul at conception so that we could share in His immortal life?

Pardon me for all these questions. When I find a Scripture passage which looks like it contradicts something I consider true, I start digging. I place myself in Paul’s audience. Then I come at it from Paul’s point of view. Then I try to remember what Jesus taught about the subject. Then I sleep on it.

To me, the concept of soul is primary. When I was in school, I could understand the basics but I spaced out everything else. For nearly a year now, I have been trying to catch up with learning. It is amazing what soul is and what it does.

I am interested in your thoughts.

Blessings,
granny

Spring is a message of hope sent by God.
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I don’t believe that we have immortality yet, but we receive it when we receive the ‘glorified bodies’ at the end. As I said, we are made of spirit and body, and those two make a soul. And the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When that will happen we will have immortality because the body will not decay, will nor perish and it will be immortal. God didn’t give us an immortal soul, but made us a soul, living soul. This soul is not immortal, meaning that we are not immortal. We live to get closer to God and achieve immortality.
 
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