If you lose all your body parts can you still be alive?

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No, soul is a process that resides in a living body. The brain stem allows body to hold life, (briefly) and so the soul remains. Disable the brain stem, (i.e. by a hangman fracture) and the soul will depart at once. But it is the living body, not parts of it, that is important.
The guy I was responding to said the osul keeps things alive. This is the brain stem. If you have half a brain do you have half a soul.
Nonsequiutur. Philosophical concepts aren’t driven by personal anxieties.
It’s a piece of dogma invented by some wad who was in charge. When he invented it he was probably driven by personal anxieties. It’s funny I don’t even have to use non gender specific pronouns.
 
No, not really. “The soul” is the process of life, including the mind, and is designed to fill a human body. It does not “detach” from body and function independently, but it does survive, because soul’s survival is what makes a human eternity possible.

Your human body does not go anywhere in death, except back into nature. Whatever in us “goes on” to new life would be an aspect of our soul. This would be true for our LORD’s death companion as well as for you or me.

And you are right, HE did not say “you soul will be.” HE said “you will be,” and humanly, that implies embodiedness, because “you” require a body to be. So “you” come back alive when your “soul” is fitted with a Spiritual Body on the other side of time. The soul survives, but is still designed to fill a body, and needs one for life.

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Your soul is You. the body houses the soul. Intellect and free will are not made of matter, they belong to the soul. And your right, God created us body and soul. At death, the soul leaves the body to go to its eternal reward, either Heaven, (purgatory), or Hell. At the general Resurrection our bodies will be reunited to our souls forever, either in Heaven or Hell. The choice is up to you. God Bless, Memaw
 
I thought you posted your religion as Catholic??? Jesus didn’t come to die for doggie or kitty. He never speaks of them as having Eternal life. Maybe you need to get your head out of the dinosaur bones and put it in the Catechism of the Catholic church. God Bless, Memaw
Memaw, tut, tut – remember to post charitably! Jesus never says animals do not have eternal life. Anti-animal humans made up that tradition. Yes, I am a Catholic theologian. The Catechism is useful, but it’s not the sole source of theological insight. To treat it as such would be “chatecholatry.”
 
Your soul is You. the body houses the soul. Intellect and free will are not made of matter, they belong to the soul. And your right, God created us body and soul. At death, the soul leaves the body to go to its eternal reward,
This is a Greek dualist notion. Do you have any evidence to support the claim? Any proof that “you are your soul”?
 
The answer to the OP, I don’t know.

The title of the movie, I do know.
The scientists were not able to reconnect the spinal cords, so the heads remained alive, briefly, on completely immovable bodies.

There was speculation at the time that this would one day be done on human beings (therefore that movie, which title escapes me, where someone’s head is attached on another man’s body next to his own head). That idea has been dropped because of the less than desirable results (to put it mildly) of such a process.

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“The Thing With Two Heads” LOL (70s movies, gotta luv 'em)

It is my understanding of Catholicism that the person is the unity of body and soul, not just the soul The idea that the soul alone is the person is Plato’s idea. In Phaedo he discusses the soul’s journey in the afterworld and it’s subsequent rebirth in a new body. In that dialogue, the friends of Socrates suggest the body is to the soul as a coat is to the man. The character of Socrates expresses the Platonic idea that the soul is immortal, but the coat analogy still holds true for the Platonic vision. Catholicism does not see the body as a coat, but as an essential part of the person.

Of course, I don’t think any Catholic would argue that you are not the same person anymore if you lose a finger. How can your soul be affected by the loss of that body part? Yet medieval theologians argued whether or not, when your body were resurrected at the end of time, you would have the missing finger or not. I don’t know a lot about these arguments, but I’d be interested in learning more if anyone knows.

But I believe the OP is asking where we would draw the line. Ultimately this discussion is about the brain because we wouldn’t tell someone who lost an arm that he wasn’t a person, nor a person who lost two arms, nor a person who lost two arms and a kidney, etc.

Once we are talking about the relationship between the brain and soul, we could rephrase our question to allow atheistic participation in the discussion: What is the relationship between the brain and personhood? If all the parts of your brain are replaced, are you still the same person? Are you even a person at all?

I think of the violence done to people in the past through frontal lobotomies, or the damage done to people’s brains from injuries and illnesses, where they do not seem to be the same person anymore. Then there is the case of people in comas who can never come out, people whose brains no longer work, but who are breathing. It is my understanding that the RCC does not approve removing respirators or feeding tubes from these patients. This would seem to suggest that the RCC considers the soul to be united to the body even though the brain is dead, or as good as dead. The brain is apparently still doing something, for the autonomic nervous system still functions, but consciousness is absent.

Personally I think the presence of consciousness is necessary to a definition of personhood/ensoulment. And I do not think it makes sense to consider consciousness totally divorced from a body (as in the robot example). Here, we might imagine the presence of thoughts and feelings, the awareness of self, but what sort of thoughts and feelings would occur to a being without a body? Descartes would answer “I think; therefore I am.” But what thought would occur next? Everything I think and feel is based on the physical world or utilizes metaphors based on the physical world.

If an entire body were artificial (but the brain is still you), what would your experience of the world be like? What use would the body be other than locomotion? You couldn’t see, hear, taste, touch or smell? Or would your robotic body send signals to your brain that created the illusion that you were seeing, hearing, etc.? Or is that what our flesh and blood bodies do anyway?

Okay, now my head hurts. Or at least, I think my head hurts.
 
Personally I think the presence of consciousness is necessary to a definition of personhood/ensoulment. And I do not think it makes sense to consider consciousness totally divorced from a body (as in the robot example). Here, we might imagine the presence of thoughts and feelings, the awareness of self, but what sort of thoughts and feelings would occur to a being without a body? Descartes would answer “I think; therefore I am.” But what thought would occur next? Everything I think and feel is based on the physical world or utilizes metaphors based on the physical world.
If an entire body were artificial (but the brain is still you), what would your experience of the world be like? What use would the body be other than locomotion? You couldn’t see, hear, taste, touch or smell? Or would your robotic body send signals to your brain that created the illusion that you were seeing, hearing, etc.? Or is that what our flesh and blood bodies do anyway?
Okay, now my head hurts. Or at least, I think my head hurts.
If science could connect nerves to mechanical limbs for locomotion, why could it not reconnect cybernetic sensors to the “head” for sensation? Optic nerves to cameras, etc, should be no more ‘undoable’ than spinal nerves to metal hands and feet.

Presumably you could not regain the entire sensorium this way. Mechanical bodies do not breathe, so there would be no sense of smell. Likewise, without a sensitive skin, there could be no sense of touch. No doubt the lack of touch and smell would cast an unforeseen shadow over the still-human mind, for our skins and noses play a large part in making us human.

Your human body provides you with 4 major services: it keeps you alive, it provides you a form, it provvides movement, and sensation. An artificial body might be made to do most of these, but not perfectly. You’d have a form, you’d move (but not as well), you’d have senses, some better (Radio ears? Ultraviolet and infrared cameras for eyes?) but some lost (i.e. no skin or nose).

But most significantl, only your brain would be alive. So it fails the basic task of bodyhood. I’d consider such a system to be in essence a total prosthesis rather than a “new body.” For that, you need to go to Heaven and have the Risen Body HIMself rebuild you.🙂

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Since this is a thought experiment, let’s just say the mechanical body is so sophisticated that it can send signals to the brain for smell and touch as well as the other senses. The mechanical hand plucks a rose, lifts it to a mechanical nose, and sensors in the nose send a signal to the brain that trigger the same reaction in the brain that occurs when a human nose smells a rose. Why bother? Why not just keep the brain in a jar and stimulate the area of the brain that is stimulated when a person smells a rose? Think The Matrix, but with just brains rather than entire human bodies.

Most people recoil at the thought of such an existence. It strikes as as unreal. This would be based on a definition of reality that requires participation with the physical world; mental states alone are not enough to qualify as real. When I have a nightmare and wake up, I discover that the monster pursuing me was not real even though my fear was real. (I know my fear was real, and continues to be real, upon awakening because my heart beats rapidly etc.)

So we might say the brain is the one part of the body we know is required for personhood, but it alone is not enough. We need a body. But we do not need an entire body. This rasies the difficult question of how much of the body (in addition to the brain) is required to be intact for personhood; or, which other body parts are required for personhood to be present? It’s not the arms or legs; we do not say people are not persons or souls without these limbs. It’s not heart or lungs; we do not say people are not persons or souls if these organs are replaced with artifical ones. Could it be skin? If those severed heads were human instead of monkey heads, there would be skin; but this answer seems like a cop out to me, though I can’t say for sure why.
 
Memaw, tut, tut – remember to post charitably! Jesus never says animals do not have eternal life. Anti-animal humans made up that tradition. Yes, I am a Catholic theologian. The Catechism is useful, but it’s not the sole source of theological insight. To treat it as such would be “chatecholatry.”
Free speech allows all kinds of kooky theological insights.
 
So we might say the brain is the one part of the body we know is required for personhood, but it alone is not enough. We need a body. But we do not need an entire body. This raises the difficult question of how much of the body (in addition to the brain) is required to be intact for personhood; or, which other body parts are required for personhood to be present? It’s not the arms or legs; we do not say people are not persons or souls without these limbs. It’s not heart or lungs; we do not say people are not persons or souls if these organs are replaced with artifical ones. Could it be skin? If those severed heads were human instead of monkey heads, there would be skin; but this answer seems like a cop out to me, though I can’t say for sure why.
SugarMagnolia, you raise a very interesting question. I would argue that since all experience is embodied, embodiment is essential to being human. (That’s why I see the notion of a disembodied immortal soul as basically incoherent.) In other words, without a body and its attendant organs to furnish us with experiences and sensations, I don’t know how one would be human.

That being said, we certainly would not diminish the humanity of a blind person, or a deaf person, or a person with no sense of smell or taste. Helen Keller developed a rich inner life even in the absence of visual and auditory data. But a human brain in a jar – a brain grown from a stem cell, that had never smelled a rose or seen a sunset or heard a symphony or experience a maternal touch or tasted Zinfandel or enjoyed sexual intimacy – would that be a human life? I don’t know.

StAnastasia
 
So we might say the brain is the one part of the body we know is required for personhood, but it alone is not enough. We need a body. But we do not need an entire body. This rasies the difficult question of how much of the body (in addition to the brain) is required to be intact for personhood; or, which other body parts are required for personhood to be present? It’s not the arms or legs; we do not say people are not persons or souls without these limbs. It’s not heart or lungs; we do not say people are not persons or souls if these organs are replaced with artifical ones. Could it be skin? If those severed heads were human instead of monkey heads, there would be skin; but this answer seems like a cop out to me, though I can’t say for sure why.
OK. Certainly the limbless, or those on artificial hearts or iron lungs, are human. I’d go further and say (like St A) that the the blind, the deaf, and anosmic (i.e., unsmelling) are likewise human. The skin? Well, that’s a vital organ, since you would die if your skin were removed, and currently science has no means of prosthetizing skin. But if it could, I’d say that artificial skin is no more “unhuman” than an iron lung or mechanical hand.

So we’re left with the brain as the only body-organ that “makes” you human. The rest of Body keeps this alive and allows the human mind within to live life. If various limbs and parts are removed or prosthetized, the mind remains human; but diminished by not having a full LIVING BODY. Likewise if born without said limbs or systems (ie, Thalidomide cases).

I’d conclude that a brain grown with no body and kept alive continues to have a human mind. Such mind would not, however, be able to live much of a human life.

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This is a Greek dualist notion. Do you have any evidence to support the claim? Any proof that “you are your soul”?
Sorry but you left out a VERY important part of my statement,. don’t you believe in the Resurrection???

This is what I said:

Your soul is You. The body houses the soul. Intellect and free will are not made of matter, they belong to the soul. And your right, God created us body and soul. At death, the soul leaves the body to go to its eternal reward, either Heaven, (purgatory), or Hell. At the general Resurrection our bodies will be reunited to our souls forever, either in Heaven or Hell. The choice is up to you. God Bless, Memaw

P.S.
Did you ever see a dead body walk, talk, read, dance, love, smile etc. In my lab, they don’t. Something VERY important is missing. Me thinks it the soul. That’s what the Catholic Church teaches and I believe it. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw, tut, tut – remember to post charitably! Jesus never says animals do not have eternal life. Anti-animal humans made up that tradition. Yes, I am a Catholic theologian. The Catechism is useful, but it’s not the sole source of theological insight. To treat it as such would be “chatecholatry.”
I thought I was being charitable, trying to guide you back to the Teaching of the Catholic Church. A little humor never hurt anybody.

If you think I’m an anti-animal human, please don’t tell that to my 2 dogs, as well as all the other dogs and pets my 7 boys have had while growing up, such as rabbits, hamsters, horny toads, hermit crabs, fish of all kinds, ducks, canaries, parakeets, and yes even a snake, (boa), and a pony all of which have passed on from this life. Oh did I mention I grew up on a farm with lots of animals. God Bless, Memaw

P.S., since I’m probably not as educated as you are could you please explain to me what “chatecholatry” means???
 
Did you ever see a dead body walk, talk, read, dance, love, smile etc. In my lab, they don’t. Something VERY important is missing. Me thinks it the soul.
Did you ever see a spirit walk, talk, read, dance, love, smile, etc.? In my lab, they don’t. Something VERY important is missing. Me thinks it the body.
 
Did you ever see a spirit walk, talk, read, dance, love, smile, etc.? In my lab, they don’t. Something VERY important is missing. Me thinks it the body.
Of course it is; and therein lies our hope. Who wants an existence unable to see, smell, hear, taste, move, breathe, touch or be touched? Not to mention that with no head, you can’t know anything either?

But our LORD has provided for this need. “There is a natural body; and there is a spiritual body” — 1 Co 15.

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Did you ever see a spirit walk, talk, read, dance, love, smile, etc.? In my lab, they don’t. Something VERY important is missing. Me thinks it the body.
I don’t have to see a ‘spirit’ walk, talk, etc. to know its real. Couldn’t if I wanted to. God said it, I believe it and that settles it!! (at least as far as I’m concerned.) and yes, the body is missing and the soul won’t be complete until the Resurrection when body and soul are reunited. That day will come and what a glorious day that will be. God Bless, Memaw
 
Of course it is; and therein lies our hope. Who wants an existence unable to see, smell, hear, taste, move, breathe, touch or be touched? Not to mention that with no head, you can’t know anything either?

But our LORD has provided for this need. “There is a natural body; and there is a spiritual body” — 1 Co 15.

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The Angels, and their perfectly happy without all that. And who says they don’t know anything because they have no head. But most of all, let’s not forget that God is a Pure Spirit Himself. God Bless, Memaw
 
The Angels, and their perfectly happy without all that. And who says they don’t know anything because they have no head. But most of all, let’s not forget that God is a Pure Spirit Himself. God Bless, Memaw
They were meant to be spirits. We are not, and to exist that way would for us be a hideous punishemnt. As CS Lewis said, “A two-legged horse is maimed; not a two-legged man.”

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