If you were to move, how important is a red state?

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Anne1964 said:
Things I would like if I move to another state:

Daily Latin Mass
Low taxes
Cold climate with snow
Mountains
Strong 2nd amendment support

If anyone knows of such a location please tell me.
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And when you tell @Anne1964, please tell me too.

Being able to get out in shorts and a polo shirt on Christmas Day is nice, but snow and cold have their points too. To have a daily Latin Mass (preferably TLM) in my doorstep, I think I could shovel a little of the white stuff now and then.
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HomeschoolDad:
Better cultural fit
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I totally agree. In Georgia, people still say “Have a blessed day”, and even on the Waffle House sign this year there are phrases like “God is still in control” or “prayer works!” There are Bibles in the mechanic’s waiting room, the hotels, the doctor’s office, everywhere. People read the Bible at the LAUNDROMAT waiting for their clothes (I just saw that a couple months ago), as well as in Starbucks or on the bus.
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You precisely nail exactly what I am talking about.

I wouldn’t want to live anyplace where religion is a tight-lipped, “private and personal” thing, with public discourse being secular and secular only.
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njlisa:
New Jersey has ridiculously restrictive gun laws – especially regarding self-defense in the home. You can shoot someone only if you have warned them to leave. Now, imagine if you winged the intruder. He could turn around and claim he wasn’t warned
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Is it in line with Catholic teaching to shoot someone for being inside your house?
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Depends on what they’re there for. The Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Fuller Brush man, I wouldn’t recommend it. Someone with murder or mayhem on their mind, or someone determined to make off with your life’s savings in a strongbox (not the best place to keep it, but just for the sake of argument), to tie you up with cable ties while they ransack your house and harm your loved ones — well, you tell me.

If there’s a place where you can’t protect yourself from things like this — however unlikely it might be — then that’s a place I don’t want to live. New Jersey will just have to be beautiful without me.

ETA: I am not being sarcastic when I say “beautiful”. The Garden State Parkway is a very pretty drive, and I like Cape May. The wealthy suburbs around North Caldwell are nice too. Been to the Blue Army Shrine twice. And then there’s Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi. Nice enough place, it’s just not for me.
 
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I honestly feel less safe in an area where most people have access to guns.
What if one of the neighbors uses a gun during a futile argument? What if my child plays in a home of a friend, in which a gun is not stored properly, and gets access to it? What if somebody is mistaken for an intruder and killed? What if the person owning the gun develops serious mental health issues and doesn’t address them (for example paranoia or severe depression)?
 
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aroosi said:
I honestly feel less safe in an area where most people have access to guns.
What if one of the neighbors uses a gun during a futile argument? What if my child plays in a home of a friend, in which a gun is not stored properly, and gets access to it? What if somebody is mistaken for an intruder and killed? What if the person owning the gun develops serious mental health issues and doesn’t address them (for example paranoia or severe depression)?
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We can have restrictions for some of those things.
 
Well, let’s look at your list:

Mass - more a function of the Diocese than the state, and I can’t say much about daily Masses, but there are several churches with Latin Mass regularly celebrated

Taxes - “Low” is relative; my low might be onerous to you

Cold/snow - more 4 season than cold, but decent (IMHO) snowfalls regularly enough to suit me, especially in the higher elevations

Mountains - My wife and I recently bought an unimproved lot on which we will build our final home that has 360 degree mountain views

2d Amendment - Concealed Carry permit is on a “shall issue” basis (the Sheriff has to show why you shouldn’t get one rather than you having to show need) and both hand and long guns readily available, even in small town hardware stores.

Politics vary widely depending a lot on area.

Virginia, especially Shenandoah Valley area and southwestern part of state.
 
LisaB said:
I’m curious why living in a red state is so important to people.
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I grew up in a “red” state and I live in a “blue” state, and I can’t imagine thinking this way. We are all Americans, “red” or “blue”. And there are plenty of members of both parties where I live.

This sort of thinking is what is wrong with our country, not what is right with it.
 
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HomeschoolDad said:
if the truth could ever be known
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Well, that’s just it - “The Truth” is readily available, verifiable, and widely discounted for a variety of reasons. Just like here. I remember this happening pretty much as it was described, with networks shifting more or less at random between color schemes for different elections until the 2000 election when it was fixed, apparently for all time, because of the prolonged counting, where it happened to land that cycle.
 
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njlisa:
New Jersey has ridiculously restrictive gun laws – especially regarding self-defense in the home. You can shoot someone only if you have warned them to leave. Now, imagine if you winged the intruder. He could turn around and claim he wasn’t warned
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Is it in line with Catholic teaching to shoot someone for being inside your house?
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As far as I’m concerned, it is.

If I’m in my house I’m off guard and as far as I know my life may be in danger.

There’s no legitimate reason why anyone would be in my house without authorization. The example given earlier of the neighbor coming into my house searching for his tools generally wouldn’t happen; people don’t ordinarily sneak into their neighbors’ houses, and if my neighbor did and got shot at, frankly that would be his own fault for his unwise behavior making me think I’m in danger.

By the way, someone once did break into my house and ransacked the house probably looking for money or something to sell. If I had been there at the time and had a gun he would be dead.
 
I think people just feel more comfortable in a place where more of their neighbors share their opinions. We have conservative areas in Canada, and liberal ones (but fun fact - our colors are opposite to yours - red represents our more liberal party and blue is for the more conservative one).

I remember travelling to a new city with a church group one summer in university. A much more conservative place. It just had a different vibe than my own city, or the liberal cities I’ve visited. I noticed greater church involvement in the wider community, and also felt more open about my faith beliefs because more people attended some kind of religious service.

It’s also nice to live somewhere where politicians share your opinion in the voting booth, and where the laws you want to pass are passed. It can be frustrating when political outcomes NEVER go your way.
 
It is part of the culture in the South and the West. A gun is considered a valuable gift to a young man or woman for their birthday. When a friend of mine moved from NYC to Louisiana, he was at first amazed that almost everyone, including women professors he knew from LSU, carried shotguns with them everywhere. It was part of their get-up like a pocketbook. He gradually got used to the idea but it took a while.
 
I live in New York State. Good Catholics do live in “blue states”. Don’t forget about us!
 
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Formon said:
I know several of them. My next door neighbor is one of them. It’s not about liking them. It’s about being able to feel safe around them.
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Jesus never said He wouldn’t live near prostitutes or Pharisees or gentiles or criminals because He didn’t “trust them”… he actually ate with them
 
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HomeschoolDad:
if the truth could ever be known
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Well, that’s just it - “The Truth” is readily available, verifiable, and widely discounted for a variety of reasons. Just like here. I remember this happening pretty much as it was described, with networks shifting more or less at random between color schemes for different elections until the 2000 election when it was fixed, apparently for all time, because of the prolonged counting, where it happened to land that cycle.
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I don’t make a practice of taking the mainstream media, or the various “powers that be”, at their word. I’ll have my thoughts and let Almighty God know His own. Peace out.
meltzerboy2 said:
It is part of the culture in the South and the West. A gun is considered a valuable gift to a young man or woman for their birthday. When a friend of mine moved from NYC to Louisiana, he was at first amazed that almost everyone, including women professors he knew from LSU, carried shotguns with them everywhere. It was part of their get-up like a pocketbook. He gradually got used to the idea but it took a while.
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My son and I went hiking in the woods yesterday, and I was carrying my CCW. We’ve had issues with coyotes as well as rabid foxes and raccoons. Never had to, but I’m ready if it ever becomes an issue. Rick Perry dispatched a menacing coyote in that fashion a few years back.
 
I was laid-off due to COVID so I am looking for jobs where I can be close to family.

Most of family live in blue states.

If they lived in red states, it still wouldn’t matter. The main thing is to be close to family.
 
Most of my friends are self-identified Democrats but all of them own guns. They’re avid hunters.
 
1ke said:
And there are plenty of members of both parties where I live.
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Indeed, if you look at the election results state by state, Red vs. Blue is more like shades of purple. In the “reddest” states, a third of voters voted for Biden, and likewise in the “bluest” states, a third of voters voted for Trump. (Washington DC is the singular exception.)

United We Stand.
 
Beryllos said:
Indeed, if you look at the election results state by state, Red vs. Blue is more like shades of purple. In the “reddest” states, a third of voters voted for Biden, and likewise in the “bluest” states, a third of voters voted for Trump. (Washington DC is the singular exception.)
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Actually if you look at the maps of the elections by county usually blue areas in red states overlap with urban areas, while red areas in blue states overlap with rural areas.
See also this

 
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HomeschoolDad said:
at their word. I’ll have my thoughts and let Almighty God know His own. Peace out.
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And peace to you. But you really don’t have to take anyone at their bare word, just remember it as it was unfolding (we are close enough in age I think to have seen the same things). I definitely trust my own memories more than any recent interpretation by unknown parties, especially parties with an agenda (note that I do not include you in that list).
 
Depends on the state. I’ve lived in both. One thing for sure is that I would never live in NY again.
 
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