If you were the pope, would you free up the TLM?

[water]

I am quite sure that Priests, all being university educated, many with Masters and PHDs, could learn to do so very quickly.

Do you know if there are priests who don’t know Latin? I am not sure. If there are, how long do you think it takes them to learn the language and be able to understand fully when celebrating the Mass in Latin?

 

[m134e5]

If I were pope, the next day, communion in the hand would be a thing of the past. I would push hard for faithful translations of the Novus Ordo into the vernacular. Over the next few years, I would require parishes to refurbish their old high altars, and install communion rails- and then standing for communion would only be for those who physically could not kneel. I would require all parishes to have a Latin Novus Ordo every week, and gradually introduce the Tridentine Mass. By the end, I would hope to have a Latin Novus Ordo in every parish, and oratories with only Tridentine Masses in every deanery.

 

[TraditionalCath]

If i were the pope, the Traditional Latin Mass would be freed almost immediately. I wouldn’t even hesitate to get started on it. There would also be a return of the communion rails, and communion by mouth.

I would also have the traditional Catechism taught in all dioceses.
I would also bring back a mandatory dress code as well, modest dress for women, no short skirts, no shorts in Mass, exct.

I’d have both Masses, the No for those who want it, and the TLM for those who want it. I’d also make sure that all NO masses are reverent. no liturgical dancing, no bands, no hand clapping, no immodest dress, exct. it would be a big reform, but we need it.

 

[Swiss_Guard]

I still have to snicker that anyone could possibly pick yes or no. As many popes have shown us in the past, a lot of things change when you become pope. Our current pope should be enough of an example of this. Remember how everyone thought he was going to come in turn everything on its head in two minutes? While I wish that he had (just my personal preference), it would seem that the liberals and conservatives were wrong.

It’s just a question on an internet forum. It’s not brain surgery.

I think we all need to stop taking ourselves so seriously. Naturally, things would be different if any one of us became pope. I personally think the person on this forum who would make the best pope is paramedicgirl.

 

[paramedicgirl]

It’s just a question on an internet forum. It’s not brain surgery.

I think we all need to stop taking ourselves so seriously. Naturally, things would be different if any one of us became pope. I personally think the person on this forum who would make the best pope is paramedicgirl.

They don’t let women be popes! Thank God! But I might be good at brain surgery.

 

[Swiss_Guard]

Things I would do if I were pope:

1. Return the Traditional Latin Mass to being the normative Mass of the Latin rite.
2. Abolish Communion in the hand, altar girls, and extraordinary ministers of Communion.
3. Scrap the Paul VI Missal and have orthodox bishops, priests and theologians come up with one that’s an organic development of the Mass.
4. Do away with “collegiality.”
5. Order all bishops to refuse Communion to Catholic politicians who do not uphold Catholic teaching.
6. Reform the entire annulment process so annulments aren’t handed out like candy on halloween.
7. Remove all homosexuals from parishes and seminaries.
8. Remove all seminary rectors, formation directors, and faculty who aren’t orthodox.
9. Make the Green Bay Packers the official team of the Catholic Church.
10. Excommunicate all Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings fans.
11. Fire Ted Thompson as Packers GM.
12. Have paramedicgirl explain everything to TNT so he is no longer completely confused by her.

These are just a few things I’d do in my first week as pope.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Things I would do if I were pope:

1. Return the Traditional Latin Mass to being the normative Mass of the Latin rite.
2. Abolish Communion in the hand, altar girls, and extraordinary ministers of Communion.
3. Scrap the Paul VI Missal and have orthodox bishops, priests and theologians come up with one that’s an organic development of the Mass.
4. Do away with “collegiality.”
5. Order all bishops to refuse Communion to Catholic politicians who do not uphold Catholic teaching.
6. Reform the entire annulment process so annulments aren’t handed out like candy on halloween.
7. Remove all homosexuals from parishes and seminaries.
8. Remove all seminary rectors, formation directors, and faculty who aren’t orthodox.
9. Make the Green Bay Packers the official team of the Catholic Church.
10. Excommunicate all Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings fans.
11. Fire Ted Thompson as Packers GM.
12. Have paramedicgirl explain everything to TNT so he is no longer completely confused by her.

These are just a few things I’d do in my first week as pope.

 

[BobP123]

Excommunicate Bear fans? Who’s left?

 

[paramedicgirl]

Excommunicate Bear fans? Who’s left?

Well the Pope did say the church would be smaller but truer.

 

[psalm90]

I want to know if you were the pope, would you free it up? if you had nothing to hinder you, would you? i would.

As the Pope has already apparently said, TLM was “the Mass” for centuries. There’s nothing wrong with it.

But, remember why there was so much impetus to change it, because it was in Latin. Everybody had a church “missal” or their personal “missal” and the English was right there next to the Latin (actually on the opposite page). I didn’t have any trouble reading the English and knowing what the priest was saying.

The Latin Mass, along with bells, communion rails, and communion cloths were just fine.

In a “high” Mass, which means it was sung, the Mass began with the choir singing the Kyrie (Lord have mercy), while the priest and the servers were saying “the prayers at the foot of the altar.”

If you listen to the EWTN Masses, you get the impression that there is only one version of the sung Mass, while in fact there are many, and many are beautiful.

The problem is, how do the people participate when they don’t have the sheet music, or if they can’t ‘read’ it evenif they have it?
That was the problem before, in general, that the congregation was quite passive.

 

[TNT]

*no - please say why:
Ok:
*I’m with Jesus on this:
**Matthew 7 :6

 

[BobP123]

Well the Pope did say the church would be smaller but truer.

Yes but going back to just eleven Apostles? And all dressed up in those gold and green football uniforms?

 

[TNT]

Things I would do if I were pope:

1. Return the Traditional Latin Mass to being the normative Mass of the Latin rite.
2. Abolish Communion in the hand, altar girls, and extraordinary ministers of Communion.
   …

N that’s why there ain’t never gonna be a Traditional pope ever again. N that’s the truth.

 

[Swiss_Guard]

Well the Pope did say the church would be smaller but truer.

The Church would only lose 5 people once all Bears fans are excommunicated. The majority of Bears fans are bandwagon jumpers who jump off when the Bears lose.

I personally witnessed a whole bunch of them jump off the bandwagon at halftime on New Year’s Eve when the Packers were beating their brains in 23-0.

 

[TraditionalCath]

N that’s why there ain’t never gonna be a Traditional pope ever again. N that’s the truth.

never say never.

 

[Cranch]

The Tridentine Latin Mass, aka the Mass of the Ages.

paramedicgirl - I don’t want to nit-pick but I can’t help myself. As can be seen by examples in this and other threads, TLM usually refers to the Traditional Latin Mass. I believe this is to discourage the idea among those who don’t know any better, that this Mass was somehow “invented” at Trent. I know the N.O. Mass can be said in Latin, but saying Tridentine Mass should be enough to distinguish between the two. There is something redundant about Tridentine Latin Mass.

 

[BobP123]

Tridentine Latin Mass.

Not really, the Byzantine Mass also falls into the Tridentine and Pius V camp as well. But you’re right about the Traditional Latin Mass. It goes back much further than Trent.

 

[pprimeau1976]

I voted no because I would not want to go to one where the priest was not thoroughly trained on how it was to be done. I would not want any innovations or liberties taken.

The vernacular mass, which I am perfectly fine with, was introduced so quickly that I think that people took it for granted and thus added things here and there.

 

[bilop]

I would free the TLM, and mandate that each parish that has more than one Sunday Mass have at least one TLM (and at least one N.O., to be fair)

I would also celebrate it in St. Peter’s at least once a week.

I would also require the ordinary of the N.O. be in Latin, and a bunch of other stuff.

I think I would have to “promote” a lot of bishops to new Vatican positions.

God Bless

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I want to know if you were the pope, would you free it up? if you had nothing to hinder you, would you? i would.

Don’t tempt me ​

If I were Pope, I would:

• Rip up the Balamand Agreement & similar Church-wrecking blunders.
• make the canonisation process far more rigorous
• Promote Devotion to the Sacred Heart
• Give a lot of attention to the restoration of Church discipline
• Break off these time-wasting negotiations with the Orthodox
• Revise the rules governing the canonisation process so that there would always be an interval of at least 50 years between the death of the candidate & the beginning of the process, & require three miracles at every stage, with no dispensations.
• Provide an authentic interpretation of Vatican 2
• Encourage prayer for the conversion of Jews, heathens, heretics, & schismatics - especially in the Liturgy: most of all on Good Friday
• Make the Feast of the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all men & societies a Holiday of Obligation
• Give serious consideration to the possibility of letting bishops be elected by their people, as they used to be
  As to the unrevised Missal - I’m not sure ; that’s a tricky one: as in post 39, I think. ISTM that the great difficulty is that of getting people used to the change: one of the great blunders after V2 was the heavy-handedness of the way in which the reform was introduced. That must not be repeated - changes should not be imposed from above, after the manner of a centralised bureaucratic state. Tone & manner are of great importance here.

The final settlement of 1559 (as it was, in hindsight) in favour of Protestantism in England, was made easier because Christians had already gone through 25 years of religious change. This kind of movement back & forth tends to create apathy - & constant liturgical changes risk doing likewise